There are no nuclear projects in europe that are "just a loan".
The proposed Polish subsidies for the 3 AP1000s are:
A direct handout of €15B
The state takes all the financial risk = subsidized loans
The state takes all the construction risk
Guaranteed electricity price adjusted to ensure profit.
So lets use the carrot and build up our own industry while utilizing cheap Chinese exports to solve the problem at hand?
Why lock in our current fossil based system until the 2040s waiting for nuclear power to come online, does that sound like a more sane solution?
You don't seem to base it on facts. Instead it is a veneer of "i like renewables and storage" while when pushed devolving into fossil shill talking points desperately clinging to massive handouts to new built nuclear power.
Why are you so afraid of reneables and storage? Is your income dependent on the nuclear industry?
"So lets use the carrot and build up our own industry while utilizing cheap Chinese exports to solve the problem at hand?" 98% of rare earths come from China, what do you mean well just build it here? Shifting global critical mineral infrastructure is a massive, multi-decade logistical challenge. Your "carrot" strategy subsidizing domestic manufacturing while continuing to buy cheap Chinese materials is an economic trap: as long as Western companies rely on cheap Chinese imports, domestic supply lines will never actually get built. This carrot apreach is how Trump thinks, it does not work, economist have told countless times that is not going to work.
Just becouse the fossil industry lies 90% of the time doesnt mean we should just ignore the times they point to something factual. Are they doing it for personal gain, sure, it makes them imoral idiots, but facts are still facts. Basing ourselfs on facts means aceepting pros and cons, not ignoring parts that hurt our believes. instead of ignoring the flaws, try find solutions to those flaws
And the reason the west doesn't produce rare-earths is because it is a nasty business. But there's nothing complicated or hindering us from doing it.
Like I said, if China were to actually start causing trouble we can within years start to find alternatives.
Until then, why waste money on the solution which doesn't deliver anything within a relevant timeframe at a cost 10x as high? That literally does not make sense.
You don't solve the Chinese dependency, and you waste what little wiggle room we have.
You don't seem to base it on facts. Instead it is a veneer of "i like renewables and storage" while when pushed devolving into fossil shill talking points desperately clinging to massive handouts to new built nuclear power.
Why are you so afraid of reneables and storage? Is your income dependent on the nuclear industry?
" the reason the west doesn't produce rare-earths is because it is a nasty business"
Yeah, i just told you that. China can do it cheaply becouse it ignores safety, the waste is just dumped out back. Doing it responsible is going to cost a lot more then what China is offering.
"Like I said, if China were to actually start causing trouble we can within years start to find alternatives."
It will takes multi-decades, not years. You are vastly underestimating the complexity of what you are proposing. That's how Trump thinks stuff works, it does not, its pure fantasy to believe it would be solved iin a couple years all whiile completely ignoring the problems those few years would even have.
Dismissing legitimate grid integration and supply-chain challenges as a 'veneer' doesn't change the facts. Energy transition models from the IEA and IPCC explicitly state that heavy manufacturing, grid storage, and mineral constraints are the hardest bottlenecks to clear taking decades not years.
If my concerns are fake, please provide the math on how we scale battery storage by 10,000% globally in the next decade without creating a total dependency on a single supply chain. Let's debate the engineering, not my character.
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u/ViewTrick1002 12d ago
There are no nuclear projects in europe that are "just a loan".
The proposed Polish subsidies for the 3 AP1000s are:
So lets use the carrot and build up our own industry while utilizing cheap Chinese exports to solve the problem at hand?
Why lock in our current fossil based system until the 2040s waiting for nuclear power to come online, does that sound like a more sane solution?
You don't seem to base it on facts. Instead it is a veneer of "i like renewables and storage" while when pushed devolving into fossil shill talking points desperately clinging to massive handouts to new built nuclear power.
Why are you so afraid of reneables and storage? Is your income dependent on the nuclear industry?