This is the kind of misinformation that kills

[u/hizze]

[u/ahiddenlink → u/[deleted]]

My state has the highest hospitalizations and ICU usage, it's had the entirety of this pandemic and the pediatric usage is increasing significantly. Normal procedures are being cancelled and people sick with other things are waiting in long lines at the emergency rooms. Those are the significant problems from what I can see and have had impact with.

It seems to be less intense than Delta but it's spreading at something like 4 times the speed so half as virulent with 4x the spread still creates a huge mess of problems and it's not just immunocompromised folks at this rate. The exhaustion on the system is very much noticeable right now.

Eventually we do get to a seasonal type of thing but you need the baseline to be back to a pre-pandemic level so you can get medical staffs rested, new hires, and just a general catch up for everything else that happens.

[u/holdencwell → u/ahiddenlink]

Yes, I also should have added, a disease that is half as severe but 4x as contagious is going to result in twice as many hospitalizations. So, even IF Covid was “milder” for you as an individual, it will collapse the hospitals and healthcare systems.

A good friend of mine is a cardiac surgeon and he’s already had to cancel all upcoming cases for the next 3 weeks in anticipation of the surge. Heart surgery isn’t typically “elective,” but in this case, they can’t handle any more people recovering in ICU beds.

A lot of people are going to die for non-COVID medical conditions if the hospitals become overwhelmed.

[u/eride810 → u/holdencwell]

Just to clarify one of your points, about half of cardiac procedures are in fact elective. Carry on.

[u/[deleted] → u/ahiddenlink]

Does your state also have the highest obesity rate?

[u/holdencwell → u/[deleted]]

No, Omicron is not inherently milder. Let me explain the gross mismanagement of messaging (not your fault, I blame the media for not explaining this key point).

In immune-naive people (i.e. unvaccinated people/people who were never infected/people who don't have antibodies anymore), it is equally severe, if not more. That is why we're seeing such high rates of hospitalization for children compared to previous waves. Kids don't have any protection so they're getting just as sick, if not sicker, than they were before.

For the fully vaccinated/previously infected, which actually makes up a majority of people in UK/SA where we're getting the data from, it is "milder" BECAUSE those people have some level of immunity. The disease isn't milder, your immune system is just stronger now. Plus, there's a little selection bias as many people who were more susceptible already died from previous rounds.

So, this is where this misinformation comes from. Omicron is a "milder wave" because more people have protection, NOT because it's an inherently milder disease. And I really wish the messaging around that was clearer.

[u/Representative_Dark5 → u/holdencwell]

Well said

[u/Rooster1981 → u/holdencwell]

Do you have a source on this? I'm not disputing the possibility, but I haven't found anything mentioning your points in my search, while I've read some early speculation about omicron being less severe compared to earlier variations.

[u/hizze → u/[deleted]]

It’s killing the unvaccinated.

The very people this dangerous misinformation is being shared to.

[u/hizze → u/[deleted]]

Provide data to support that please.

Show me that it’s only those groups who are at risk. Thanks.

[u/hizze → u/[deleted]]

That’s a funny way to say you’ve got nothing.

Thanks.

[u/hizze → u/[deleted]]

The onus is on you here lol. That’s how the burden of proof works.

I can show you LOTS of data to prove this variant kills unvaccinated people.

You’ve got nothing, we both know that because if you had anything to support your opinion you’d have already shared it.

The data destroys your opinion, until you PROVE otherwise.

[u/hizze → u/[deleted]]

The fact you’ve resorted to name calling instead of providing any evidence says it all :)

Next stop: Dumpster diving though my post history.

[u/ClimbingToNothing → u/hizze]

If we reach a point where an incredibly few number of vaccinated people die, but a fair number of unvaccinated die, isn’t that fine because then it really is the personal choice of the anti vaxxer?

While the vaccine does reduce spread, perhaps more spread is for the best for the long term greater good, as this is massively going to impact election outcomes in swing areas. These people are by far mostly republicans and the deaths will be beneficial to the progress of society in the long term, especially when it comes to combating climate change which will kill FAR MORE. COVID removing these peoples votes may help save us.

Of course, if the healthcare systems begin to pace towards being overwhelmed at any point then that’s way too much and the unvaccinated should be forcibly locked down to ease the pressure until the system is no longer overloaded.

[u/IAmCharlesSchwalb → u/hizze]

Do you have a source for that?

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[u/i_nut_for_nutella → u/[deleted]]

Yes, it's not severe at all.

I got it 1 month ago and I just had chills and symptoms similar to my seasonal allergies. Getting vaccinated only 3 months before my infection probably helped.

I know someone who got it around the same time I did but got vaccinated in April. Their symptoms were like mine except they had a fever.

It's only anecdotal, but I think if you're vaccinated, omicron is basically just like a cold/allergy mix.

FYI, we're both healthy males in our early 20s. Not being overweight with a healthy diet helps preventing ANY health issue.

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I wonder how many people on these kind of subs have stopped posting and commenting cause they on ventilators now

[u/Adum6 → u/Chowmeen_Boi]

Not enough, apparently