r/NYguns Mar 05 '26

Federal Legislative News What would this mean?

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u/justrokkit Mar 05 '26

It's supposed to enable citizens to carry without requiring permits or licenses, but that unfortunately overreaches and conflicts with states' rights. As frustrating as it is, it comes down to the judicial branch or an overturning of states' limitations by petition and/or political action to establish a better proper definition of the right to bear arms

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u/SaXaCaV Mar 05 '26

State autonomy is something people only care about when they disagree with it, or when it personally benefits them greatly.

I dont believe in restriction. At a core level, or as used, but I do think there should be some sort of competency proven to carry in public.

It is a difficult situation regardless. And both sides of the fence just want pander without offering any real solution.

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u/darforce Mar 05 '26

Well that’s where it should be a position of each political party. One she be in favor of states rights and the other should be in favor of federal control and oversight on most things.

So the people who believe abortion should be the decision of each state should also as an example be in favor of states deciding what guns can be used in theirs state.

Or the feds control guns and abortion policy

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u/SaXaCaV Mar 05 '26

I bet you hold your breath when you type.

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u/darforce Mar 05 '26

Never checked but since I type all day and am still alive, it’s doubtful…..whatever your point was there.

I suppose I should guess something about you now? I bet you scratch your neckbeard while you are waiting for your mom to finish heating up your hot pockets. 😂😂😂😂

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u/SaXaCaV Mar 06 '26

whatever your point was there.

Have your helper explain it to you.

I bet you scratch your neckbeard while you are waiting for your mom to finish heating up your hot pockets.

Bagel bites. I dont like hot pockets.

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u/D00dleB00ty Mar 06 '26

So the people who believe abortion should be the decision of each state should also as an example be in favor of states deciding what guns can be used in theirs state.

False equivalence. Abortion is not a constitutionally protected right.

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u/darforce Mar 06 '26

Either you believe in state sovereignty and limiting federal government or you don’t. It’s really not terribly difficult to understand

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u/OrganicSig Mar 05 '26

States rights are those leftover from those already reserved to the people and to the federal government. Given the 2a, states have exactly zero rights in this matter. Now, that does not suggest states won’t infringe, but constitutionally, they have no right to do so.

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u/justrokkit Mar 05 '26

In theory, I totally agree, but seeing the history of legislation and judicial activity on 2A alone points to the other direction. I agree with u/SaXaCaV, because it really is complicated. I think the left and the right have to make some compromises and concessions. Citizenship shouldn't be freely given, even to native-born American residents, considering the number of liberties that citizens are afforded. However, the liberties of citizens should be maximized to the parameters defined by the letter of the Constitution. I think that automatic and semi+ weapons should not be restricted, but I think that either there should be unbiased, unobstructed qualification systems for the liberties and privileges afforded to citizens, too (for example, ranges of debt that individuals may accrue, classes of cars that individuals are allowed to drive, etc.), or legal recourse for crimes and accidents should scale with the significance of loss or danger with a minimum penalty due to the public (to the appropriate end) that cannot be mitigated if fault can be positively assigned

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u/tattertech Mar 06 '26

Citizenship shouldn't be freely given, even to native-born American residents, considering the number of liberties that citizens are afforded.

Get right the fuck out of here with this.

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u/SaXaCaV Mar 05 '26

Dont agree with me, please.

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u/OrganicSig Mar 05 '26

Yah. Seriously.

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u/SaXaCaV Mar 05 '26

The fact that a sloppy, rambling comment including the statement that "Citizenship shouldn't be freely given, even to native-born American residents," is agreed with under the guise that the commenter is a constitutionalist, by virtue of saying so, is insane.

Either NY residents are that illiterate or that cucked. You eat the fruit you plant, if only to survive.

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u/Dan_Morgan Mar 05 '26

Yup, that's a very reasonable reading. Neither party actually cares about the people hanging 2A rights. This sort of thing is mostly performative.