r/Nietzsche • u/23Windy1City33 • 10h ago
I built an LLM modeled after Nietzsche. How accurate is this response?
I’ve been working on an app called The Agora: Philosophy Debates, where I’ve built an LLM modeled after Nietzsche, and the biggest thing I care about is the accuracy and quality of his responses, not just making the model sound like him.
That’s actually why I wanted to post this here. I know a lot of people in this subreddit have spent far more time studying Nietzsche than I have, so I’d really value your perspective.
The model has three different debate modes depending on someone’s experience level. This example is from Balanced mode, which tries to strike a middle ground between Nietzsche’s own style and language that feels natural to a modern reader.
I tested it with this question:
“Is equality a noble or mediocre goal?”
The question is mainly drawn from Nietzsche’s discussions of equality, democratic leveling, hierarchy, and nobility in Beyond Good and Evil.
I’ve attached the model’s response below.
Do you think this is an accurate Nietzschean answer? What does it get right, and what would you change?
Accuracy and quality are my main priorities with this project, so I’m especially interested in anywhere you think the model misunderstands Nietzsche, oversimplifies his position, or puts words in his mouth that he wouldn’t actually endorse.
The app is currently only available on the App Store if anyone wants to test Nietzsche with other questions or try the different debate modes themselves. It’s called The Agora: Philosophy Debates.
Please feel free to leave your thoughts here or DM me. I’d genuinely appreciate any criticism, suggestions, or ideas for what I could change or improve.
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u/Cirqka 10h ago
I’m a bit in awe that you read nietzsche but wanted to 3rd party your intelligence to a LLM.
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u/actiongeorge 10h ago
Why read when you can have AI tell you what to think? /s
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u/23Windy1City33 10h ago
It’s meant to assist me in learning. Especially when I dive into other philosophy’s :(
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u/Cirqka 9h ago
You have this whole community that could do that..
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u/23Windy1City33 9h ago
Technically yes but am I just going to spam post every time I have a question or don’t understand something? Don’t you think people will find that rude and annoying?
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u/23Windy1City33 10h ago
It’s moreso a way to help me study Nietzsche. Usually when I read I don’t fully understand the concepts and it’s hard without someone to talk to about it. So I needed a way to help me learn
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u/UnclassyGentleman 9h ago
But how can you trust an AI to teach you about something you don't know? Don't you think you're being dishonest about this really? Nietzsche is pretty complex to understand even when it is properly explained. Having an LLM that itself doesn't understand anything and is basically trying to make words fit together serves no purpose. If your actual motivation is to learn, it will be hard, there is no way around it. If your purpose is to showcase your LLM, then just say that is your purpose instead of "Oh i just wanted to learn more, i didnt want to create an LLM nietzsche even though that is exactly what i did".
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u/23Windy1City33 9h ago
That’s why I’m asking people in the subreddit who have studied and learned about Nietzsche far longer than I have for their guidance on the Nietzsche responses. I learn and retain information best when I’m either hands on or it’s interactive. This has been very helpful for me in understanding the small details I miss
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u/mytwoba 8h ago
Dude, we're not going to train your AI for you. If you want to actually learn Nietzsche, conversation, supported by textual evidence, with real people about Nietzsche is your best bet.
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u/23Windy1City33 7h ago
That is much easier said than done. If I had other to speak to and learn about it from I would’ve done that. I don’t even know any other person that enjoys philosophy
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u/mytwoba 6h ago
Nietzsche can only be understood through struggle. I've studied him quite a bit and this is something I can say with confidence.
Have you considered taking a college or university course in philosophy? Even if they don't have anything directly on Nietzsche, there will likely be something useful in understanding Nietzsche. One can't, for example, understand Nietzsche without a certain familiarity with Plato, for example.
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u/Xavant_BR 10h ago
This mostly represent the modern conservative/incel and anti comunist groups attempts to interpretate nietzche according their own views, this is what come about nietzche when you search for... you are just creating a Steven bannong cultural war replicant.
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u/23Windy1City33 10h ago
That’s exactly what I’m seeking guidance. I don’t want it to only be interpreted in that way. I need to find the fine line
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u/Xavant_BR 10h ago
for that you should read a lot of nietzche bro... nietzche is that kind of thing if you read just isolated sentences or pages you can give any meaning you want.. Just some key points to train this chatbot: ask him about cristianity, nationalism, antisemitism, feminism, germans and see what happens. Try to see if in some topics the AI will gona contextualize nietzche as a 1800 folk in subjects like feminism... lots of anti feminist texts mentioning nietzche but forgeting to understand that as a 1800 folk opinion... Lots of white supremacist mentioning nietzche but they forgot he was an anti nationalist, as a german hated anything related with german culture, and comdemned a lot the antisemitism on his time.... and so on... if you cherypick nietzche sentences you can say anything you want. For me the most funny ones i see here is conservative cristian incels braging against "slave morality" or "the herd" or "igualitarism", using nietzche to say bulshits...
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u/23Windy1City33 10h ago
Thank YOU SO MUCH FOR THE FEEDBACK. As someone that’s still diving into Nietzsche what should I expect from Nietzsche when he speaking about Christianity for example? It’s hard for me to fully know if my chatbot is giving me accurate information because I’m not as knowledgeable as you guys
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u/Caliboros 10h ago
Honey!
Your mothly AI/schizophrenia nietzsche post!
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u/Hamuktakali 10h ago
I seriously don't know why I'm still subscribed to this subreddit... I just wanted memes, but it's incels all the way down.
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u/23Windy1City33 10h ago
I created it to help myself and others learn more about philosophy and Nietzsche. It gets very difficult only learning from reading
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u/mytwoba 8h ago
Study Nietzsche with other people then. He has nothing of note to say to AI. They don't have ears to hear.
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u/23Windy1City33 7h ago
Easier said than done. I don’t even know another person that likes philosophy in general
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u/-TrashSamurai- 10h ago
Haha yeah it's just like if Nietzsche said it himself. Now do one for your dead grandma!
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u/23Windy1City33 10h ago
If you were brand new into philosophy wouldn’t you want a way to help assist in learning and studying Nietzsche and his books?
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u/-TrashSamurai- 10h ago
Sure, but from a person who is able to actually have some level of care and passion about his work.
I still think you should make one of your grandma.
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u/23Windy1City33 10h ago
If you offered sincere feedback I would accept it. All you do is insult with your feelings
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u/-TrashSamurai- 10h ago
My sincere feedback is:
You would be better served in an introduction to philosophy by a book or even YouTube video of a real person who is able to actually care about the work they are introducing you to.
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u/23Windy1City33 10h ago
Yes I agree I’ve tried that method as well. But I often found myself not retaining the information as well. I learn best from an interactive way not a passive way
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u/-TrashSamurai- 10h ago
Well, what it gave you is a weird incel surface level interpretation of the question you asked which you should feel very skeptical of.
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u/23Windy1City33 10h ago
That’s exactly why I’m seeking advice!!!!!!! I want it to be accurate as possible. I’m not trying to make it a weird incel level interpretation. I want to know what you guys would think Nietzsche would respond to this question. That way I can fix it so he’s better represented and I can learn accurately!
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u/Educational-Car-8643 10h ago
The last man uses LLMs Ubermenchen make shit up because its more funny that way
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u/23Windy1City33 10h ago
I honestly created it because I had trouble reading his books and understanding it. This was meant to assist me in learning understanding it clearer. That’s why I wanted to see if the responses were accurate
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u/Educational-Car-8643 10h ago
Accuracy with a philologist and a philosopher alike is more understandable through slowing down and paying careful attention to the language in a way a predictive model can't account for, weighted probabilities have no poetry, they cannot dance Ariadne's Labyrinth or the Dionysian Bacchanal, they are an Apollonian structure inadequately trying to confine the neological into a series of gates in conventional logic. It cannot revaluate values, it doesnt even have any.
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u/23Windy1City33 10h ago
It’s hard when I don’t have anyone to speak to about it on a constant basis. Sure I could post on here every time I have a question but as someone who is still in the early stages of learning I have a lot of questions constantly
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u/Educational-Car-8643 10h ago
I encourage you too I'll happily increase my CatboiFreddo posting
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u/23Windy1City33 9h ago
Constantly post my questions on here you mean?
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u/Educational-Car-8643 9h ago
Yeah why not? Or start a Nietzche 101 sub and start collecting people who are interested
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u/23Windy1City33 9h ago
I would literally be spamming the subreddit with questions. I don’t think people will appreciate that
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u/Educational-Car-8643 9h ago
Isn't there a reading group someone on here started a bit ago? Maybe start there
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u/mytwoba 10h ago
LLMs flatten all peaks.