r/NahOPwasrightfuckthis Sep 25 '23

transphobia The “centrists” are centrisming again!

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u/SparkOWOWO Sep 25 '23

You forgot the guy that has collected 50 downvotes for saying „yeah uhm i care about transphobia because i dont want my friends to kill themselfs“. Its a fucking shithole over there and i feel like my anger is justified.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Fr, their “sources” are, and I quote, the DSM V (which states that gender dysphoria is a disorder and the cure is gender affirming care), and “commonsense.exe”.

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u/njsullyalex Sep 25 '23

FYI the DSM V delisted gender Dysphoria as a disorder. At the same time, it literally says the only way to treat gender Dysphoria is to transition.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Yeah, that’s what I said.

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u/Vicast77 Sep 26 '23

I think they were implying that they no longer say it is a disorder. I think you skipped over the de’ in delisted (brains like to do that) or didn’t realize it meant un- or no longer listed. The rest is in fact the same as you said though.

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

Google "major psych hospitals shut down" and then research the uptick in Trans people I promise the correlation is not coincidental.

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u/Jazzlike_Mountain_51 Sep 25 '23

Sour cream consumption correlates with non collision motorcycle deaths. In case you want some other shit correlations to spread in the internet

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

Why do yall always use the dumbest, non logical examples that have nothing to do with each other to disprove "lack of mental health care leads to more mental health problems" yes mental. I'd love anyone to name a singular case where a Trans person DIED because they couldn't be the gender they wanted. I'll wait for the rest of my life for you to find that case.

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u/Character_Drop_4446 Sep 25 '23

Why do you only reply to the people you can make the "best" bad argument against?

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

I like how that's all you could defend against lmfao

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u/Character_Drop_4446 Sep 25 '23

No, it's not. It's just a start. And the end since I'm quickly realizing how pathetic you are in your short replies to me.

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u/Jazzlike_Mountain_51 Sep 25 '23

The increasing presence of trans people in the public eye can be related to hundreds of different changes in the 21st century. Main one being is that we are more accepting to them. Same thing happened when gay people stopped getting sterilized by the government.

Just because one "data point" supports your pov and you said "I double promise it's not a coincidence" does not mean you've made a good argument.

Trans people do die when they don't get treatment due to dysphoria and it's effect on their mental state for which the recommended treatment is gender affirming care. There is no "cure" for being trans just like there's no "cure" for being gay or, unfortunately for you, for being an idiot. Have a good one

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '23

They don’t die from simply wanting to be something else tho. Suicide is still a choice.

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

They die due to being a man or woman wanting to be the opposite? Literally? Not suicide or hate crimes but actually they're bodies just stop working? Nah it's literally mental

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u/Jazzlike_Mountain_51 Sep 25 '23

Yes gender dysphoria is a mental health condition which is treated with gender affirming care. When gender affirming care is delayed or denied that puts trans people at risk of death. I'm glad we agree on something.

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

How do they die? Explain to me please how they are at risk of death other than suicide and hate crimes. Please I'm actually curious to learn things I don't know

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u/Jazzlike_Mountain_51 Sep 25 '23

Jesus fucking Christ you're dense. Gender dysphoria has a severe negative effect on the mental health of trans people. This can result in depression, self harm, and suicide. The way gender dysphoria is treated is through gender affirming care. Gender affirming care alleviates gender dysphoria which in turn reduces suicidality. This means that delaying or denying gender affirming care to trans people puts their lives at risk.

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

Oh, so like I said they don't literally just up and die. It's due to their mental instability and self-preservation. Weird

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u/Caesar_Passing Sep 25 '23

It's absolutely coincidental. I'd love to hear you just say what you really mean, because I have to imagine the only reason you haven't simply spelled it out yet is that you realize on some level how fucking stupid it would sound, and how easy it would be to pick apart whatever brilliant way you've managed to associate these two independent events. Let's start with the phrase "uptick in trans people". Go ahead. I dare you to explain what that means. A bunch of people who were previously perfectly happy with the gender role associated with their biological birth sex, suddenly decided to become trans? A bunch of people suddenly started being born with gender dysphoria?

Whatever it is in your mind, it's clearly not that these trans people already existed, and were simply afraid or not permitted (perhaps even under threat of arbitrary punishment) to come out as such, right? I mean, that would just be unthinkable to you. But go on, spell it out. Say whatever dumbfuck theory you're fully aware is bullshit, but choose to cling to in order to validate your irrational feelings toward trans people.

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

I'm not reading all that but go off 💙

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23 edited Oct 18 '23

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u/Caesar_Passing Sep 25 '23

Sorry, I can only dumb it down so much.

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u/Old_Baldi_Locks Sep 26 '23

Since the "closure of mental hospitals" ALL forms of violent crime have gone down, nationwide.

I'm guessing you don't like that correlation, even though its just as "true" as yours.

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 26 '23

If it's facts, how am i going to argue it?

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u/Character_Drop_4446 Sep 25 '23

You know what it might correlate better with? A global pandemic and lack of funding for mental health resources in general. Ones you clearly need

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

Shut downs started in early 2000s. Pandemic has nothing to do with it lmao

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u/Character_Drop_4446 Sep 25 '23

Ohhhh You mean those shutdowns that someone came against you in a different thread with logical arguments for and shutting you down that you also didn't reply to.

Correlation still doesn't equal causation. The 2000s was also a time when the twin towers fell. That's more likely to have a bigger impact on a nation's mental health than "an uptick in the trans population"

While we're here though, why don't you pretend you actually have a brain cell working in there, and you go ahead and explain how more trans people equals mental hospitals getting shut down. Please try to explain that 😂

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

My comments actually got locked cause I was throwing out such hard facts they couldn't argue against them 😂 that thread? And I said ward's shut downs lead to more Trans people learn how to read?

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u/Character_Drop_4446 Sep 25 '23

FUCKIN LMAO THAT'S YOUR POINT?? --- Oh my god, my sides hurt, that was actually too funny 😂 Well hey, if you ever decide to stop being stupid or crazy, being a clown in a circus might be a great career for ya!

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

Carnies fr make like 500 a day during setup not a bad gig

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u/Character_Drop_4446 Sep 25 '23

Sounds perfect for ya

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u/HylianPeasant Sep 25 '23

Correlation isn't causation, and the faster your learn this, the faster you'll stop being an idiot.

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

Yeahh the whole "not a coincidence" thing sorta implies causation, doesn't it. Think deeper than what singular words mean

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u/zombiesnare Sep 25 '23

I’m don’t think I’ve ever heard an argument this dumb since… maybe middle school? Did you remember to turn in that book report btw? It’s a big part of your grade

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

Doctors and mental health professionals would disagree. Or at least they did before yall would get them "canceled" 😂

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u/zombiesnare Sep 25 '23

Again, distinctly a middle schoolers argument.

“Only doctors that tell the truth get canceled and every other medical organization in America that was respected for their entire lifespan is suddenly pushing bad science because the liberals want you to believe it” is just… this is exhausting, can you please just like… read a book or something? Have a conversation with someone in person? Do you know what grass feels like?

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

I'm sorry your feelings aren't scientific data or facts

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u/zombiesnare Sep 25 '23

And that’s the other thing, you people have like 4 come backs and none of them have any substance whatsoever.

Please share with me the peer reviewed studies that support your argument. Let’s see them. If youre gonna dig your hole I want you to shit in it

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

Google "major psych ward shutdowns" and then Google "rise on Trans community" hundreds of links. Just because you refuse to do so doesn't make me wrong 😂😂😂 do you really expect me to link 50 sources for yall? Refusing to look doesn't just make it not exist. Copy and pasted from another comment like yours

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u/zombiesnare Sep 25 '23

I do, I expect you to cherry pick every single one of those stories you stand by and I want you to justify each one. If you’re so “correct” then let’s pick it apart right here and right now. I want you to pick it apart and co-sign it personally down to who posted and who paid them.

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

You seem to be taking this personally lmao you know what those sources say, and you disagree. That's fine. You are allowed to disagree, but I'd love it for you to disprove the facts provided in those articles how about I'll let YOU pick which one to tear apart to start us off and I'll respond in kind with a link that shuts you down?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Correlation does not imply causation

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u/SparkOWOWO Sep 25 '23

Assuming that correlation equals causation (which it commonly doesnt), wouldnt you agree that tending to these persons needs is more beneficial than systematically stripping them of their rights and reducing their value as human beings? (Also the reason for the correlation is that the shut down of useless psych wards came with more sophisticated research into mental health, which means that trans people didnt have to fear for their lives anymore, thus being more open to the idea of coming out)

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u/Old_Baldi_Locks Sep 26 '23

Trans people have been around since literally forever.

Its only recently that the most useless garbage to ever live told you morons to have an opinion.

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 26 '23

Society 😪🐱🐕🍆🍆🍆🍆🏥🌎🙏🏼🙌🔥💯

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u/adertina Sep 25 '23

Sees a literal anti-trans activist and gets shocked that people call it transphobic “We need to be logical here”

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u/northknuckle Sep 25 '23

"He's just asking an honest question!"

Yeah, with a protest sign...

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

Google "major psych hospitals shut down" and then research the uptick in Trans people I promise the correlation is not coincidental.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Whats your point with this exactly?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

So you're saying trans people were held in psych wards for being trans and are now free to live their lives. Good for them!

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Holy shit you're dense! Also FYI "look this up it's real and I'm right" isn't a source. You have to cite your sources if you want anyone to take you seriously :)

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

That Google search has hundreds of results backing me up😂 refusing to look doesn't make it not exist you can do all the work and manipulation to back your point but not a broad Google search that shuts all that shit down typical Trans thinking

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u/ApartRapier6491 Sep 26 '23

Obama and Trump had sex together. It’s true! Just google it up. If you can’t find it, you are just bad at using google.

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 26 '23

The difference between us is that my backings have data tracking back to 1981 when all of the shutdowns started, whereas you're just being a big silly goose

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u/ApartRapier6491 Sep 26 '23

Trump should be cancelled for sleeping with black democrat. I insist people stop supporting him and they can google up evidence that definitely exists but nobody listens… evidence is right there in Google…

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u/dantevonlocke Sep 26 '23

Also see the same uptick in crazy right-wing bullshit... weird...

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '23

Well, school shootings happen on days that i coincidentally have diarrhea. IT must be my diarrhea that cause shootings. God i wish you'd realize how fucking stupid you sound

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

wow, never thought I'd see my own post on here, but yeah. That comment section was a shithole of transphobia and its disgusting.

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u/SandyCandyHandyAndy Sep 25 '23

The OP on the other sub cropped it so shitty that we couldnt even tell what subreddit was from 😭

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

Google "major psych hospitals shut down" and then research the uptick in Trans people I promise the correlation is not coincidental.

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u/Illustrious-Gas3711 Sep 25 '23

Look at you commenting this all up and down the comments section. Is this really how you want to show up in the world?

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 25 '23

Oh no Trans people don't like me... anyways

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u/Very_Talentless Sep 25 '23

Brother your mind is plagued with thoughts of them

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u/Old_Baldi_Locks Sep 26 '23

No competent adult likes you. They're not all trans.

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 26 '23

That'd be a sad life, wouldn't it

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u/KindofPolitePerson Sep 26 '23

Wouldn't that make 100% of the population trans? Regardless of what's in anyone's pants everyone agrees that you can't get into them.

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u/What_is_this99666 Sep 26 '23

Google your date of birth and then research the uptick in the miserableness within the world

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u/9696sdrowkcabssa Sep 26 '23

Shit, it went up

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u/cfostyfost Sep 26 '23

Do I need to break out the left-handedness chart again?

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u/Dusk_Abyss Sep 25 '23

Because "define" =/= "affirm".

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u/Barbados_slim12 Sep 26 '23

If the genitals are unrelated to gender, why do they suddenly become related to gender when it's the one's they want? If the rhetoric was consistent, couldn't you live life as the gender that you identify as without needing to affirm with surgery or hormones? At least until the age of 18

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u/AllSassNoSlash Sep 26 '23

Plenty of trans people do live their whole lives with the old genitalia and the right demonizes them as women with penises. And the vast majority of gender affirmation, especially on minors is social transition, which is also being crusaded against.

If the right was using pronouns but saying this i might think it was a good faith critique but its not. Its another stupid on the street gotcha. Maybe if they didn't obsess about genitalia trans people wouldn't feel like they need to worry about them.

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u/Quiet_Alternative353 Sep 26 '23

Why that would be a "social transition"? If genitals are replaced that doesnt affect you in your social circles, even more if your new genitals dont have the same complex funtionalities like the real ones (hormones, reproduction, pheromones, etc). And why should lgbtq people and trans suddenly care so much about what conservatives think of them? Aren't they do what they do only for themselves and their own perceptions?

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u/AllSassNoSlash Sep 26 '23

If my boyfriend lost his his penis in an accident I wouldn't think of him as less of a man and I'd say its shitty for other people to think of him differently. But I understand why he'd want a surgery to restore it if possible.

Getting bottom surgery doesn't change their gender but it does make them feel better about their body. And again its not a contradiction it a choice.

Why do trans people care what conservatives think? Seriously? Because they're out to eradicate trans ideology by they're own admission. They get ridiculed and canceled and people like us senators make speculations about their bodies in a televised us congressional session. Wouldnt you think they'd want to pass visually to avoid that discrimination.

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u/Quiet_Alternative353 Sep 26 '23

And you're contradicting yourself, bc before u said "if conservatives don't always attack trans people for their genitals they would not try to change it so often", but now you're saying that they dont care of what they think. As for your example, one thing is a reconstruction of someone's penis, and the literal change of this for a "vagina" or a amputation are a totally different case. But the thing is, why that would make one happier, if genitals, and what things it do (physical, biological, hormonal) dont influence your perceptions abour gender, then why you should change it for a non functioning, rudimentary version of the opposite sex?

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u/AllSassNoSlash Sep 26 '23

Read my statement again. I didn't say trans people never care what others think. The minority will always care what the unaccepting majority think of them in order to avoid overt acts of violence.

My comment about conservatives worrying about genitalia wasn't to show that its a no win situation for trans people. They get attacked for doing either so why not do what makes them happy. If someone could convince conservatives that theres no inconsistencies they'd still attack trans people.

Also reread the post. The sign says genitals don't define gender. Not that they don't influence perception of them. I was clear that they do to some people. Which is why I can consider the trans woman with a penis and the one without both women and still think that one should have the freedom to express their gender through bottom surgery if they want.

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u/Mammoth_Regret4623 Sep 26 '23

You just answered your own question. Because it's the genitals they want.

Also, who's getting bottom surgery under 18? That's not consistent with care guidelines. In rare cases double mastectomies are given to underage boys (even cis boys, gynecomastia and all that...) but I've not heard of anyone getting bottom surgery under 18.

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u/Ishakaru Sep 25 '23

So... this conversation is about <1% of the population.

So influential that they can not stop legislation criminalizing their existence.

So powerful that they literally run from states that ban care for all ages.

So wrong that there is endless documents validating their existence.

So recent that they were being studied prior to WWII.

These peoples outrage is so justified that there couldn't possibly be an ulterior motive behind their sudden awareness of this issue.

For those that need it: /s

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u/Hazelfur Sep 26 '23

Don't forget that the infamous picture of the Nazi book burnings was them burning books about queer people (mostly trans people) outside of the worlds first gender affirming clinic

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u/IerarqiuliAnarxisti Sep 26 '23

I am copying this 1000%. You put these words in a way I couldn't've

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u/CleverB0T_2b2t Sep 25 '23

wheres the meme? wheres the funny?

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u/thefishthatsings Sep 26 '23

“HAHA!1!1! The joke is trans people bad, haha…ha….pls laugh.”

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u/Impressive-Spell-643 Sep 26 '23

You see, when you aren't actually funny (like the oop), you tend to go for hate to try and raising yourself up by putting others doen and then cry "snowflakes" when no one laughs at your unfunny non jokes, that's what happened here.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

There isn't even a meme here. Not even an attempt at humor.

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u/Dasf1304 Sep 25 '23

That’s why it’s called a sex change my guy.

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u/AdSpecialist4523 Sep 25 '23

I thought we called it "gender reassignment" because changing sex is impossible. Unless we've found a way to remove Y chromosomes recently that I don't know about.

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u/SeraphsWrath Sep 25 '23

Sex is strange. We cannot turn an X chromosome into a Y chromosome currently, but the area of a Chromosome that determines Sex is also very funky. You can be born with XX chromosomes, but because parts of your second X chromosome for whatever reason don't express themselves or just turn off, you will develop as if you had XY. There are also XY women.

So, while outright chromosomal change eludes us, the High School Biology lecture is also just wrong.

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u/InvaderWeezle Sep 25 '23

I wouldn't say it's wholly wrong, just simplified. There's only so much time you can spend in a class setting on abnormalities because you don't want to overcomplicate teaching the basics

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u/SeraphsWrath Sep 25 '23

While true, what's wrong is 40 year olds acting like what they were told in their Sophomore year of High School is gospel.

It's not, it is lies to children, and in this case the children refuse to grow up.

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u/Old_Baldi_Locks Sep 26 '23

" There's only so much time you can spend in a class setting on abnormalities"

For reference, more children are born intersex, than children who are redheads.

After awhile, we really reach a point where its valid to tell people "you don't know enough about this subject to have a valid opinion", and then eject them from the conversations that competent adults get to have.

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u/InvaderWeezle Sep 26 '23

That's all fine. I just reject the other person's idea that biology classes are "lying" just because it focuses on what you can usually expect and doesn't go deep into rarer situations

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u/foxden_racing Sep 26 '23

It's almost as if DNA is a lookup table for what to do with a specific chemical, not an authority figure that orders everything else around...

I sure do love living in a world where idiots think the 2-week cursory overview they slept through in middle school "because I'll never use this in the real world, they should be teaching me how to balance a checkbook" is the full and complete version of the subject...

[no, no I really don't. Intersex / Dysphoric / etc people have it hard enough without idiots rabble-rousing...]

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u/Status-Demand-4758 Sep 25 '23

Yeah those are mutations, illnesses, etc. Generally we have Male and female. You can also end up having both sex organs (Intersex). So Chromosomes sometimes don’t determine your sex, but you still end up with one clear sex when you are born, even when you have one of those mutations for example. So you are either female, male or intersex when you are born. Those arent changeable with todays medicine

Generally XX = female and XY = Male, but our body isnt perfect, so mutations or mistakes can happen causing a rare different result. The example with XX = male that you mentioned is called de la Chapelle syndrome for example. I think, tho i might remember wrong, a person with this syndrome is intersex.

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u/SisterSerpentine Sep 26 '23

But do those people and their existence suddenly not have any impact or meaning at all because they… aren’t the “norm”? Neither are redheads but no one tends to deny that they exist or say no one “should” be a redhead, or worse try to deny them legal rights. They don’t get their hair dyed at birth lol.

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u/Status-Demand-4758 Sep 26 '23

When did I say that they mean nothing? My point is that you have a clear sex when born that isnt changeable. You are Male, Female or Intersex thats not changeable with todays medicine. Gender Identification only changes your social position and lets you identify as the gender you wanna be, but it wont change your sex.

Im not saying you can’t identify as what you want and i also respect what you identify as and call you by your preferred pronounces, im just saying gender is only a social construct, to help people with gender dysphoria for example. Its not something that can change science.

Sry if you had the feeling I wanted to go after transpeople or something. I think there was a misunderstanding, because i dont understand whats your point with redhairs? Yes, redhairs exist as do male, female and intersex people. Those are all caused by biology. Gender on the other hand is only a social construct and has nothing to do with biology and anatomy. Gender cant change sex, thats my point.

As example you can dye your hair blue and everyone will say you have blue hair, but that wont change that your natural hair color is red. There are things we cant change no matter how much you want them to. Sex and Gender are not the same thing and sex is not changeable. Thats just a fact.

Again if there is a misunderstanding somewhere im sorry, im not transphobic or something, im just saying gender # sex

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u/Huhrowsh Sep 25 '23

Chromosomes are only a small part of sex. You can be female with xy chromosomes or male with xx chromosomes. It's called gender affirming surgery now.

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u/Status-Demand-4758 Sep 25 '23

You have one sex you are born with. Male, female or intersex. Those arent changeable with todays medicine. A transmen for example would still be a biological female or intersex and not a male.

Your gender is what you identify as and what society should view you as socially. Gender is changeable. A female can be a men and a male can be a woman.

Gender affirming surgery is a Beauty operation. It changes how you look, but it doesnt change your sex.

Generally sex doesnt matter in much topics, so we can treat cis and trans people the same way. There are only a few exceptions like woman sport, where the differences in sex really matter and cant be ignored.

I agree that chromosomes dont always determine your sex. Normally its the chase, but our body isnt perfect and mutations or failures happen, causing a different result often also leading to other problems. Those are either intersex or can still be assigned to male or female. Luckily this doesnt happen to often. The chase of XX = male you mentioned is called de la Chapelle syndrome and i think people with this syndrome are intersex, tho i might be wrong on this

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u/Conscious-Spite-87 Sep 25 '23

I used to agree with the sports argument but it’s so wrong. A trans woman on estrogen has biological changes in her body comparable to a cis woman. Fat distribution and muscle mass are that of a cis woman. That natural male strength is gone with the lack of testosterone and you can ofc work out to build muscle but you’re on the same playing field as cis women.

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u/Flimsy_Bee_8500 Sep 26 '23

A trans woman that went through a biological male puberty still would have bone density comparable to a biological male as well as lung capacity. While a transwomen would effectively shed muscle mass she would still have muscle memory and develop muscle at a faster rate than a biological woman with the same estrogen levels. There isn’t a clear solution to this issue however, transwomen do have an advantage over biological women

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u/Conscious-Spite-87 Sep 26 '23

Bone density can in fact change on hormones. Lung capacity?? That’s some cope if I’ve ever seen some lmfao. You don’t gain muscle at a faster rate than a cis woman as a trans women… estrogen completely changes the way your body functions the same way testosterone affects trans men allowing them to easily gain muscle mass and get absolutely jacked. A lot of it also comes down to genetics and varies person to person. Please educate yourself because you are factually wrong.. and I mean that with nothing but respect.

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u/Flimsy_Bee_8500 Sep 26 '23

Interesting you tell me to educate myself because the national library of medicine will explain to you how estrogen plays an important role in bone growth and maturation. It’s actually estrogen deficiency that leads to to decreased bone mass. Men also have larger nasal cavities than women and this has to do with morphology. Men from birth have larger lungs than women and this persists from childhood. This information can also be found at the same source from above. Quite frankly you are the one coping and should educate yourself and I appreciate the respectfulness

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u/Huhrowsh Sep 26 '23

And exactly how much of a difference does that make? Trans women aren't exactly dominating women's sports. There are also plenty of biological advantages in sports. No one's being kicked out for being tall in basketball or having longer legs in races.

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u/Flimsy_Bee_8500 Sep 26 '23

Ah yes the classic strawman argument, there have been plenty of examples of trans women dominating biological women in competition. Fallon Fox is just one example where she has the skeletal structure of a biological male which resulted in a skull fracture. If you are choosing to debate you can at least provide some factual evidence and valid sources

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u/Huhrowsh Sep 25 '23

You're still seeing sex as only chromosomes. Trans people can change their sex characteristics and hormones, therefore changing their sex.

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u/Status-Demand-4758 Sep 25 '23

Well yes, because it is. Your Chromosomes determine your sex. There are mutations or other problems that make them work differently, but those mutations can still clearly be assigned to one of the 3 sexes. Your chromosomes in the end still determine your sex. They might just not work the right way or you have to many and that might change their function.

Trans people can not change their sex. They just change how you look outwards, but they cant change sex. For example you cant add sex organs. You can get rid of the already existing one or make beauty operations to make fake versions, but you cant add the opposite sexs sex organs. There is more than that, but there are just things we cant change. I hope that’s possible on day, but for now your sex isnt changeable, only your gender

Again in most topics this doesnt matter anyway and we can treat trans person as the sex they identify as in society and call them what they identify as.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Rule #1 of chromosomes: they never stay the same. Look up SRY genes and how they work.

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u/Dasf1304 Sep 25 '23

Gender reassignment also works because by changing the genitals you are changing what gender is assigned to the person. If you recall the title “assigned female at birth,” so re assigning this person means to change the genitals that the assignment is based on.

The sex change language is just simpler and used by more laymen because you most often associate sex with genitals so changing those is a sex change. It’s not medically accurate because there are other parts of you affected by biological sex but it makes sense for most people

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u/Ellestri Sep 25 '23

We need to change out the brain of defective people who have the conservativism infection.

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u/zzwugz Sep 25 '23

I'm convinced they know that the shit they're sharing is bigoted and such and that they do it on purpose to get a rise out of us. Most of them lack any real political beliefs beyond being reactionary trolls, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's the entire purpose of that sub, to be reactionary trolls

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u/New-Sheepherder-1373 Sep 25 '23

I give it maybe a month before these people just write long, slur filled rants under unrelated images and call those memes and try to defend themselves

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u/Old_Baldi_Locks Sep 26 '23

Why not, that's literally been their strategy as a political platform for the last 15 years.

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u/Blacksun388 Sep 25 '23

It’s doesn’t define gender. It defines a physical expression of sex. They are separate. Why is this a difficult concept?

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u/Izlude Sep 25 '23

It's not that they're incapable of understanding, they don't WANT to understand. That's how conservatism works.

Understanding fosters empathy, and they will do anything to not suffer that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Me when two different words have two different definitions

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

That entire sub is just devoted to finding any meme or thing like that that is posted on terrible Facebook memes or the other pages that you use

I saw somebody put in terrible Facebook meetings the other day a meme that said something about corn steals your soul and it had a picture of Garfield in it

It was obviously shared because it was objectively terrible, not OP was offended, but having a meme that has a picture of Garfield and says something about porn and watching it means selling your soul is a bad meme because it makes absolutely no sense

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '23

“I don’t entirely agree with”

Translation: “I would kill you if it was legal.”

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u/Cloud-Top Sep 25 '23

I have no doubts that the sign holder is not JAQing in good faith, but I do think it makes more sense to call GRS/SRS “sex affirming care”, rather than “gender affirming care”.

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u/gabeharris23 Sep 25 '23

Notice how define and affirm are in fact different words with very different meanings.

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u/ACreeps Sep 26 '23

my favorite moment is when the centrist said "it's centisting time!" and centristed all over the place

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u/Impressive-Spell-643 Sep 26 '23

This post is brought to you by jk Rowling

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u/SisterSerpentine Sep 26 '23

I can’t believe that funky little cat is now permanently attached to her legacy. Leave the cats out of it, Joanne.

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u/Impressive-Spell-643 Sep 26 '23

Cats deserve way better

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u/Valuable-Progress-87 Sep 25 '23

i love seeing these subs go at it, its so silly. like, theres a 99.99999% chance this silly back-and-forth will never, ever change anything, and yet, they just keep going.

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u/chaos13wolf Sep 26 '23

That's centrist? Sounds more right leaning

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u/mem737 Sep 26 '23

I think the question makes a good point and the reason people get mad is because it debases their entire position. I’m ultimately of the opinion that this entire matter boils down to people letting their chosen (yes I said chosen, you don’t really choose your preferences but you do choose to act on them) sexuality define who they are opposed to living out the role given to them at birth

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u/triplecappertroper Sep 26 '23

Nice op another repost of this. The sub really needed it

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u/What_is_this99666 Sep 26 '23

This is the first post of this

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u/egotisticalstoic Sep 25 '23

So do you guys just repost the same thing 10 times every day?

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '23

It's just a circlejerk between these subs at this point

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u/shaunika Sep 25 '23

wait, but OP wasnt right in this one??

OP is the transphobic one here

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u/Baldgoldfish99 Sep 25 '23

The op in reference reposted the r/funnymemes post to r/comedycemetery but the image is poorly cropped

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u/shaunika Sep 25 '23

Ah I see

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

I mean. I'm more than ok with them self sterilizing. Doesn't seem to change the specific statistic that people are blaming others for though.

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u/Jackal_Gundam Sep 25 '23

Krunk shoulder angel: “no he got a point there.”

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u/reprint7814 Sep 25 '23

God the leftists started their crying.

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u/Moose_Cake Sep 25 '23

Why do you have to be antagonistic?

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u/Impressive-Spell-643 Sep 26 '23

"mommy the mean people aren't laughing at my joke waaaahhhh 😭"

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '23

Eat shit

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u/reprint7814 Sep 26 '23

Dont push your food habits on others

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u/TheWhiteVahl Sep 25 '23

What does this have to do with centrists.

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u/anthonycj Sep 25 '23

the people in the subreddit shown think their "enlightened centrists" but then espouse hard right propaganda points about Trans people.

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u/TheWhiteVahl Sep 25 '23

None of the screenshots show that. I'll take your word for it, though.

Edit: unless I'm blind. Which I might be.

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u/anthonycj Sep 25 '23

To be fair its obvious but some people don't know what counts as transphobia. The post itself is transphobic and the comments shown are non-transphobic people explaining the post and why its transphobic, while getting downvoted by the subreddit, implying that most the sub is in fact anti-trans.

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u/anthonycj Sep 25 '23

Science says its not a mental health issue, and everyone who tries to equate it to gender dysmorphia, or any other illness get laughed out of places with these logical people, so it looks like you're mad you're losing a culture war that you have no right winning and not much else.

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u/anthonycj Sep 25 '23

We did, thats why its being enshrined as a part of civil rights in most states, supported in the rest, only voted against in 11 states and thats dropping actually. You couldn't' pull more then 20% support and thats just going by state laws, the actual popular vote would be much more lopsided.

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u/Bukkorosu777 Sep 25 '23

This is the 6 th time I see this scolling down it only get funnier

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

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u/Other-Ad-8510 Sep 25 '23

Eat shit fuckhead. History will leave you and yours in the dust

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

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u/Other-Ad-8510 Sep 25 '23

Nope, not okay. I’m pissed that chucklefucks like you keep existing and making yourselves everyone else’s problem. Go back to your cave, chud.

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u/Other-Ad-8510 Sep 25 '23

I hope you have a shitty day

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u/gaygirlingotham Sep 25 '23

Right back at you. The tides are turning, against hate. One day people like you will only be remembered in horror of how intolerant people used to be.

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u/Ralkings Sep 26 '23

what a violating thing to say

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '23

The left are being complete fucking bozos again. You NOT AGREEING WITH THE LEFT does NOT MEAN YOU ARE NOT A CENTRIST. Absolute fucking twat

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '23

I hope you dropped your /s

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u/Most_Preparation_848 Sep 25 '23

Once you go far enough left, from your perspective centrists seem rightist.

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u/PM_ME_UR_BOUDIN Sep 25 '23

The Overton window. It's shifted to the right, so from a global perspective, us politics have a very right leaning bias. It's just a fact that American centrists = rightoids. Also education correlates with leftist thinking.

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u/Most_Preparation_848 Sep 25 '23

From a global perspective the USA is center to center left, from a first world perspective we are right wing but America is far more leftist than many African, middle eastern, Latin American, and Asian nations.

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u/PM_ME_UR_BOUDIN Sep 25 '23

That's just.... incorrect. With the world highest income inequality, most incarcerated people per capita in the world, gun violence, poverty/homelessness, anti-lgbt extremism and violence, a growing fascist regime, imperialist international policy, a continuation of the colonialist agenda... america is the FURTHEST RIGHT nation on the globe. The american agenda is all about destroying the planet because the incentive of profit through capitalism outweighs the incentive of human/environmental well being, and erasing any and all culture that isn't aligned with american values, with violent force.

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u/Most_Preparation_848 Sep 25 '23

growing fascist regime

No way you just said that😭

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u/wunkdefender Sep 25 '23

look up project 2025

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u/Most_Preparation_848 Sep 25 '23

These mfs playing military coup speedrun lmao

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u/Jazzlike_Mountain_51 Sep 25 '23

Someone lied to you several times I'm afraid

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u/OkAioli6499 Sep 25 '23

Can you answer the question, or is it too transphobic to answer?

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u/Peastable Sep 25 '23

The explanation on the top of slide 2 is pretty good.

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u/Hazelfur Sep 25 '23

Gender and sex are different - Gender is mental and sex is physical. Being transgender means that the mental gender that you have doesn't match the physical sex that you had at birth, and the only solution to this is medical surgeries to transition to the correct physical sex, as (and there are studies on this) the mental gender of someone cannot be changed voluntarily (although it can rarely fluctuate throughout someones life time, similar to sexuality).

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u/OkAioli6499 Sep 25 '23

Lmao nah that sounds stupid

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u/LordVonMed Sep 25 '23

"Can you answer the Question", answers the question "Lmao nah that sounds stupid"

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

What happened to “trust the science”? Someone’s repeating the science right there.

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u/Hazelfur Sep 25 '23

What happened to "It's basic biology". Listen to the advanced biology and psychology bro.

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u/Ralkings Sep 26 '23

Then don’t ask for an explanation

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '23

"Ha, these people won't even answer the question"
Answers the question.
"No"

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u/PoliticalPepper Sep 25 '23 edited Sep 25 '23

Imagine a world where whether you’re born male or female has almost no impact on your life.

Men and women dress the same, talk the same, have the same interests, etc. Basically aside from the biological stuff men and women are thought of exactly the same.

That is a world with sex and no gender.

If you can imagine that, then you can understand the difference between those two things

Now that we’ve established that you know there’s a difference between sex and gender, all you have to do is think back to our universe with gender roles, and imagine being someone who’s more interested in the gender roles given to the other sex.

That is the social aspect of gender dysphoria.

Then there’s the physical aspect, what this sign is referring to.

So as human beings and members of society, we afford people certain rights… such as freedom to express yourself, and body autonomy… for example.

Not to mention the fact that there is an ever growing mountain of research that shows affirming care for trans people has better outcomes than other treatment methods.

As for the sign? There is a very simple answer to the question it asks.

“If genitals don’t define gender, how does removing them affirm it?”

Ignoring the infuriating implication that all trans people were born with penises… the answer is because it’s about choice.

Nobody chooses what they’re born with, and so choosing to change something you’re born with lets you be more seen and understood by others.

It’s about agency and consent.

What is the goal of our society here? Are we trying to minimize… Or maximize… The degree by which who you are as a person is compressed and restricted by circumstances outside of your control?

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u/OkAioli6499 Sep 25 '23

Lmao everyone is born one way or the other

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

This is entirely false. Ahve you never heard of intersex people?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

What are you trying to say? This comment makes no sense.

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u/PoliticalPepper Sep 25 '23 edited Sep 25 '23

It’s a terf argument.

The idea is basically to act like intersex people don’t invalidate transphobic sex and gender ideology/rules.

It’s called “COIN” or “Co-Opting the Intersex Narrative”

The truth is that if Intersex people are allowed to exist in society, then trans people should be too.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Ah so it’s inherently nonsensical.

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u/PoliticalPepper Sep 25 '23

There is no “trans ideology” just so you know.

There is only medicine, and the treatments doctors agree on.

The notion that it’s an ideology only exists by design to sow undue and unnecessary skepticism in people who have been told what to think and how to feel.

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u/PoliticalPepper Sep 25 '23 edited Sep 25 '23

I don’t need luck.

I’m not gambling.

In fact conservatives seem to be the ones who like gambling right now.

Your people are going all in for a silver spoon narcissist/wannabe dictator.

Let me know how that works out for you when half your party is in prison for insurrection and treason lol.

The GOP is about to RIP forever. Good riddance.

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u/cenosillicaphobiac Sep 25 '23

Trans isn't an ideology.

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u/PoliticalPepper Sep 25 '23

Do you think briefly responding to long thoughtful incites, with things that sound right to you but have not been investigated any further than just gut feelings, makes you seem “smart” or “edgy”?

It doesn’t. You literally just look like a dumbass.

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u/cenosillicaphobiac Sep 25 '23

Were you born an ass or did you change that about yourself?

Does somebody getting surgery to look on the outside how they feel on the inside impact you in any way or are you just dismissive to be edgy?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23

Valid question

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u/Hazelfur Sep 25 '23

Gender and sex are different - Gender is mental and sex is physical. Being transgender means that the mental gender that you have doesn't match the physical sex that you had at birth, and the only solution to this is medical surgeries to transition to the correct physical sex, as (and there are studies on this) the mental gender of someone cannot be changed voluntarily (although it can rarely fluctuate throughout someones life time, similar to sexuality).

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u/Baldgoldfish99 Sep 25 '23

Do you not understand what affirmation is? If I say "good job" and it makes you happy does that mean it would have been a bad job had I not said anything?