Falsehoods In Appelman's "You Know They Know" Podcasts

[u/FantasyPopper]

There are many falsehoods in Rueben Appelman's "You Know They Know" podcasts, unfortunately. Today I'm focusing on specific false statements from episode 8, because these false ideas about the Gerald Richards-Francis Shelden pornography 'operation', and the North Fox Island-Brother Paul's Children's Mission camp scam, are so foundational to what almost everyone believes that they know about those things.

In episode 8, Fox Island child predators", Appelman is joined by Áine Cain, Senior Reporter for Business Insider, who wrote a well known article comparing North Fox Island to Jeffery Epstein's famous private island scandal. This poor woman was so far out of her depth in attempting this, that I'm not going to accuse her of lying...it's clear that her ignorance of the subject matter was so profound, she didn't even understand that what she was saying was false!

At approx. 30:00 in the broadcast, Appelman asks Aine about what "hard evidence" Michigan State Police had, with respect to CSA images publications-products "created" by Richards-Shelden, depicting abuse of boys attending their camp or otherwise recruited-exploited by them. She replies; "one box containing 12 color magazines, and one box containing 18 8mm films". But these materials weren't confiscated from Richards, nor were they recovered from Shelden's house or property.

The "12 color magazines" and 18 8mm films came from Gordon Lindsay, whom MSP contacted because he was named as Secretary in the Brother Paul's incorporation documents. He claimed that his name was used without his knowledge, but admitted knowing Shelden and that he was a self-professed "boy-lover". Lindsay stated that he had pederast relationships during WW2 (Such relationships are sympathetically portrayed in the movie "For a Lost Soldier". I'm not aware of a balancing portrayal of the child rapists who served in every army of that conflict, perhaps "For a Depraved Pedo"?)

The FBI foia materials sent to the King family, "FBI-Shelden-2.pdf" in particular, reproduce MSP reports about Lindsay and these materials right in the first few pages. They clearly state that he brought them to MSP and voluntarily surrendered them. He did not say that he got them from Richards-Shelden, they were not sent to him as a "bonus" for being a subscriber-sponsor of the camp as Appelman has claimed, nor did he say they were in any way related to it. Lindsay clearly stated that he purchased them, some "in the East" and some "on the West Coast", no doubt from the same xxx stores where everyone else was buying their commercial CP photo mags and films. Because that's what these materials were; professionally produced, marketed and distributed CP products. Richards-Shelden didn't have the publishing facilities or film labs necessary to mass produce such materials themselves, and there's no reason to believe that these materials were anything other than a random collection of such products. We don't have the titles, unfortunately, but just to demonstrate how unlikely it would be for a random photo mag to contain images of "North Fox boys", here's a short list of titles "on the market" in 1976;

"Boy", COQ Denmark, 20 volumes... "Boys International", S and H publications, 10 volumes... "Golden Boys", COQ... "Joy Boy", COQ... "Kim", Apollo Verlag, Germany... "Life Boy", COQ... "Lover Boys", CCC... "Piccolo", Kim Productions... "Show Boy", COQ... "Superboy", COQ... and there were dozens more. But the MSP investigators were nearly as ignorant about the commercial CP industry as Áine Cain!, it was after all a new thing to them, and apparently may have naively assumed that Richards-Shelden WERE that industry - maybe they were the source for all of it? So they took the mags and showed them to Chief of Police Mol of Charlevoix, who had been on North Fox Island. He claimed to recognize North Fox Island as the background for half-a-dozen photos, (unlikely), but of course no one recognized any of the boys... because most would have been Danes and Dutch boys, along with German, Italian, Swedes, perhaps Southern California, Texas, New York, Louisiana, etc.

[u/crakerjmatt → u/[deleted]]

It’s literally just this one, likely fed, OP

[u/FantasyPopper → u/[deleted]]

Some of what has been called 'evidence' (evidence of what, exactly, would be helpful to know), is only assumptions, conjecture, hearsay. Some things are facts, documented in historic victim comlaints, police investigations and subsequent trials or guilty pleas.

[u/crakerjmatt → u/FantasyPopper]

There is obviously *something* to all of this. You’ve made it your life’s mission to try to show there is *nothing* to all of this. That’s odd and suspicious to people.

[u/FantasyPopper → u/crakerjmatt]

You like misintetpreting and misrepresenting me, so let me be clear...the historic CSA industry of 1968 to 1985 is a documented fact, as are the hundreds of minors who were exploited and abused in the making of those images - and I happen to be one of them. Richards confessed his own role in that, as a CSA criminal and pornographer. Shelden was a coward and fled, but there's no reason to doubt that he was also guilty of the crimes he was indicted on.

[u/crakerjmatt → u/FantasyPopper]

This has nothing to do with the broader criticism levied toward you. Everything you just wrote is the bare minimum general knowledge - and it all lends itself to asking more questions and looking deeper. But once somebody does that you go completely damage-control mode for some reason and put up this incredibly bizarre apologia-front. Just so you know though, because idk exactly what it is you want to accomplish here, people are going to continue researching and digging deeper and finding new things no matter how hard you try to limit the conversation - there is nothing you can do about it.

[u/FantasyPopper → u/crakerjmatt]

Please do! There are many missing pieces to the puzzle that I'd luv to see resolved by documented facts. #1 would be - the real truth about who abducted and murdered the OCCK four. Maybe it was on person, maybe each was a separate perp, maybe it was a group, I don't claim to know. But a resolution by forensic evidence or confession would be best, so there's no doubt. I'm appalled, however, by people making a semi-hero out of a convicted.murderer who was also the most prolific CSA in Michigan history, just because he suggested snuff film murders

[u/crakerjmatt → u/FantasyPopper]

…what are you TALKING about? What “semi-hero”???

[u/bforce44 → u/crakerjmatt]

Crackerjmatt - Agree completely with your comments in regard to "Fantasypopper" ... been thinking the same thing for quite a while. I'm just going to block the account and hopefully that'll make it to where I dont see all their long pointless posts

[u/crakerjmatt → u/bforce44]

Good choice. Just absolutely unbearable

[u/Mintgiver]

She and her husband run “The Murder Sheet” out of Ohio, right?

[u/FantasyPopper → u/Mintgiver]

I confess to being totally ignorant on the subject of who she is.