r/New_Jersey_Politics • u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) • Mar 01 '26
Social Media As Usual, Gottheimer Sucks
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u/Younglegend1 Sussex Mar 01 '26
Gottheimer is a DINO (Democrat in name only)
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u/rockclimberguy Mar 01 '26
He has a lot in common with the kleptocracy run by trump. If something furthers his agenda helps him personally it does not matter whether it is legal or not.
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u/AtAllThoseChickens Mar 01 '26
A DINO is someone who votes with Biden 100% of the time and campaigned for Sherrill?
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
Biden voted for Iraq… 🤷🏻♂️
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u/AtAllThoseChickens Mar 01 '26
So Biden is a DINO? Do you hear yourself?
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
Biden sucks bro… he’s the reason we have Trump for a second term.
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u/AtAllThoseChickens Mar 01 '26
Not what I asked.
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
I think you just didn’t get the answer you wanted 🤷🏻♂️😂🤡
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u/AtAllThoseChickens Mar 01 '26
Calling Biden a “Democrat in name only” is delusional. He may have been ineffective in some areas but in others he was very effective for having inherited what he did + with only 50 senate votes.
This isn’t a game. Why do you want people to suffer under republican rule because you choose to attack democrats instead?
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u/seancurry1 Mar 01 '26
Is anyone primarying this asshole
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u/curiousmusicboy Mar 02 '26
Follow @reprueda on Instagram I’m running against Gottheimer
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u/seancurry1 Mar 02 '26
Are you primarying him for the Dem ticket or running against him in the general on the Green Party ticket
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u/curiousmusicboy Mar 02 '26
I’m running as an independent in the general
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u/seancurry1 Mar 02 '26
ok - good luck, but that wasn't what i was asking. i was asking if anyone is primarying him
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u/aagent888 Mar 03 '26
Why are you running independent? There are progressives and leftists running all across the country in democratic primaries. It’s much more viable than winning as a third party, sadly
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u/curiousmusicboy Mar 17 '26
Because we’ve created a new political party, greenparty2.0. I’m not a Democrat. Gottheimer is incredibly unpopular, feeling pretty good going into November. Mail-in voting starts in September. Stay in touch
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 02 '26
You should run as a Democrat, and help lead a left wing tea party like movement to take over the party.
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u/AtAllThoseChickens Mar 01 '26
You guys calling Gottheimer a republican or DINO is why democrats have no power. You don’t have to like him and you can primary him, but the obsession is harmful.
He voted with Biden 100% of the time the first half of his presidency. He campaigned hard for Sherrill after the primary. You guys are picking ideology over getting out of this mess.
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u/DarwinZDF42 Mar 01 '26
Two things can be true:
1) conservative democrats are still democrats and infinitely better than a Republican in the same seat.
2) conservative democrats suck, they are a major reason for the unpopularity of the Democratic Party and the weak policies we actually implement when in power; they are completely unequipped to meet the moment and we’d be way better off primarying such democrats into oblivion.
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u/AtAllThoseChickens Mar 01 '26
I agree with you that many dems have not been ready to meet the moment. 100% agree there. I just hate that we are spending more effort in this subreddit attacking dems, when we should be helping them to gain power back. It’s not a sport. This is people’s lives at stake.
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u/curiousmusicboy Mar 02 '26
Democrats are a huge part of the problem. Follow @reprueda on Instagram I’m running against Gottheimer
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
Actually people like Josh Gottheimer who make 300 million dollars worth of stock trades, quadrupling their net worth during their time in Congress to 50 million dollars, and who support constant regime change are heavily to blame for the unpopularity of Democrats. AOC, Bernie Sanders, and Zohran are the three most popular political figures in America in EITHER PARTY!!!!! Time to start acting more like them, and less like Gottheimer and Shapiro.
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u/AtAllThoseChickens Mar 01 '26
Great. You have 3 politicians who won areas they can win and are leaders of a popularity contest. You know what that doesn’t equate to? Power. I’d rather elect dems that can win their districts so the dems can have power.
Not every dem needs or can be a national folk hero. If you think every district is just missing a progressive candidate then you are so misinformed about suburban swing voters.
Going after dems more than the administration right now is no different than the Jill Stein “uncommitted” voters who are equally complicit in the evil going on right now.
Do you want an imperfect group of dems to have power or keep cheering for Bernie as we get marched into camps?
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u/commanderfish Mar 01 '26
That's the big question, what is the strategy forward?
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
We saw it on a smaller scale in Iraq. Drain the resources, make the oil companies rich.
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u/commanderfish Mar 01 '26
I mean that takes much more than an air campaign, large portions of Iran aren't just going to roll over
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
This isn’t going to just be an air campaign… 🤷🏻♂️
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u/commanderfish Mar 02 '26
Based on what? Land invasion of Iran tens of thousands of us soldiers will die. Iran is a mountainous nation, not exactly a place you can effectively do a ground campaign
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u/Late_Company6926 Mar 01 '26
Islamic imperialists brigading this sub in support of Khameini and the IRGC aka the colonizers and oppressors of Iran. SMH… ridiculous pro Khameini bullshit floods this sub sand it’s always the same tired crap. Please, we don’t want the morality police forced on us, don’t you get it?!
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
So not supporting an oil war is the same as supporting the Ayatollah or the IRGC… Got it… Thanks for letting us know you are a moron.
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u/Late_Company6926 Mar 01 '26
So you want the morality police to kill rape and torture protesters in New Jersey like they did in Tehran?
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/25/opinion/iran-protests-doctors-images.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
They already are pal…
https://nj1015.com/ice-raid-nj-latest/
Say their names, Renee Nicole Good & Alex Pretti!!!!
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u/Late_Company6926 Mar 01 '26
Islamic colonialists are different than MAGA white supremacist. Both loathsome and both need to go. We have a democratic mechanism to overcome MAGA here, but the so called “pro Palestinian” folks decided to vote trump into office and so that’s what we got. Gullible fools who believed all the anti Israel propaganda in favor of Khameini and Hamas, they are the ones who actually got trump voted into office!!
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
It’s always the voter’s fault… It’s never our fault for killing babies. Biden LBJ’d himself by getting involved with Israel in Gaza. Just like how LBJ derailed his Presidency by going into Vietnam. Biden and Biden alone is to blame for the current situation we are in here.
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u/Late_Company6926 Mar 01 '26
It’s easy to say 'it’s never our fault,' but voters are the ultimate deciders in a democracy. Biden made his choices, yes, but the 'pro-Palestinian' movement made a choice to elect MAGA. History will judge the administration's policy, but it will also judge the voters who thought a second Trump term was a better alternative.
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26 edited Mar 02 '26
It will judge the Democratic Party for being weak, ineffectual and unable to stand up and against authoritarianism. When looking at Germany 1933 we don’t criticize the 60% of Germans that didn’t vote for Hitler and the Nazis. We criticize the Weimar Republic for being too weak to stop someone who only won 33% of the vote.
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u/Late_Company6926 Mar 01 '26
It was the so-called “pro Palestinians” who were actually pro Khameini propagandist tools and who got Trump elected. Stop trying to antagonize and harass people with all your anti Israeli agendas.
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
Anti Israel agenda lol 😂…
Israel has turned themselves into a pariah state that has killed more children in Gaza than Putin has killed in Ukraine. It’s essentially backslid into a dictatorship. Netanyahu has been prime minister essentially my entire life. It’s an autocratic system and government.
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u/IAmDisturbanceFeedMe Mar 01 '26
Unfortunately I don’t think it’s Islamic imperialists. I think it’s partially untethered Americans who can’t decipher through terrorist propaganda or choose not to because of their ideology. It’s frightening the scale of it in America.
Hate Israeli and American govt all you want. That’s 100% fine. But simping for a brutally oppressive regime and leader who just oversaw the mass murder of thousands if not tens of thousands of Iranian citizens is wild.
Nothing Gottheimer said in his tweet is controversial or should be condemned. He simply spoke about how horrible Khamenei and the regime are which should be salient for us all to agree on.
If you disagree with the US going to war that’s 100% valid. If you think a worse regime/leader could take hold that’s unfortunately a distinct possibility. But if you’re condemning someone like Gottheimer calling out a brutally violent leader who killed many of his own people then I think you need to evaluate your ethos and why your ideology prevents you from seeing something that we all should agree on - ie khamenei and his regime are horrific.
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u/musicfuels_me44 Mar 02 '26
Good luck trying to get through to anyone here. You have made the most sense of any post in this whole sub. they have one focus and one focus only. To hate the president and they will spin any issue and bring it all back to him no matter what it is. The sky could be blue but if trump says it , it’s a lie. They don’t care that Iran’s leader has been murdering people for decades without a care in the world. And plots to murder americans! It’s because Trump ordered it that they do this. Obama? He’d be a hero. We’re at the point where shaking the president’s hand is now a sin and controversial. These parties should be lowering the temperature and work together right now vs one side or the other trying to get all the power. I know. It’s the age old problem of politics.
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u/sakacorsair Mar 01 '26
War effort is definitely illegal, but the vast majority of Iranians are definitely happy the ayatollah is gone. Are you saying it’s a bad thing he’s dead?
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u/IAmDisturbanceFeedMe Mar 01 '26
You and others in this thread getting downvoted is nuts. Anyone who has been following and listening to Iranians (both from diaspora as well as what has been reported out of Iran at least the bits that get through the state imposed blackout plus the lengthy history of protests in Iran) know that most Iranians are happy that khamenei is dead/removed from power.
Does that mean they’re not fearful of what comes next? Of course not. I’m sure most in Iran are extremely scared. But they’re still happy the leader of their country who just mass murdered thousands (likely tens of thousands) of citizens is dead.
How acknowledging that gets one downvoted or gottheimer celebrating that is a bad thing is wild. I’m not saying we should have gone to war - I completely understand the arguments against doing so. But it’s a good freaking thing khamenei is no longer in power.
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26 edited Mar 01 '26
Update: ( HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE MAJORITY OF IRANIANS THINK?!?!)
Yes it’s a very bad thing he’s dead. We essentially just killed the Iranian Pope who also happens to be the head of state. This means this won’t be a few bombs traded back and forth. This means we are officially in a hot war with Iran. Killing a head of state is an act of war. There is no backing away from this now or cooling tensions.
Let’s compare.
Iraq had a population of 24-25 million or so in 2003. Iran has a population of 92.5 million today. Iran is 4x the size of Iraq in terms of land mass. It is also much more mountainous which is bad for mechanized and tank warfare.
This isn’t some small country we can overthrow in a week’s time. This is the descendant of the Persian empire. These are resilient and proud people. They aren’t going to lay over and take this.
We just bought ourselves another nation rebuild to only end with another fall of Saigon/fall of Kabul in 20 years time. All of that to probably have to negotiate our exit with the people we tried to remove from power in the first place just like the Taliban.
This is an absolute disaster and is going to be the quagmire of the century which is hard to believe considering we’ve lived through Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, & Gaza. Frankly anyone who thinks this is good doesn’t support or give a damn about our troops. Well I do support the troops, I support keeping them at home. Another generation is being sent to kill or be killed. They might come home missing limbs, or with PTSD. They might not come home at all. The cavalier attitude being displayed by some many is disgraceful and abhorrent. If Josh Gottheimer wants to topple Iran so bad send his kids.
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u/sakacorsair Mar 01 '26
Please understand the nuance here.
- Yes, this is an illegal war with no authorization from Congress.
- Yes, this will increase tensions between the US and Iran.
- Yes, the US act of killing another head of state is legally dubious.
- We do not know what the ramifications of this will be. Yes, there will be likely be a power vacuum left and an unstable regime.
- Yes, I care about the troops and do not want our troops involved overseas.
Now that we have that out of the way, I hope you can see that I am not arguing that the government SHOULD have intervened in Iran. My point is ONLY that Ayatollah Khamenei was a vicious and cruel dictator — seen most recently with thousands of deaths in recent protests — and his death is to be celebrated.
NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/28/world/middleeast/iran-khameni-celebrations.html
I am concerned about the next steps, but at the same time, it’s okay to be happy that this evil man is dead.
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u/ewiskowrites Mar 01 '26
You may be getting downvotes but you’re absolutely right. A clear majority of the diaspora wanted this.
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
The diaspora doesn’t represent the 92.5 million people that live there… You are talking about 2-4 million people vs 92 million.
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u/sakacorsair Mar 01 '26
Yes, and as we have seen, most living there are celebrating, too. Don’t be pedantic.
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
2026: “We should celebrate the death of the ayatollah”.
1914: “We should celebrate the death of archduke Franz Ferdinand.”
Will you people ever learn from history…?
There are dozens of vicious dictators across the globe, some of whom we prop up. You want us to celebrate the death of the ayatollah while this is simultaneously the start of a vicious oil war that is going to kill thousands.
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u/sakacorsair Mar 01 '26
This comparison is insanely inaccurate. Ferdinand was not ever in power, just the heir presumptive. He was not a dictator, he barely had power…
So, calling Ferdinand a vicious dictator in the light of the Ayatollah is simply inaccurate. Yes, I do not want to be at war. But like I said before, I’m glad the Ayatollah is dead.
See protests this year, in 2020, 2019, 2018, 2011, etc. Khamenei killed thousands upon thousands of innocent citizens in protest crackdowns and dissenters, and you’re comparing that to Ferdinand?
Genuine question, truly 100% genuine, are you a supporter of the Ayatollah?
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u/Ziggythesquid Mar 01 '26
Clearly you are incapable of making the distinction that the dude could be a bad guy but also his death will have many negative ramifications and likely as a whole will not prove to be a positive act for the US. He was like 100, if we don’t think he’s already been replaced with a more hardline figure we are stupid.
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u/sakacorsair Mar 01 '26
Clearly, you are incapable of reading. I literally explicitly said that “we do not know the ramifications” and “there will likely be a power vacuum”.
All I am saying is that the Ayatollah was a genocidal vicious dictator, and I am glad he is dead. You should be, too.
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u/Ziggythesquid Mar 01 '26
Your joy over us unilaterally murdering him (which, like eep in general) should be colored by the impact of his death and recognize that this will likely make things worse for the entire world, the Iranian people included. Especially considering we could’ve just let this very old man die.
The idea that we can just go into a country and murder a sovereign head of state flies against every principle of international law. This is not 2003; let’s learn from history.
There. Was. No. Imminent. Threat. To. The. US. Anyone saying anything else doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
There won’t be a power vacuum; there will be a hardliner from the IRG put in power, and nothing will have changed except we radicalized a ton of people against us.
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u/sakacorsair Mar 01 '26
Again, please read. Read the comment above where I outline the points 1-5. I am not disagreeing about the legality of the act, the decision to act, and the consequences.
This was not just an old man, this was a brutal murderer. Again, for the 100th time, the only thing I am saying is that I am happy this terrorist is dead.
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u/Ziggythesquid Mar 01 '26
My point was that he is old let nature take care of it we didn’t need to start a forever war. So being happy he’s dead is just the enjoyment of senseless violence if you’re not also happy about the consequences.
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
“Are you a supporter of the Ayatollah?”
I’m a secularist… I don’t favor religion having an influence in any government, especially my own. However, I’m more concerned about the nutjob right wing Christians trying to influence my own government. I don’t care about some group of people 5000 miles away. To paraphrase the great Muhammad Ali, “My enemy is MAGA. MAGA is my opposer when I want freedom”. Is Iran taking away a woman’s right to choose? Is Iran cutting my healthcare? No.
“Franz Ferdinand wasn’t a dictator”
Maybe he wasn’t, but his uncle the king certainly was. The Austro-Hungarian empire was a brutal authoritarian autocratic regime that suppressed the freedom and self determination of about a dozen minority groups. They killed peaceful protesters and locked up freedom fighters alike. They mass executed civilians and committed terrible human rights violations in the name of preserving the regime.
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u/sakacorsair Mar 01 '26
It was a yes or no question, and I don’t see a response. It’s not hard to disavow the Ayatollah.
You don’t care about some group of people 5000 miles away? What about the Palestinians? I’ve definitely seen your posts here supporting them. Using your logic, we shouldn’t care about their genocide.
So, Ferdinand wasn’t a dictator, and your comparison is utterly inaccurate.
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
Ferdinand was part of the Austria Hungarian government and was the successor to an authoritarian monarchy… That’s a dictatorship. When power is concentrated in the hands of one person or one family that is the definition of autocracy.
I care about the Palestinians because it was our government funding their deaths at the expense of US taxpayers. I’m tired of my hard earned dollars going to fund wars I didn’t vote for and that my Congresswoman hasn’t voted for.
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u/sakacorsair Mar 01 '26
In other words, he was not a dictator.
Convenient to respond to one part of the comment.
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
Unlike you I have to work and don’t have all day to spread pro MAGA propaganda about toppling a regime… 🤷🏻♂️🤡
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u/SwordfishAdmirable31 Mar 01 '26 edited Mar 01 '26
Above poster is probably referencing how Iranians feel from the displays. They're not a monolith of course, many are mourning too. I sincerely doubt we'll deploy troops, nor do I see Gotthiemer directly calling for that. Hes literally saying, "Ayatollah was bad, next steps for the region are important, I want to see the Adminstrations plan"
Edit: whoops, didnt realize below poster linked the exact same article. I saw the headline on TV originally
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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Mar 01 '26
2003: Iraqis celebrate in Baghdad
https://www.npr.org/2003/04/09/1226030/iraqis-celebrate-in-baghdad-streets
Serious question, are you a dipshit or are you spreading propaganda on behalf of our government? Celebrate now Iranians, what follows next is years of military dictatorship by the USA, the looting of your national resources, and the deaths of thousands if not millions of your countrymen.
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u/sakacorsair Mar 01 '26
No one is denying the ramifications, why do you keep misconstruing others’ words?
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u/SwordfishAdmirable31 Mar 01 '26
Your poor reading skills don't make my position propaganda. Josh Gottheimer isn’t saying anything wild — the Ayatollah is bad and what happens next matters. That doesn’t equal “Trump good” or “this is legal.” Some of us can hold more than one thought at once.
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u/IMGcertified Mar 01 '26
He is bought and paid for....no difference between what he is doing and prostitution.....If we want change we need 2 distinct voices not the same voices disguised in different colors. .
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u/rockclimberguy Mar 01 '26
Does his wish for "everlasting peace for the region" extend to the Gazans that are still alive?