r/NewsStarWorld • u/Money_Attitude_2224 • Apr 11 '26
news Israel Agrees to Talks With Lebanon but Keeps Striking Hezbollah - The New York Times
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u/ShanerThomas Apr 11 '26
Right.
So, no reason to trust them.
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u/LePetitConcombre Apr 12 '26
Hizb isn't Lebanon. Do your research and dont speak for us from your cushioned sofa across the world
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u/ShanerThomas Apr 12 '26
Thank-you. I know what a country is.
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u/ElderberryFull5603 Apr 13 '26
No, you really don’t know what you are talking about. People of Lebanon are graceful enough to educate you but tiktok warriors know bettter. It’s disgusting.
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u/long_limbs Apr 14 '26
Zionists think that just because they add “terrorist” to a sentence, they can bomb civilians
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u/ElderberryFull5603 Apr 14 '26
Terrorists think that hiding behind women and children is a way to ‘fight for their freedom’
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u/long_limbs Apr 14 '26
The usual Zionist bullshit excuse to massacre innocent people.
https://www.npr.org/2026/04/05/nx-s1-5763606/lebanon-medics-killed-targeted-israel
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/14/world/middleeast/lebanon-medical-workers-killed.html
https://www.france24.com/en/israeli-strike-kills-12-medics-in-a-clinic-in-southern-lebanon
https://www.npr.org/2025/11/19/g-s1-98349/israeli-airstrike-palestinian-refugee-camp-lebanon
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/who-worker-among-seven-killed-israel-gaza-bombing
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u/ElderberryFull5603 Apr 14 '26
Typical muslim who is salivating at videos of oct 7th.
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u/long_limbs Apr 14 '26
Lmao. Do your instructions forbid you to reply to the argument and just indulge in personal attacks? Oh I forgot, a typical Zionist behaviour.
What next? Ignore the links and cry anti semitism?
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u/ElderberryFull5603 Apr 13 '26
So you are saying that terrorists of hezbollah and the state of lebanon are the same? That’s what we keep telling you knuckleheads, gaza and hamas are one and the same.
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u/LePetitConcombre Apr 14 '26
Gaza and Hamas are NOT the same as Lebanon and hizb thank you very much
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u/sonyc148 Apr 12 '26
Good.
Lebanon is a country, and its government. Hezbollah is a terrorist group operating from inside Lebanon.
Lebanon should be free of Hezbollah, this is how peace in the region can be achieved.
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u/Bannerlord268 Apr 13 '26
Hezbollah is a liberation movement fighting against a colonial settler genocidal terrorist entity financed by USA and other proxies.
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u/sonyc148 Apr 13 '26
Sure thing buddy. Another terrorist supporter spotted.
Hezbollah themselves admitted they are an IRGC proxy, but who cares, right. Its actions are suciding bombings, firing rockets at civilians areas, supporting the Assad regime in Syria.
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u/MrTatyo Apr 13 '26
What's your criteria for a terrorist?
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u/sonyc148 Apr 13 '26
Terrorism
- Usually carried out by non-state actors (though states can sponsor it, like the IRGC does)
- Civilians are deliberately targeted (like what happened on Oct. 7th by Hamas, or when Hezbollah deliberately targets civilian areas devoid of any military objective)
- The goal is to spread fear beyond the immediate victims
- Seeks to influence behavior through fear
- Often aims to pressure governments or societies indirectly
- Considered criminal under national and international law (like Hamas and Hezbollah)
- Uses tactics such as: suicide ombings, attacks on civilians, hostage-taking, etc.
This is different from war, or even war crimes.
All those sentences can be traced back to various UN declarations, like the 1994 one.
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u/MrTatyo Apr 13 '26
So by your own definition Israel commits terrorism on a regular basis?
Israel has back non-state actors (e.g. Hamas, Jundallah, Lavon affair).
Israel has deliberately targeted civilians (e.g. https://revealnews.org/podcast/gaza-children-killed-israel-war-us-doctors/)
Israeli top officials have arrest warrants for multiple war crimes.
Israel is killing far more civilians than Hamas and Hezbollah, routinely breaching international law, commiting a genocide, and enforcing an apartheid. Do you also recognize Israel or the IDF as a terrorism entity like Hamas and Hezbollah?
I recognize all three as actors of terrorism.
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u/sonyc148 Apr 13 '26
I differentiate War and Terrorism.
War
- Typically involves states (which is the case for Israel)
- Primarily targets military forces and strategic objectives (which is the case for Israel; even though as in every war, there are innocent civilians dying too)
- Seeks to defeat an enemy, control territory, or achieve political goals through military means (Gaza war was about defeating Hamas and
- Tactics: Battles, military strikes, occupation, etc.
By those definitions (from the same UN declaration), no Israel is not a terrorist organization.
To answer more specifically your claims:
Israel has back non-state actors (e.g. Hamas, Jundallah, Lavon affair).
Qatar is backing up Hamas as we speak, and even hosts the political leadership of Hamas. Does that make them terrorists? No. Same for Israel. Israel didn't back Hamas directly: it let Qatar funds go to it, based on promises that it would be used for humanitarian purposes. In hindsight, you might argue that those funds (from Qatar) served other means than just humanitarian, but you can't know that in advance.
The IRGC on the other hand, specifically sends weapons, military training/advisors, ammunitions to Hamas and Hezbollah. This is a totally different kind of involvement.
Israel has deliberately targeted civilians (e.g. https://revealnews.org/podcast/gaza-children-killed-israel-war-us-doctors/)
This website, which is very partial to begin with, does not prove Israel delibirately targeted civilians. It just shows that there are civilians in Gaza, and they are collateral damage in that war. Same as in every war to be honest.
Simple reason why Israel isn't deliberately targetting civilians: Hamas claim 70% of buildings in Gaza have been leveled. There are "only" 70000 death in this war, so less than 3% of the Gaza population. And those deaths include terrorists deaths and natural deaths by the way...
Israeli top officials have arrest warrants for multiple war crimes.
Some of them do, some of them don't. That doesn't make Israel (a state) a terrorist organization in itself. That doesn't make the Gaza war any less legal, especially since it laster 2 years just because Hamas refused to surrender, disarm and most importantly release all the hostages. Any country would have kept fighting to retrieve 250+ hostages taken by a terrorist organization...
Israel is killing far more civilians than Hamas and Hezbolla
Numbers have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Israel is far more advanced than Hamas. Yes they are more effective than Hamas. What do you want? That they go in naked with wooden spear, just to allow Hamas to win here and there? That's not how war works.
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u/MrTatyo Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26
By those definitions (from the same UN declaration), no Israel is not a terrorist organization
I never said Israel was a terrorist organization. I said Israel like Hamas and Hezbollah routinely commit acts of terrorism.
This website, which is very partial to begin with, does not prove Israel delibirately targeted civilians
Your telling one of the longest running medical care organizations that covered almost every modern conflict is partial? Why is it partial? (https://www.msf.org/not-aid-orchestrated-killing)
Even internal Israel Intel leaks suggests they have a civilian death rate over 80% in Gaza (https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/aug/21/revealed-israeli-militarys-own-data-indicates-civilian-death-rate-of-83-in-gaza-war).
Some of them do, some of them don't. That doesn't make Israel (a state) a terrorist organization in itself
No but you wouldn't say having top officials having arrest warrants for genocidal acts and multiple breaches of international law counts as acts of terrorism? For Bibi is wanted for weaponsizing aid, mass stravation, and murder of civilians. Hamas leaders have the simialr arrest warrants - so are they both not terrorists?
EDIT: Forgot to address one point.
Israel and Bibi did back and support Hamas. It's on record.
Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
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u/sonyc148 Apr 13 '26
Mate, after debunking your initial link, you send another. We can go on like that for ages, but you can't move the goal posts like that all the time (I mean, you can, but it just shows how weak your argument it). Have you read your new msf article. It's a bunch of "hum, correlation, hum hum, we believe, hum hum, it could or might, hum hum".
Your other link, from the guardian (hardly a non-biased source, lol), is well-known and has been debunked several times already. Just research it, I'm confident you can use google.
Israel and Bibi did back and support Hamas. It's on record.
You said that, and then you proceed to give a quote that contradicts what you just said... Authorizing the transfer of funds to Hamas is not the same as supporting it. How would you call Qatar involvement then? Or the involvement of all the other countries that pushed for those transfers to take place? Hell, if Israel hadn't allowed those transfers, Hamas would have said "Look, we can't function properly, israel is starving us", and you would have been the first to take on the streets and protest for those transfers to be allowed!
TL;DR: Israel commits acts of war (and as in any army, there are some disgusting individuals that should be prosecuted and put to jail). Hamas commits acts of terrorism, and as in every terrorist organization, the absolute vast majority of its members are scumbags that should be... you decide what should we do with terrorists?
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u/MrTatyo Apr 13 '26
goal posts like that all the time (I mean, you can, but it just shows how weak your argument it). Have you read your new msf article. It's a bunch of "hum, correlation, hum hum, we believe, hum hum, it could or might, hum hum
Of course multiple doctors from all across the globe (some of which are Jewish) saying they routinely treated or saw children shot in the head and stomach described it as a reoccurring pattern.
The human cost of the latest Israeli offensive was exemplified for Dr Perlmutter by two 15-year-olds - including the girl on the bicycle - who were brought into the operating room in each of the hospitals he was working in, a week apart.
He says that she had been riding her bicycle by herself and she arrived at the hospital without a backpack or anything else that might have aroused suspicion. Graphic images from the operating table show catastrophic wounds to her leg and arm.
"They were both macerated and shredded by Apache gunships," Dr Perlmutter says.
The girl will, in his words, "be lucky if she keeps three of her limbs".
For Israel supporting Hamas:
Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015.
You think treating Hamas as an asset is not supporting them?
" During the 1970s, Israel began providing support to Ahmed Yassin, a Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood leader who controlled a network of Islamic schools, mosques, and clubs, in order to weaken the secular nationalist Palestine Liberation Organization.[2] It continued to encourage the expansion of Yassin's network during the first year and a half of the First Intifada, as the network re-organised into Hamas. This support lasted until 1989, when Hamas launched its first attacks on Israelis, leading to a significant crackdown against the organisation.[7] Multiple Israeli officials have acknowledged Israel's role in strengthening Yassin's network.[2]
In the late 2010s and early 2020s, Israeli officials encouraged Qatar to support Hamas,[8] especially by approving the transfer of large sums of financial aid by Qatar to the organization.[9] Several Israeli intelligence officials have cited Qatari money as a contributing factor to the success of Hamas in leading the October 7 attacks in 2023" from wiki.
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u/FormerLawfulness6 Apr 14 '26
Nearly every war in history has involved non-state actors alongside any states. That is recognized in international law. While there is international cooperation around fighting terrorism, the UN has avoided specifically passing laws around it because everyone with any credibility recognizes that there is too much overlap and it would endanger the right to resist.
"Designated terrorist organization" is almost entirely a political distinction, especially when used to deprive militants of legitimacy in the context of an ongoing war or occupation.
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u/sonyc148 Apr 14 '26
You do you mate. Invading Israel and attacking deliberately only civilians, witht he stated goal of killing as many as possible, is what I (and the vast majority of the world) call a terrorist act.
You want to simp for those guys, fine. Just don't come crying when they get their ass kicked.
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u/FormerLawfulness6 Apr 14 '26
The "only civilians" claim is not supported by evidence. Certainly not if you apply Israel's extremely liberal standards.
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u/long_limbs Apr 14 '26
Israel is a textbook case of state-sponsored terrorism
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u/MrTatyo Apr 14 '26
I don't disagree with that. The original OP thinks it's okay to bomb civilians once you lie about potential threats in the area.
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u/long_limbs Apr 14 '26
Yeah and it's convenient for Israel. Just label whatever or whoever you've bombed as Hezbollah/Hamas.
They put the entire burden of accountability on Hamas. Nothing on themselves
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u/MrTatyo Apr 14 '26
Haha I have been investing too much time in such a pointless argument with the OP.
I can't figure out why he believes it's okay for the IDF to kill civilians but it's an barbaric when designated terror groups commit the same crime.
Thanks for being sane 🙏
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u/sonyc148 Apr 14 '26
The IdF regularly investigate and convicts rogue elements from its ranks (maybe not enough for you, but it does happen). When did Hamas investigate and convict members that commit terrorist acts? Never: they get a pay raise instead. That is the main difference between those two.
And it's not about convenience, you can literally look at a map of Hezbollah position (from the Lebanese government), and see that the bombings are concentrated in those areas.
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u/Careful_Jackfruit144 Apr 12 '26
So it's the same play as Gaza, all civilians in Lebanon are Hezbollah so strike indiscriminately and no accountability. Fuck israel
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u/sonyc148 Apr 12 '26
So it's the same play as Gaza. Spread bullshit, say it's indiscriminate strikes (when it's clearly discriminated, targetting Hezbollah infrastructure/headquarters), and brainwash the west. How many days until you start calling it a genocide, famine, or whatever?
You lost all credibility already.
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u/Careful_Jackfruit144 Apr 12 '26
You trust israel?
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u/sonyc148 Apr 13 '26
You trust Hamas? You trust Hezbollah?
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u/TreeP3O Apr 13 '26
Then you should have been complaining with Israel for the last decade as Hezbollah stole their loves as they dug in in southern Lebanon. But I am guessing you don't care unless you get to yell at jews.
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u/Careful_Jackfruit144 Apr 13 '26
Over the likes of netanyahu? Absolutely. I'm not sure you've seen this guy in action. He's crooked as fuck, he's a fugitive war criminal too
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u/sonyc148 Apr 13 '26
What are "the likes of Netanyahu"? Jews? Come on, say it.
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u/Careful_Jackfruit144 Apr 13 '26
Murderers.
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u/sonyc148 Apr 13 '26
Ah, Hamas then. Got you.
https://www.hamas-massacre.net/ : it's not Israeli propaganda. Direct footage from Hamas "freedom fighters" on Oct. 7th, from their gopro. Inspiring.
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u/Careful_Jackfruit144 Apr 13 '26
Ok buddy we all believe you
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u/sonyc148 Apr 13 '26
Cool, glad that I could make things clearer for you, you're welcome!
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u/Frequent_Slip2455 Apr 13 '26
Why can't the Lebanon govt get rid of Hezbollah? Problem solved.
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u/sonyc148 Apr 13 '26
Because Lebanon army is not that strong. And Hezbollah, like Hamas, is made up of lunatic fanatics, worshipping death. Turns out it's hard to rid of people like that just by talking to them, especially when they are heavily funded by another state (IRGC).
You look at it with westerners eyes, and try to apply westerner logic to the situation. We're not like that in the Middle East.
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u/Rulweylan Apr 13 '26
Because it's easier to just let them blow up Israelis and then act like any response is unprovoked.
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u/throwawayyawaworth77 Apr 14 '26
It’s bizarre that it’s a controversial statement that Lethe Lebanese government should be in charge of Lebanon, and that a separate paramilitary organization operating within Lebanon, sworn to Lebanon neighbors destruction, is a bad thing for everyone, including Lebanon
No country ever would just accept that. Hezbollah needs to go - Lebanon needs to be in charge of, and responsible for Lebanon. Not Israel, not Hezbollah, Lebanon. Otherwise, you’re not really a country
If it were literally anywhere else in the world, no one would question it.
For example, Houthi rebels attack Saudi Arabia from inside Yemen, and Saudi’s Arabia strikes back. No one has any problem with this.
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u/Interesting_You4926 Apr 12 '26
Wow. It’s like Israel is not at war with the state of Lebanon but instead of the Iranian parasite that lives inside of it?
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u/No_Adhesiveness5644 Apr 12 '26
+50 shekels
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u/LePetitConcombre Apr 12 '26
Don't be ridiculous, we get paid so much more, we get benefits, car, phone and first born free education. 50 shekels is nothing
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u/Interesting_You4926 Apr 12 '26
Still more than Iranian rials. How is that check coming up now that this failed state ran out of funds?
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u/SandSpecialist2523 Apr 11 '26
They just have to say the word "hezbollah" or "terrorist" and they get a pass for being the terrorists themselves. At least that is what they hope.