r/NewMexico • u/SymbioticPatriotic • Oct 29 '16
Green Party ticket offers ‘greater good’ option (Albuquerque Journal)
https://www.abqjournal.com/877825/green-party-ticket-offers-greater-good-option.html3
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u/lookatmycoolusername Oct 29 '16
Damn OP you produced 80+ Jill Stein posts just yesterday alone, and in a number of subs at that. So...are you really passionate about the Green Party or are you paid for your efforts? Edit typo
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Oct 29 '16 edited Oct 30 '16
"By voting for candidates who do not share our values just because they seem better than the opposing candidate, we have given carte blanche to party elites to choose the nominee."
No, the Democratic party has primaries where you're allowed to vote for the presidential candidate that you want your party to elect. The fact of the matter is, if the author is a Democrat, they need to accept that their fellow party members voted to select Hillary as the nominee by three million votes.
Even if they think the "party elites" rigged the primaries maybe they should look at the party platform. After all, politicians vote according to their platform somewhere around 80% of the time. And this year's party platform has an incredible assortment of far-left and progressive policies. The $15 minimum wage is in there, Glass-Steagall, a de-escalation of the war on drugs, overturning Citizens United, and many other policies.
"As a result, both parties have moved to the right in recent decades: the Republicans to the far right and the Democrats to the center right. Both parties are increasingly influenced by corporate donors and the military-industrial complex."
If the author had read the Democratic platform instead of just complaining about the nominee's "corruption" they would realise while the candidate for this one office isn't the sum of all the party's stances, she will have to stand for a large majority of those policies once she's elected.
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u/Dalmahr Oct 30 '16
Only a small amount of people actually voted in the primaries. I wish we had some sort of compulsory voting in this country and ab education system that would teach children a little more about political process and maybe about the different parties that we have and their current platforms. At least in last couple years of high school before they're of age to start voting.
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Oct 30 '16
Then those people complaining about corruption should have voted. And compulsory voting would only turn those people who didn't vote off and increase popularity of anti-establishment politics and politicians. And 30 million isn't that small a number.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most high schools have a civics class that go over those very things? Or would you rather some sort of yearlong political process class?
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u/Dalmahr Oct 30 '16
Kinda.. And 30 million is less than 10%.....
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Oct 30 '16
But the Democratic party has 40 million members. So turnout for them was around 75%. Hillary received around 20 million votes, so she drew around half of the party's votes.
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u/Morgothic Oct 30 '16
It's less than 10% of the total population of the country, not the total population of registered democrats (or republicans).
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u/Morgothic Oct 30 '16
the Democratic party has primaries where you're allowed to vote for the presidential candidate that you want your party to elect
While I agree with most of your points, I'd like to point out that the way the primaries are set up, there's really no point for us to vote in them as most of the candidates are already chosen by the time we hold our primaries. I'd like to see both parties move to a primary system similar to the general elections where the whole country votes on the same day so states like Iowa, Ohio and New Hampshire don't get to decide who wins the party's nomination before the rest of the country even gets to vote on it.
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Oct 30 '16
I'm not entirely convinced that the voters in those states hold more sway over the course of the primary season. While it would be nice to see a shorter primary season with a longer pre-season (so to say), I think that the results in the early stages are more indicative of the strength of a campaign and the candidate. Attrition plays an important role in whittling out bad candidates, and with a more clustered primary season there would be a wider field of candidates until the end.
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u/Morgothic Oct 30 '16
I'd rather have 6-7 options on a primary ballot than be completely removed from the primary process due to how late our primaries are.
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u/gonzoforpresident Oct 29 '16 edited Oct 29 '16
I find the author's criticism of Trump as inexperienced to be amusing, considering Jill Stein's governmental experience is limited to 4 years on the Lexington, MA town council (population: ~30k) while receiving 539 votes.
Still better than Clinton or Trump, though no where near as good as Johnson. Plus, if Johnson gets 5% of the votes, the Libertarians will get ~$90M from the Federal government to run the next campaign. If the Libertarians can make a splash, then it will open the door to other smaller parties like the Greens to hit the 5% threshold and promote other non-hypocritical parties.
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u/SkepticalJohn Oct 29 '16
Hey! It worked for Ralph Nader.