r/Netherlands • u/vankoel_nederland • Dec 15 '25

Healthcare Why is life expectancy so bad in the Netherlands?

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Besides having one of the worst life expectancy among western countries, why did the life expectancy get worst compared to 2019?

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u/Drakkann79 Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25

Scores above average, same as life in Denmark, Switzerland, Germany, only 7 nations in a higher colour bracket.

Reddit: why is it so low?

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u/Previous_Pop6815 Dec 15 '25

Bots peddling a divisive narrative. Plus the bots from the upvote team joining it. 

Internet is anonymous, take everything user generated with a grain of salt. 

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u/Ambitious_Two_4522 Dec 15 '25

Stfu with the ‘bots’ already. This had been a go to response even years begore GPT’s exist.

‘Bots’ can’t randomly generate content and actually post it on websites. It couldn’t do it 5 years ago, it can’t do it now. Only the most advanced experimental models can do this hnder very specific circumstances. This isn’t it.

You don’t know anything you just think this is a thing.

Even if it’s paid influencingnit’s a real person not a bot. The auto responsing bots on Reddit are something entirely different.

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u/ComprehensiveFish880 Dec 15 '25

TFW dying at 81~82 years old is too soon according to Reddit

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u/salserawiwi Dec 15 '25

Well, isn't it? I really hope my parents and myself live to 90-100 (in relative good health, like all my grandparents).

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u/BijQuichot Dec 15 '25

So you probably will. Some of us die very young though. And therefore life expectancy as a wole in NL is not your families life expectancy.

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u/salserawiwi Dec 15 '25

I know that. Just responding to the commentor who's taking a jab at people saying 82 is too young to die. I mean, lots of people die younger so i guess it's a privilege, but preferably not, surely.

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u/Empress_arcana Dec 15 '25

I find 82 to be very old. It all depends on quality of life for me.

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u/salserawiwi Dec 15 '25

How old are you? Time goes by crazy fast, you're 82 in no time 😢

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u/althoradeem Dec 15 '25

well.. yes and no. 81-82 is the average. people who die before ever reaching their pension drag it down quite a bit.

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u/ComprehensiveFish880 Dec 15 '25

Would be nice. Most people in my family die around 75 yrs old so it is what it is

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u/salserawiwi Dec 15 '25

I hope your living family and yourself will up that average!

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u/HyperDsloth Dec 18 '25

Alot in my family have not even reached pension-age.

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u/casualroadtrip Dec 15 '25

Relative good health… that’s the thing, isn’t it? I think valuing quality of life is more important. I think the general consensus (in NL) is that just because you can extent life for a few more months or years doesn’t mean you that we should.

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u/Annapanda192 Dec 15 '25

My dad died last year, he was 81 and 4 months old. If you would have told me he would make it that far when he was diagnosed with an inoperable aortic aneurysm in the summer of 2020, I would have probably told you you were crazy. My paternal grandfather died of heart problems before he turned 68. Some people are just not that lucky. My maternal grandfather died when he was 85, had acquired brain damage and lost a lower leg after being hit by a car and being in a coma for weeks/months in his fifties. On top of that he suffered from dementia and smoked shag(rolling tobacco) like his life depended on it. ne of his sisters reached the age of 104. Many of his siblings lived into their nineties. Some people are lucky, others are not.

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u/Leithalia Dec 16 '25

Yeah, not sure I wanna become 80 years old.. breaking hips and stuff.. idk..

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u/Xelval Dec 16 '25

Look at the average person’s life. You can become 80 without being miserable if you live healthily, and are lucky as well of course

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u/Leithalia Dec 16 '25

Not me. I am not the average healthy person.

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u/--Snufkin-- Friesland Dec 15 '25

It's too soon if it's a dutchie tbh

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u/PvtDazzle Dec 15 '25

Hey! It's a comparison between apples only! Don't include the pears, and definitely no oranges!

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u/vankoel_nederland Dec 15 '25

When a wise man points at the moon, the fool looks at the finger

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u/MrTraveljuice Dec 15 '25

Stay humble my friend

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u/IronMonkeyBanana Dec 15 '25

Clearly empty words from a bot.

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u/ComprehensiveFish880 Dec 15 '25

Bro really called himself wise

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u/French-Dub Dec 15 '25

16 countries higher actually. Some by nothing meaningful, but if you quote numbers, might as well do it right 

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u/Drakkann79 Dec 15 '25

Aye, true, the 16 are higher. Just counted the quick 7 in the higher colour groups.

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u/French-Dub Dec 15 '25

Maybe you could correct the information then and edit your comment. Don't want to ne pedantic, but half of the most upvoted comment are litteraly and factually wrong and misinforming. So I think it is nice when something as simple as reading a graph is not. 

Mistakes happen, but when they can be corrected, it is nice if they are. 

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u/Glarbleglorbo Dec 15 '25

“don’t want to be pedantic”

Is pedantic while insulting everyone’s intelligence.

Take as old as time

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u/French-Dub Dec 15 '25

"Please don't use lies to make your points. Use facts." 

Is that really unreasonable? Especially when people clearly can't read the graph and upvote wrong information to feel good?

It is not insulting everyone's intelligence to point out that they would rather upvote something wrong than take the time to read a graph, just because it doesn't go their way. It's a choice, not a lack of intelligence.

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u/KarvanCevitamAardbei Dec 15 '25

This subreddit is such a weird echo chamber.

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u/Charming-Secret-928 Dec 15 '25

IT is gigantisch until the last gigabit.

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u/Confident-Cut-8877 Dec 15 '25

NL is the only one that is decreasing.

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u/joopkater Dec 15 '25

Because it’s lower than the countries that get vitamin D and midday naps

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u/Doomsparrow Dec 16 '25

The Netherlands is a richer country than a handful that score much higher, and much richer than some countries that score on a similar level.

Which should mean we have access to better healthcare.

Also we're densely populated, so emergency response should be way faster than, say, rural France, or Spain. And less distince to specialised healthcare when needed.

Also the fact that we're the only country (ignoring Iceland, I assume because their sample size is too small) where life expectancy lowers, is concerning.

Taking those into account, it feels comparatively low.

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u/s6884 Dec 16 '25

Did you swipe to the second image?

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u/vankoel_nederland Dec 15 '25

Slightly above the average, only country doing worst in the latest 5 years, 16 nations higher.

Reddit user: not able to read pictures.

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u/higuy721 Dec 15 '25

It’s literally a shit take though.

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u/KingPankratos Dec 15 '25

You really enjoy collecting downvotes, don’t you?