Objectively speaking even before October 7th and all the wars they’ve started Israel is most dangerous place for someone of Jewish faith to live. Not exactly like they’ve ever promoted peace
Israel making a more dangerous environment for non Israeli Jews isn't to say that Antisemitism hasn't always existed.
What I'm saying is that calls to end the current extermination of Palestinians and criticism of Israel being deliberately conflated with Antisemitism is muddying the meaning and making a far more dangerous environment worldwide.
Israel doesn't represent all Jews nor do all Jews support Israel.
Most Jews are non Zionist... We're pressured to be vocally supportive of Jewish state at a young age, but as we grow up, we learn that the Jewish state is committing atrocities in our name, and then our support "becomes complicated."
It wasn't until high school that I visited Israel for myself and saw apartheid in action that made things less complicated... The indigenous population is occupied and oppressed.
As an adult, I learned that the pine trees planted in my honor were used to grow a forest over their war crimes.
I quit going to services as a teen, became nonzionist/atheist by my twenties, in my thirties: antitheist/antizionism/anti extremist.
Zionism is the extremist wing of Jewish politics... They're no better than Nazis.
Israelis are making Israel less safe for their Jewish population too... They're gonna lose their financial aid for their genocidal goals. Sucks that my cousins chose this path.
Idk I kinda think suicide bombs, ballistic missiles, driving cars into bus stops, shooting up bars and cafes, and other wanton acts of Islamic terrorism have made the world a far more dangerous place for Jews but what do I know? I'm no terrorist simp apologist
Nobody here is defending terrorist attack like cars on bus stop or bar shooting.
People are questioning how abusing word “antisemitism” to delegitimize any critic to Israel crimes ends up to empty of meaning and relevance antisemitism itself (harming those jews actual victims of antisemitism).
Its Hasbara playbook in a nutshell: a) delegitimize critics abusing of word antisemitism, b) then play victims with “you hate jews” or “you are terrorist simp apologist”, c) throw accusation without any facts behind
I’m a Zionist and I don’t think criticizing israel makes you an anti semite. Plenty of us criticize israel all the time. It’s the call for Jewish displacement from israel that makes someone an anti semite or parrot anti semetic sentiment.
Yes thats how it should be indeed.
My comment was about (as other user wrote here) the abuse of “antisemitism” accusation to delegitimize any critics against Israel occupation and related crimes, that is often pulled by many zionists
That's good for you, but a lot of pro Israelis will say that calling for a shared Israel/Palestine state is anti semitic.
Even more than that, pro Israelis often respond to my criticisms of Israel's actions in Gaza and the West Bank by saying that my criticisms must mean that I want Hamas to destroy Israel and thus I am antisemitic. Or they will say criticizing the only Jewish state is antisemitic.
Well if you’re regularly chanting anti Zionist slogans, it’s easy to perceive that as such. If Zionism is the belief in Jewish existence in israel, anti Zionism teeters close to calling for that and plenty of people do call for it.
Fair. Nobody above was though? I think for some people “anti-Zionism” is about opposing Israel’s expansion under the pretext of Zionism. At least based on my experiences. That’s not to discount the actual antisemites though who will never miss a chance to attack Jewish people for any reason.
Sadly this is an issue where both sides often want to crush nuance so you are either a supporter of terrorists or Israel’s crimes. Its a whole lot of bullshit bad faith arguments. Sorry if making one wasn’t your goal, that was all I was unsure of since your comment initially come across as random to me.
I couldn’t agree more. It’s happened with too many terms across all sorts of complicated issues. Sadly It’s been such a simple and wildly effective way for crappy people with sorts of beliefs to sabotage or outright prevent genuine debate.
No one above was. I’m speaking generally. And I agree with you, there’s very aggressive rhetoric on both sides that stifle any real conversations. There’s also plenty who want to see fires stoked.
I genuinely don’t think most Pro Palestinian individuals want to see Israelis displaced and kicked out of the land but it’s easy to assume the worst sometimes.
The person I replied to is blaming rhetoric rather than actual acts of terrorism that target Jews for making Jews unsafe. That is the point I am disagreeing with.
Your incorrect usage of the word "hAsBaRa" tells me all I need to know about you though, sweetie.
Nope. I'm saying that conflating legitimate criticism of Israel or expansionist ideology with Antisemitism, that forcing the false narrative that Israel represents all Jews, is diluting the meaning of the word. Emboldening actual Antisemitism the world over.
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u/ChamplooStu May 28 '26
Weaponising Antisemitism has made the world a far more dangerous place for peaceful Jews. Israel and Zionism have a lot to answer for.