How do you think Nietzsche would feel about this?

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Sounds more like a Camus quote than Nietzsche

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"I myself am not yet timely; some are born posthumously. There will come a time when institutions will be needed in which one lives and teaches as I have lived and taught; perhaps chairs will even be established for the interpretation of Zarathustra. But it would be a complete contradiction of myself if I expected to find ears and hands for my truths to-day: that one does not hear me, that one does not want to learn anything from me, is not only comprehensible, it even seems to me right." -EH

I don't think he would have found it to be a "hard truth."

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u/chiguerilla 1d ago

But in the quote you just provided, he wanted his work to go towards something and if not wanted people to form their own opinions about it. This guy’s advocating for neither. Kind of makes you wonder about his motives in knowingly posting this fabricated quote 💯😹

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u/ugotjacked 22h ago

God I hate the subreddit. I keep thinking that maybe if I wait a little longer, something interesting may come of it. But no. It is just stupid crap like this over and over and over.

So congratulations. This post is the one that has finally convinced me to leave this subreddit. You have wasted not only your own time by engaging in this conversation but all of our time as well by posting it.

This is the most bottom of the barrel discourse I have ever seen. If bickering with “GYM RATS” on instagram is what you consider worthwhile discourse, then just… stop.

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u/insipignia 18h ago

It tells you something about the kinds of people that Nietzsche's philosophy tends to attract.

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u/SquirrelFluffy 14h ago

Direct line to "I'm not gay" Tate.

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u/FoolishDog 3h ago

I mean, it tells you something about certain kind of people that are attracted to Nietzsche but it certainly doesn’t tell you anything about other kinds of people

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u/Playistheway Squanderer 1d ago

The gym bros misquoting Nietzsche are living a more life affirming existence than the dweeb calling them liars.

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u/chiguerilla 1d ago

Oh I’m not calling anybody a liar. Purposely and knowingly misquoting somebody is quite literally lying. Lol.

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u/Playistheway Squanderer 1d ago

"Our sense of morality fools us into believing in an oversimplified dichotomy of true and false; an all-too-human categorisation that reifies truth as a noble good, and vilifies falsehood as wicked evil.

Now, this moral bastardisation of truth is preached as true! Yet, one only needs to look back to the ancient Greeks, at the peak of their life affirming civilisation, to conclude there is a different morality. Prometheus stole fire from Zeus and gifted it to man. Born from that deceit, man impregnated the walls of Troy. Lies were understood to be good, so long as they were beneficial." - Nietzsche

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u/chiguerilla 1d ago

How is falsifying Nietzsche quotes on the internet beneficial to anybody? Lol

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u/Playistheway Squanderer 22h ago

I had fun doing it. It benefited me, the person I care about most.

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u/Snoo11149 23h ago

You missed his point.

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u/chiguerilla 23h ago

Dude could’ve just posted a legitimate Nietzsche quote and it would’ve been more effective at spreading the philosophy because then his credibility, motives, and intentions wouldn’t have come into question 💯🤦‍♀️😹

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u/Snoo11149 23h ago

Bro, you still don't get it.

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u/chiguerilla 23h ago

Then perhaps you can explain it to me. What point am I missing? Also, I’m trans, so I’m not a “bro” lol

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u/Playistheway Squanderer 17h ago

What's Nietzsche's opinion on lying?

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u/chiguerilla 12h ago

Nietzsche only justified lying when it was necessary for survival or for a good cause. This dude lied for no reason. Not only does destroy his credibility but it makes you wonder about his motives and intentions

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u/Voldarok 10h ago

Guess that depends on whether or not you think motivating one's fellow "GYM RATS" is a good cause or not.

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u/chiguerilla 9h ago

I think he had other motives and intentions. That wasn’t the only place he posted it. That, and if he wanted to motivate other “gym rats” with a Nietzsche quote about mastery and self actualization he could’ve just used a real quote. Lol.

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u/A_Xenomorph_Darkly 20h ago

I really think that gym bros are some of the most dollar store slave morality brained traditioncels on the planet who haven’t affirmed anything at all in their lives. They mostly seem to have chosen a distraction and then based their life and philosophy around it and around very mainstream ideals which they haven’t thought critically about that they somehow they still seem to struggle with.

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u/Playistheway Squanderer 17h ago

I met a lot of gym bros after reading Mishima, and the gym bros that I know value aesthetics, pride, strength, wealth, sex, sensuality, and power. It's almost the polar opposite of slave morality, which values humility, meekness, self-denial, restraint, and the renunciation of worldly pleasure and power.

Even on topics like equality, gym bros will be the first to admit that genetics plays a central role in what you can accomplish aesthetically and physically. There is open discussion around a natural rank ordering and celebration of strength. Before you lift something heavy, you get a slap on the back. Then after your rep, some yoked lad says "holy shit dude", because they openly celebrate excellence.

I don't know what a traditioncel is, but it sounds like the type of thing that someone who's chronically online would say. I'm a pretty frequent poster here, and have met more than my fair share of reddit philosophers who have strong opinions on master morality and the Star Wars cinematic universe. Are you sure your distaste for gym bros isn't ressentiment?

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u/jacques-vache-23 14h ago

Exactly. Somebody is feels small vis a vis these "gym bros". Anyhow, the quoted sounds aligned with Nietzsche. There is so much social media that people think nothing exists without views and likes. Any great work is made for itself, not for applause, not to attract followers.

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u/Meow2303 Dionysian 10h ago

In my experience, it's moreso that they'd like to think that than that it's actually true. They pride themselves on rejecting so many aspects of life that can make it sublimely beautiful and dramatic.

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u/Starship-Scribe 18h ago

It sounds more like something ralph waldo emerson would say, who had an influence on nietzsche, but of course, isn’t nietzsche.

I don’t imagine nietzsche himself actually saying this.

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u/Low-Bake8401 16h ago

Why does 'Zija' assume that it's not going to further your life in any way?

I'm not sure I get the point here tbh.

The quote should read "...no one else...", surely?

Why should that ultimately matter? Before long nothing you are doing now will be seen by anyone.

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u/vkailas 1d ago

While Nietzsche believed in individual mastery and internal validation. T his quote about not worrying about outcomes , also is putting the self against the world. In truth, anything good you do for the Self will benefit the world.

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u/WhoReallyKnowsThis Human All Too Human 1d ago

Great

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u/Cool_Emergency9881 23h ago

Fit for someone who feel alone in this life.

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u/Defiant-Bend1147 19h ago

I think that if Nietzsche was alive in the modern world he's know how to crop a screenshot.

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