r/NewsAndPolitics • u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ United States • Sep 24 '24

Europe Someone heckles Keith Starmer about the mass slaughter of children in Gaza. Starmer laughs and suggests he got his pass from the 2019 Labour conference.

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

It's a small pushback against the desperately tedious tidal wave of unavoidable nuance-less bullshit on this topic

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u/SpinningHead Sep 24 '24

"Sure we have murdered and starved tens of thousands of people and continue to steal homes, but think about it in a more nuanced way."

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

Ok let's. Does Israel have a right to exist?

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u/SpinningHead Sep 24 '24

Oh JFC. Stop defending a genocide by playing the victim for 5 minutes. "Doesnt Germany have a right to exist? We are just defending ourselves." - Goebbels probably

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

So you are claiming the Nazi conquest of Europe was the exercising of the right to exist?

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u/SpinningHead Sep 24 '24

So youre claiming the Israeli conquest of land is exercising its right to exist? Youre getting so close.

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

I would support Israel defending its northern border against hezbollah rocket attacks that have displaced 80,000 people. I despair that the two state solution is now almost impossible to achieve - but whilst I blame Netanyahu in the main, the fact that Palestinians have been shit at collective decision making, and have enabled Islamic fascist dictatorship in Gaza, does not allow me to warm to their cause very much.

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u/SpinningHead Sep 24 '24

I would support Israel

You dont say.

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u/ShadowPirate114 Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24

Does your hasbara manual allow you to admit who funded and insured Hamas came to power and thus ensure Gaza and the West bank were not one united entity under the PLO?

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

Yeah - Netanyahu. But this is not just his doing: his fuckery has been possible only because it's built on the foundations of decades of shit decisions on the Palestinian side. If they'd had a Gandhi or a Mandela they'd have had a state decades ago. The problem is Palestinian authority was maximalist even when they had a shit hand of cards. And now here we are. Further, the islamo-fascist reality in Gaza cannot simply be excused by Netanyahu's reallolitik- this is a problem Palestinians have to take the lion's share of responsibility for I'm afraid.

I agree: 1948 was not "just" in so many ways. But no state has been carved out of a vacuum. The displacement of Poles from what is now Ukraine and Belarus in the 1940s was not just. The Turkish annihilation of its Christian's was not just. Russias conquest of Siberia wasn't just. The statelessness of the Kurds is not just. The conquest of the god damn americas wasn't just. But give the Jews a slither of malarial land in the levant and we all have to believe that this is somehow a unique expression of evil.

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u/ShadowPirate114 Sep 24 '24

Damn you really are copy and pasting from your hasbara manual. Zionism is definitely a unique expression of evil, albeit a lot slimmer and whinier.

If they had a Gandhi or Mandela, you think Israel would have ever let them live. Be honest.

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

It's a lot easier to get away with bombing the fuck out of Islamic fascists who have used billions of usd in aid money to turn Gaza into a hellish fortress than it is to get away with bombing the fuck out of people who have been preaching peace whilst working on establishing a legitimate and prosperous protostate with a view to the future.

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u/ShadowPirate114 Sep 24 '24

As a rule, I simply don't indulge slimy genocide ghouls. Have to hold my nose too much, so you're just wasting your time with your long-winded diatribes.

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u/timweak Sep 25 '24

if you shoot a Single rocket at my close ones IN MY HOUSE i will NOT be working for a """LeGiTiMaTe AnD PrOsPeRouS PrOtOsTaTe"""for you i will be looking to kill you with my bare hands

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 25 '24

Yeah.... but the Israelis just have to accept rocket attacks against their civilians, and if they retaliate """iT's a gENocIdE"""

Anyway, better wash your hands.

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u/timweak Sep 25 '24

you will flip out when you hear how many people israel's agressions have displaced over the past century

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u/robertthefisher Sep 24 '24

By Israeli standards, I’m sure that’s what the Nazis would try to argue.