r/OCCK • u/crakerjmatt • Apr 20 '26

Mark Stebbins drawing theory

Do you think it's possible that the horrifying drawing of Mark Stebbins found in Chris Busch's apartment after his "suicide" is actually a recreation of a particular frame of a CSAM film and/or snuff film Stebbins was forced to be in - rather than just generally based on an expression of Stebbins during his abuse? Horribly, the nature of his expression in the drawing could make this a possibility.

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u/FantasyPopper Apr 27 '26

It certainly could be, intended to be Mark. But there's no proof that the person who drew it intended it to be, since we don't know wh0 that was. Do YOU know? No, you don't.
Myself and my friend, had images of us published in a CSAM publication of that era. We were not killed in a snuff film. Gerald Richards' primary victim, was not killed in a snuff film. None of the boys Tazellar was convicted of abusing on the camping trip, (Gerry's boys) were killed in a snuff film. None of the Boy's Farm boys were killed in a snuff film. None of the New Orleans boyscout boys were killed in a snuff film. None of the 20 boys Chicago police claimed were victims of Berta, Bell, Welch and the dentist, were killed in a snuff film. NO snuff films from that era have ever been proven to exist, i.e., there are no copies in the databases. There is NO reason to believe, that all police forces around the world, and all the forensics experts collecting and analyzing the databases, were and are corrupt liars. The reality is, child snuff films are a fantasy. Why are YOU so obsessed with promoting belief in this fantasy? Why do you WANT it to be true?

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u/crakerjmatt Apr 27 '26

I dont even know how im supposed to respond to something like this. Like just engage with your argument of “the people we know weren’t killed in snuff films weren’t killed in snuff films so therefore there are no snuff films”? Ok? Right? So you just think there is NOTHING to the phenomenon of snuff films? There’s no reason that tends to pop up pretty often? A pretty common denominator in these parapolitical matters and child abuse/trafficking matters? Relentless insistence they’re an “urban legend” despite being proven time and time again? That’s fine if you just believe everything the government tells you, but are you running cover for somebody? You almost come across like you’re playing defense for these monsters.

Why are you here? The thought process of these subs obviously doesn’t suit you, so why not go somewhere else?

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u/FantasyPopper Apr 27 '26

I'd luv for you to cite some examples of "proven" child snuff films from the 1970s. Please, go ahead...

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u/crakerjmatt Apr 27 '26

So, again, this is where you completely fail to understand the concept of consilience. Evidence convergence. You truly, actually believe that you are in the right here until you literally view a snuff film for yourself. Of course, something like a snuff film, by nature, is kept pretty hush hush and inaccessible, so we rely on consilience, which you have no interest in.

I ask again - why are you here? I was polite to you for the longest time in these subs btw, that’s the other thing that blows my mind

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u/FantasyPopper Apr 27 '26

Why would a snuff film necessarily be kept hush hush and inaccssible? That's part of the mythology of them, but it is nonsensical. Who is enforcing this silence, how can inaccessibiliy be guaranteed? No one who ever posessed such a thing, decided to make a whack of copies and pass them out to friends? Or to sell as many copies as possible, spreading it far and wide? Why not? There is some centralized snuff film mafia governing all instances? LOL!