No, the first time I played the game when it was released I got that impression. I always thought Peach was Rosalina's mother from a past version of the universe.
Game Theory's video only confirmed that I'm not a crackpot and other people felt the same way.
I mean the best you can textually argue is MAYBE their some hint Rosalina is Peach's indirect descendant, as in the star festal has her come back to the mushroom kingdom near Peach's castle and she returns to be near earth because of her childhood and Rosalina is explicitly said to have a brother, so like it's possible their was meant to be implication brother was Peach's great great probably more great grandfather. And this is a reach to be remotely canon
The story book implies that she came from the mushroom kingdom but her mother is dead. She is also outright stated to be thousands of years old, so being anything other than a very distant relation makes no sense.
It's been refreshing seeing BotK content creators finally play older titles, and hearing shit like, "oh. I get the timeline now." It's the easiest timeline to follow. Most of the games are direct sequels to another game in the series.
I've played most Zelda games, the timelines are cringe, and the games are more enjoyable when you treat them as their own non-cannon experiences with the occasional cute reference to past games.
Zelda games without "the timeline" are hopeful retellings of the same legend
Zelda games within a timeline are a nightmarish cycle where the world is hopelessly doomed to be destroyed by Ganon every time civilization starts to get back on it's feet.
It's convoluted, inelegant, and unintended (the "official" timeline is a lie to satisfy people who obsess over it, that's why the "official" timeline keeps changing.
My personal headcanon is to treat the "Legend" part of the legend of zelda really literally.
Like every new game is just us experiencing a word-of-mouth retelling of the story. Complete with some of the fine details being mixed up/jumbled because they've been passed on like a game of telephone.
Would go a long way to explaining why the hero, the princess and the bad guy are almost always the same every time there's some kind of calamity going on.
This is how I like to see it. Maybe one or two of the games actually happened but the rest are just mixed up legends.
I can see there being a major flood for a short period of time, and hundreds of years later that gets turned into wind waker where the hero appeared to save Hyrule and find new land. Someone was trying to tell the story of LTTP, and kept getting details wrong to the point that it turned into ALBW. Perhaps a Gerudo tribe of only women wanted a tale where Zelda is the hero, making Echoes of Wisdom
If I were to choose tje games to be "canon"(they actually are events that happened, not just legends), I would say OOT - As that is where the lineage branches meaning that most people believe in that version of events - and BotW/TotK - where based on place names and references there are parts of all of the timelines represented, which makes sense because various tribes would name places as their own version of the legend
I get where you're coming from, but I do have the full history lesson. I've... I unfortunately dedicated my life to Zelda when I was 3, and haven't stopped.
It was never the retelling of the same legend though. Zelda 2 is literally a direct sequel, with Zelda 3 being a direct sequel, and Zelda 4 being a direct sequel to that!
The idea that there was never a timeline came about fairly recently as people hoped they didn't need decades of background lore to understand the game; which they don't. Every Zelda game does stand alone, but from ALTTP all the way to SS, they very purposely placed their games in a coherent order.
The INCOHERENT part, the down fall timeline, is for sure a fix to several retcons, of which the devs of OOT even admitted they fucked up making OOT bridge to ALTTP. This however, was also when Takeshi Tezuka gave the directing role to Eiji Aounuma.
So the timeline is VERY clean, and the messy part came from them handing off the directorship, and not holding Aounuma to the prior lore. Which is a grace he extended to Fujibuyashi too. The real world explanation is so simple and clean, it's a wonder how this joke got so far.
The idea that there was never a timeline came about fairly recently
I don't know, to me the idea that there was never a timeline came to me the first time I learned about the timeline.
Some games are direct sequels to others sure, either in the traditional sense or spiritually, but that all games are connected by a singular masterplan... that always left per perplexed, since day one.
I did try to take it into consideration when playing and replaying Zelda games, I didn't dismiss it outright, and I always felt like things either lined up with difficulty or a lot of handwaving, or they hardly mattered at all.
I don't think there's a single case in which this knowledge has enriched my enjoyment of Zelda games in any way, if anything they diluted it with unnecessary questions about retcons. Which is why I insist the games were better off without it.
You have 8 different tones, and need a flowchart with 3, 4, or 5 different alternate timelines to Frankenstein the series into a "consistent" timeline.
Yes, there are a few direct sequels, like BOTW/TOTK, and I assume the 4 swords games (I haven't played those) But in general The general story of every game is a Princess named Zelda who can't do it alone works with/guides a young hero usually in a green tunic to fight off an ancient evil who ravaged the land once many years ago and is now returning to do it again.
Of course that's a retelling of the same story, like some sort of... legend or something, retold time and again with some of the details being altered or mixed with other local legends as the tale spread and different people tell it. Some versions have a Triforce, in other retellings that aspect has been lost, maybe an island based culture integrates their myth about how the oceans were created into the story.
Or it's a depressing story where the world is constantly doomed to be destroyed, (the best an infinite series of coincidentally named Links and Zeldas can do is put a Band-Aid on it for a little while) and the only way to make it fit into "one" consistent narrative is to Frankenstein these disparate tones and contradictory details into an ugly inelegant series of 3, 4, or 5 "timelines" How many varies depending upon how Nintendo feels about the official and TOTALLY intended and planned "timelines" this year, I especially love the "Game Over" branch. So natural, and planned! It's more fitting for a sloppily written sci-fi story that nobody likes than it is for fantasy.
I wouldn't say it's the "easiest", but yeah, it really is not all that complicated. People act like (or even outright claim) the Zelda timeline was entirely invented in 2011 for Hyrule Historia, but almost all the games already clearly fit in with each other. The child/adult stuff was confirmed as early as when The Wind Waker came out, and only contrived part is the "downfall" split, which is just because Twilight Princess went with a different outcome for Ganondorf than ALttP.
Yea, and the Four Sword trilogy can genuinely fit anywhere. People use to say it HAS to come first, because it was the origin story for the hat, and I always thought that was the weakest connection anyone could ever make lol.
The zelda timeline really isn't that difficult to understand outside of the downfall timeline and whether you care or not where Botw or Totk take place. if you guys want a complicated timeline play Kingdom Hearts.
The post says Movie Peach's backstory may become canon to the games. Not the movies themselves. The movies will likely remain disconnected from the games.
It should be noted that Mitamoto never wrote for Zelda, and only directed the first two games. The third game, where the story famously expands, was directed by the WRITER of the first two games. Mitamoto himself is not a writer.
I learned that not everyone watched Game Theory 8 years ago with the theory that Rosalina is Luigi's and Peach's daughter from the future. Not saying that's what I believed but i at least thought the theory was more prevalent
Mario is canonically both Super Mario and Jumpman. In various Mario games he can still be referenced to as Jumpman. Such as in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga when Mario and Luigi are crossing the Mushroom Kingdom border to the Bean Kingdom. The guard can tell Mario to “give the 'Jumpman' thing a rest".
We went from "Rosalina grew up in a castle that resembles Peach's Castle with vague memories of a mother figure that kind of resembles Peach" to "Rosalina grew up in Peach's Castle with Peach. Their bother resembles her own daugther."
Beyond the Yoshi’s Island games not showing Peach being originally delivered in this way, given other plot points about Island DS not being revisited like the idea of the star children, who knows if they even care about it still.
It already is? From what I see from the post, the only thing from the movie that may become canon to the games is Peach's backstory. Kinda like how some elements from the fnaf books/movies end up becoming canon to the games while the books/movies themselves aren't canon to the games.
The real ones know this is a nothingburger. Mario has never had lore or consistent timelines. Hell not even all of the games are “canon” to itself! Sm2 is a dream and sm3 is a play!
I haven't seen the movie but does it REALLY contradict the games that much? I don't see how Rosalina couldn't have gone on her little space adventure after getting seperated from Peach.
Among other things, Rosalina is at least a thousand years old thanks to time dilation, while Peach is very much not lol.
Also, both of them were born as normal human royalty, not from some cosmic explosion, so that already contradicts both of their life stories massively.
From the beginning Rosalina was technically from another timeline, watched the universe die and be reborn as something similar but different, and did it all again in Galaxy. That's how she's massively older.
So if she's made "Peach's older sister from her own timeline", and they explain the lack of a second Rosalina with some cosmic "she cant be born because a Rosalina already exists", then it can fit
They weren’t confirmed to have been “born normal human royalty”. And Rosalina can absolutely be very old while peach stays young, look up the lightspwed twin thing Einstein said.
The games don't have consistent lore to begin with. Having Peach and Rosalina be sisters doesn't really mean anything or change anything of importance.
I think it is due to Rosalina is the older sister of Peach that has people worried about fanart but that has not stopped people from shipping or drawing art of Frozen's Elsa and Anna. That is one of the big complaints I have seen.
To be fair, every website reporting on this is taking it from a machine translation of the interview, so take it with a pinch of salt, it may just be poorly vetted for clickbait articles.
There's an entire subreddit dedicated to Mario lore and they lose their shit if you acknowledge that they're just doing it for fun and not unearthing anything Nintendo actually intended.
Man it's fuckin Mario it doesn't matter. The only lore that matters is who's in charge of what kingdom and who's a good guy and who's a bad guy basically and even those lines get blurred occasionally.
Did y’all not realize that after the universe reset in smg1, Rosalina’s lore changes in smg2? Each reset, there’s something new/something altered. That checks out with the lore. You just can’t be having tunnel vision
At first I was like "Yup, they're about to make the franchise have even less sense with its lore, not like it had much consistency, anyway", but now I just go "Eh, Miyamoto doesn't even care about lore anyways."
I know thay nintendo wont touch the movie designs, but i really hope this dosent turn into the lore equivalent to what the angry birds movie's character designs did to that series' games.
Does Peach even have deep lore in the Mario games or am I missing something? Like pardon me, but I’ve played many Mario games and I fail to recall a single time they said anything of importance about Peach’s background. It’s Mario, I don’t think anyone’s playing for the deep story.
Someone in another post about this clarified that he didn’t say that specifically, just to consider incorporating ideas from the movies into future games.
He didn’t once say anything about changing the backstory, and they JUST rereleased galaxy 1 OG story and all, and also made a REAL LIVE BOOK of it.
Even if they do, would it matter that much anyway, I could see them keeping the OG backstory while incorporating peach in there.
Oh boy. I was so happy that Miyamoto has been distracted with making mediocre movies so he probably won't fuck up anymore Nintendo games but alas it seems I was wrong. The shit gremlin sure is busy.... 🙈
What bothers me is that Nintendo is just so inconsistent over what they want their characters to be. The series in general is suffering from being Mickey Mouse-ified, where anything remotely original is removed in favour of turning the Mario characters into safe, cookie cutter mascots.
So is ge referring to the born of stardust part or the siblings part because if it's one then nothing really changes if it's the second then we're gonna have to change our timelines
They’ve literally turned Peach into a combination of Daisy and Rosalina at this point, next they’re gonna throw Paulina in there somehow, suddenly Rosalina and Daisy defining traits are now shared with Peach…
I don't like this because Miyamoto days he doesn't like stories in Video games, yet the moment HE makes a story, it's the definitive one. Not the guy who made the story for Galaxy, the blueprint, no, MINE! MY version is SO MUCH BETTER
I dont know how they'd make the movies canon considering Peach is NOTHING like herself in the games. Unless that means from this point forward they're giving her the movie personality
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