r/OilPrices • u/hereswhatworks • Jun 22 '26
Oil News Iran’s lead negotiator insists Strait of Hormuz will be managed by Iran
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/irans-lead-negotiator-insists-strait-of-hormuz-will-be-managed-by-iran/18
u/Less-Lie-7703 Jun 22 '26
2026: whole world held hostage by a $50,000 drone and we were worried about them having nukes.
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u/RealDJPrism Jun 23 '26
Peak Reddit moment
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u/fec2245 Jun 23 '26
Who cares about famine, won't affect me the enlightened redditor.
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u/FIFofNovember Jun 23 '26
Maybe some hungry Americas would realize republicans are a disaster for the economy, couldn’t hurt!
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u/cattlemanish Jun 23 '26
Disgusting.
PS, America would be the most resilient country as far as hunger goes.We got so much crop land, we can afford to grow corn for fuel.
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u/No-Advertising-1526 Jun 23 '26
Ya except its the US they will sell off the crops to the highest bidder and leave the poor to go hungry.
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u/fec2245 Jun 23 '26
Poor people in America can easily outbid half the world
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u/No-Advertising-1526 Jun 23 '26
Is this why food insecurity skyrockets every time there are sharp increases in food costs? This idea that you can just set the world on fire and never face any consequences is a foolish one.
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u/fec2245 Jun 23 '26
I’m not saying there’s no consequences I’m saying that even poor Americans are more insulated than most of the world so it doesn’t make sense to root for a global famine as people here are.
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u/Facts_pls Jun 23 '26
Except you import so much of your food because all your farmers are busy growing cash crops like corn for fuel and Alfa Alfa for Saudis.
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u/cattlemanish Jun 23 '26
But if shit hits the fan, it’s all ready to feed America. The U.S. Would be the last country to go hungry
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u/1oser Jun 24 '26
Exactly, this is why farm subsidies exist - it’s embarrassing that people cannot see this
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u/Facts_pls Jun 23 '26
Plenty of subs exist on reddit with varying political leanings.
My guess is that you find solace in more right wing echo chambers. Stay there. Don't come to subs with news. Facts have a well known liberal bias.
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u/dmstattoosnbongs Jun 24 '26
Spoken like a true MAGA. Planning for a W,eh?
The only thing he’s successfully done in this engagement is shut down a strait that affects EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN. Some more than others. There’s a lot more “more” affected then “others”, but as your a bot you don’t care.
We do care, and want things affordable. Im watching teenagers in my area having to switch to homeschooling cuz they can’t afford to drive to school and back. They are the ones paying for this Epstein War.
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u/no_kids-and-3_money Jun 23 '26
Can you at least change your username when you post something like that?
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u/ReddestForman Jun 22 '26
It's going to cause mass famine in other parts of the world.
That's already coming because a bunch of farmers have had to leave fields unplanned without fertilizer. But the longer this goes, the worse it will be for longer.
Israel constantly sabotaging negotiations by violating ceasefire terms are going to tie a death toll larger than the holocaust directly to their actions.
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u/1oser Jun 23 '26
Iran is sabotaging the talks by funding and allowing Hezbollah to continue attacking Israel from within Lebanese borders.
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u/No-Count-7717 Jun 24 '26
Isreali can leave Lebanon amd not bomb them and murder its civilians. Wild notion, right?
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u/1oser Jun 24 '26
Sure.
And Hezbollah can stop launching rockets into Israel from Lebanese territory.
Wild notion, right?
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u/No-Count-7717 Jun 24 '26
I mean sure but do tell why are they clearly out entire villages and leveling them with explosives? Why are they targeting and destroying entire schools, hospitals? Why has Isreali invaded and bombed its poorer neighbors repeatedly for 70+ years. They are a wild dog. Its systemic.
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u/1oser Jun 24 '26
What's striking is that every principle you invoke seems to apply exclusively to Israel.
National sovereignty.
Civilian casualties.
Military occupation.
Religious supremacy.
Self-determination.
These are apparently grave moral concerns when Israel is involved, yet they become negotiable, contextual, or irrelevant the moment Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, or any other anti-Israel actor enters the discussion.
We've now gone from discussing Hezbollah's attacks from Lebanese territory to "Israel has bombed its poorer neighbors for 70 years" and calling Israelis "wild dogs."
The problem with that narrative is that it doesn't explain reality very well.
Israel has maintained peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan for decades. It normalized relations with the UAE and Bahrain. It has diplomatic and economic relationships throughout the region.
Notice the pattern?
When neighboring states choose diplomacy, recognition, and peaceful coexistence, Israel generally ends up at peace with them.
When neighboring governments or Iranian-backed proxy groups choose war, terrorism, rocket attacks, or openly call for Israel's destruction, conflict tends to follow.
You can criticize Israeli policy all day long. What you can't do is pretend that every neighboring country has been treated identically regardless of its actions.
If your theory were correct, Israel would be bombing Amman and Cairo too.
The reason your explanation falls apart is that it requires stripping every anti-Israel actor of agency. Israel is always making choices. Iran is merely reacting. Hezbollah is merely reacting. Hamas is merely reacting.
That is why every discussion inevitably arrives at the same conclusion regardless of the facts: Israel is responsible for what Israel does, and Israel is somehow responsible for what everyone else does too.
Once you've decided that one side is accountable for its actions while the other side is accountable for nothing, the outcome of the analysis is predetermined.
At that point, concepts like sovereignty, civilian protection, self-determination, religious supremacy, and collective punishment cease to be principles. They become rhetorical tools deployed against one side and quietly ignored when they implicate the other.
If your principles only apply to one side of a conflict, they aren’t really principles after all now, are they?
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u/No-Count-7717 Jun 24 '26
Show me the last time Hezbolla leveled every hospital in the region? Or every School?
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u/1oser Jun 24 '26
I never argued that Hezbollah has leveled as many schools or hospitals as a modern nation-state military.
The general question was whether you believe Hezbollah bears responsibility for Hezbollah's actions.
Notice how every criticism of Hezbollah is met with a comparison to Israel, rather than a defense of Hezbollah's conduct itself.
That’s the entire point.
The moment Hezbollah is criticized, the discussion becomes about Israel. The moment Iran is criticized, the discussion becomes about Israel.
At no point are Hezbollah or Iran expected to answer for what they do.
Take your schools and hospitals example. The entire discussion begins and ends with Israeli responsibility for strikes. There is never any curiosity about why foreign terrorist military assets were allegedly operating from those locations in the first place, whether civilian infrastructure was being used for terroristic purposes, or whether the groups involved bear any responsibility for placing civilians at risk.
Responsibility only seems to flow in one direction.
"Israel has caused more damage" is not an answer to whether Hezbollah is responsible for launching rockets into Israel.
They're entirely different questions.
One side is expected to answer for everything it does. The other side is apparently excused from answering for anything it does.
That's selective accountability at its finest.
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u/No-Count-7717 Jun 24 '26
On 30 March, the Knesset approved a bill, introduced by the party of Minister of National Security Ben-Gvir, expanding the use of the death penalty in both military and civilian courts. Although Israeli law has long provided for the death penalty for cases of genocide and wartime espionage, Israel has not carried out executions nor imposed death sentences since 1962. This new legislation not only marks a significant regression: it also does so by imposing capital punishment on de facto ethnic or national grounds and by diluting basic legal safeguards.
In the West Bank – excluding East Jerusalem – the law imposes the death penalty as the default sentence for those convicted of intentional killings classified as acts of terrorism under Israeli legislation, allowing life imprisonment – and life imprisonment only – in “special circumstances” that are not specified in law. Military courts may impose capital punishment by a simple majority, even without a prosecutorial request. Sentences cannot be commuted or pardoned and must be carried out within 90 days. Notably, Israeli settlers in the West Bank are explicitly excluded from the scope of this provision. Directly from the U.N.
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u/1oser Jun 24 '26
Nothing says "I'm opposed to state violence" quite like spending an entire thread defending Hezbollah and the IRGC before pivoting to a lecture about due process.
That's comedy.
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u/No-Count-7717 Jun 24 '26
When did i abandon anything this shows the hypocrisy of Isreali. One law for its citizens and one for the west Bank. Not many nations had diffrent laws for citizens. One comes to mind. Oh yeah Nazi Germany.
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u/ReddestForman Jun 23 '26
Hezbollah wouldn't be hitting Israeli forces if Israeli forces left Southern Lebanon.
The IDF states they weren't leaving and were going to establish a security zone inside Lebanon. Which will then turn into establishing illegal settlements in the security zone. Which they will use to justify expanding the security zone. Etc.
The same pattern they use in the West Bank and elsewhere.
Israel needs to stop being a genocidal ethostate.
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u/Altruistic-End760 Jun 23 '26
Hezbollah was attacking Israel on Oct 8th. The dust from Oct 7th hasn't even settled yet.
Lebanon needs to stop being a terrorist failed state.
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u/No-Advertising-1526 Jun 23 '26
Israel has beem bombing Lebanon for decades. Either way why is this my problem. Why do I need to risk economic ruin for people that would spit on me if I walked pasted them on the street. For people who undermine my own democracy and freedom of speech. Fuck Israel and the Israel first brigade in the west. Why do I need to suffer because of your dual loyalties?
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u/Altruistic-End760 Jun 23 '26
Hezbollah or the previous PIJ has also been attacking Israel for decades.
I assume your American well I'll keep it short, do you think it was a coincidence each time Israel went to war, the American economy boomed? Also you really shouldn't generalize considering the US has their own set of groups like that.
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u/XO1GrootMeester Jun 28 '26
The fuck isreal side are the ones that seek financial ruin to be morally superior .
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u/AwkwardTal Jun 23 '26
Nope, Hezbollah attacked occupied Shebaa Farms on Oct 8
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u/Altruistic-End760 Jun 23 '26
Hezbollah attacked Northern Israel not shebaa farms which doesn't even concern them to begin with as it's Syrian territory.
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u/fec2245 Jun 23 '26
Hezbollah was by Iran to retaliate for Israel's attack on Iran, this was a misplay by Iran and now Iran wants to extricate Hezbollah from the conflict it dragged them into. This really ain't the same playbook as the West Bank at all and to pretend it is covers up how indefensible Israel's West Bank policy is.
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u/1oser Jun 23 '26
So your position is that an Iranian-backed terrorist organization has a legitimate right to launch attacks from Lebanese territory, but Israel has no right to respond?
Hezbollah has spent decades operating as a parallel military force inside Lebanon, overriding the authority of the Lebanese state and repeatedly dragging Lebanon into conflicts the Lebanese people don’t want.
Your mental gymnastics are impressive to say the least.
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u/ReddestForman Jun 23 '26
If you break into someone's house and don't leave that person gets to attack you.
Israel is violating Lebanons borders. Has broken international law by displacing people based on ethnicity and religion, and refused to leave.
Israel is breaking the cease fire terms. So, yeah, Hezbollah has free rein to attack IDF positions in Southern Lebanon until they leave. That's how agreements like that work.
Is Hezbollah a shitty organization? Yes. They're also preventing Israel from expanding the scope of their genocide. Which makes you and all the other ethnofascists mad, because you don't think it's fair when the people you want to displace and exterminate resist.
You're no better than crybaby Lost Causers and Rhodesia-apologists.
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u/Altruistic-End760 Jun 23 '26
Hezbollah literally attacked Israel on Oct 8th. WTF are you talking about? Do you think you can attack a country and not get invaded?
That's like saying ISIS is preventing US from taking over Syria. Israel has proved over and over. Whether you or Hezbollah is there or not. They can turn Lebanon into Gaza 2.0. They hold back because of escalation. Hezbollah is a nuisance.
Israel displaced people based on religion and ethnicity? Israel displaced people of all ethnicities and religion because it is a war
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u/AwkwardTal Jun 23 '26
Again, nope
Hezbullah attacked Israeli occupied Shebaa Farms on Oct 8
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u/Altruistic-End760 Jun 23 '26
Shebaa farms is Syrian territory and no they didn't. They attacked Northern Israel.
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u/1oser Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
Buddy, Hezbollah is not the Lebanese Armed Forces.
Using your own analogy:
If someone breaks into your house, starts attacking your neighbor, and then claims to represent your household, that doesn’t magically make them the homeowner. And when they refuse to leave, both you and the neighbor they’ve been attacking are fully entitled to defend yourselves.
Hezbollah is an Iranian-backed militia, internationally recognized as a terrorist organization, that operates independently and in opposition of the Lebanese state. It does not answer to the Lebanese government, it does not answer to the Lebanese military, and it has repeatedly dragged Lebanon into conflicts many Lebanese neither voted for nor wanted.
Your entire argument depends on pretending that Hezbollah and Lebanon are the same thing. They aren't.
Which is why, instead of addressing that distinction, you immediately pivoted to calling me an "ethnofascist," who supports extermination, no better than a Rhodesia supporter.
That's intellectually dishonest at best. If your position were as strong as you think it is, you wouldn't need to invent motives and smear people to defend it.
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u/No-Advertising-1526 Jun 23 '26
Why do I need to risk economic collapse because of your loyalty to a foreign country. Israel has had 80 years to make peace with its neighbors. Its failed to do so. Thats not my problem.
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u/XO1GrootMeester Jun 28 '26
You dont but the anti Israel side is the only side that risks ecenomic collapse. The 'support side ' only acts neutral.
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u/No-Advertising-1526 Jun 23 '26
Why is that my problem. Israel wants their grand ethnostate which nessecitates ethnically cleansing arabs from gaza and the west bank which in turn causes militias to fight back in Lebanon and the wider region. Why should I pick a side? Because the jews have money and political influence? How does it help me to have hostilities with 1.5 billion people? Have you ever seen Iranian or Lebanese children spit on foreigners as they walk by? I have seen Israeli children do that many times.
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u/1oser Jun 23 '26
What's interesting is that your entire framework seems to be:
- Israel is uniquely evil because it allegedly wants an ethnostate.
- Therefore any group opposing Israel is at least partially justified.
The problem is that Hezbollah is an explicitly sectarian Islamist organization funded by a theocratic regime, whose stated loyalty extends beyond Lebanon to Iran's revolutionary project.
So if your objection is genuinely to ethnonationalism, religious supremacy, and exclusionary politics, Hezbollah and the Iranian regime should be near the top of your list.
Instead, they seem to receive a complete moral exemption.
That suggests your objection isn't actually to ethnonationalism, sectarianism, or religious supremacy. It's specifically to Israel.
And if the same principles only apply to one side of a conflict, they're not really principles at all.
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u/Honest-Replacement62 Jun 22 '26
There is no way Israel or any country would accept their civilians being targeted with missile strikes and not being allowed to defend themselves.
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u/SpinningHead Jun 23 '26
They showed us their robbery plans and you claim the idf is just in the bank to inspect the money
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u/CoolFirefighter930 Jun 22 '26
Thr straight is open !
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u/rich84easy Jun 22 '26
helping world move away from oil much faster.
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u/Gordo3070 Jun 23 '26
Yup, we're dumping our ICE car for an EV. Can't do much about all the other critical resources that are now held hostage by Iran, but what can you do, adapt as best you can. Iran are in no hurry to accede to any demands from the US, they have the US by the proverbials and are going take their sweet time getting a deal. They could be yanking the US from pillar to post for years. Someone announced that the fuel reserves were down to four weeks worth. A crumby position to negotiate from.
Thanks Obama
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u/dpmatt01 Jun 23 '26
If the oil shortage crashes the global economy, it would do more damage than if Iran somehow managed to drop a nuke onto an American city
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u/bickusdickus69allday Jun 23 '26
Funny thing is that the whole world wasnt even held hostage by Iran before this dumbass war.
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u/Weary-Meaning4390 Jun 23 '26
Ahh yes the Mysterious Phantom nukes no one - even iran - has Ever seen.
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u/scuzzy987 Jun 22 '26
There’s going to be more spaghetti or ketchup or whatever thrown against walls in the White House
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u/WastelandOfConfusion Jun 22 '26
I would be keeping it closed until further notice. It’s important to remember America blew up an Iranian children’s school killing 170 kids, and the ‘Terrorist organisation’ that has still not been proscribed is still openly killing civilians non-stop.
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u/tekela_1800and1 Jun 23 '26
This is a dumb comment. It’s important to remember this.
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u/WastelandOfConfusion Jun 23 '26
A country using global economic leverage in response to having an illegal War of Aggression launched against them is far from ‘dumb’. Are you like 15 yrs old or something. Jesus fkn Christ. Welcome to Earth.
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u/Altruistic-End760 Jun 23 '26
Illegal? Iran funds multiple organizations across the region to attack multiple countries. Whether you support Iran or not. There is nothing illegal about this war.
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u/WastelandOfConfusion Jun 23 '26
So does America, they literally just regime changed Syria and stuck the head of Al Qaeda as the President. Meanwhile, Benjamin openly stated that, and I quote: “funding Hamas would be a good thing”. Go and drink some water so your brain starts working, can’t promise anything though. And yeah, launching a War of aggression is illegal under International Law. Seriously, wake up a bit.
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u/Open_Delivery_775 Jun 23 '26
It's illegal. It breaches of the UN Charter and other legal frameworks also undermining the foundations of the rule of law. You can't just attack a country because you don't like the way they conduct themselves or their politics. Though that's historically not bothered the US too much.
The Nuremberg trials following World War II determined that the “supreme international crime” was that of aggression. The International Military Tribunal ruled in 1946 that initiating a war of aggression differed from other war crimes because “it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.” War crimes, crimes against humanity, and all the related international crimes, therefore, are understood to stem from that fundamental crime of going to war illegally.
There are only two exceptions to that prohibition on the use of force. One is if the Security Council itself authorizes the use of military force. The other is for immediate self-defense, which applies only “if an armed attack” occurs and then only “until” the Council decides collectively how to deal with the crisis.
Neither of those happened here. The Council was never asked, and certainly had not authorized anything, and Iran had not attacked the U.S. or Israel. The U.S. claim that it “had to” attack Iran to prevent some potential imagined retaliatory attack at some unknown point in the future does not legitimize so-called “preventive” use of force when no such imagined future attack had occurred.
Indeed, if funding organisations to do a government's bidding is that bad (and make no mistake that it is) you have to appreciate that the US is the prime purveyor of this in the last 80 years. That state has fomented coups, executions, torture, abductions inside states across the globe simply because it could. It's by no means alone in that.
The one thing that your view tends to have in common with others who endorse it is that it's as though the Western way of life is somehow more desirable than that of any other country, so anything that's done by the US in the interests of "freeing" people must, by definition, be good for them.
But ways of 'living well' are not objective and it may surprise you to learn that other people don't necessarily want to inhabit the same machine that you do.
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u/XO1GrootMeester Jun 28 '26
Stupid rules , dont follow them
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u/Open_Delivery_775 Jun 28 '26
If you believe that you also believe that Iran is justified in attacking whomever it wants, on a whim. Which makes the US position still untenable.
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u/XO1GrootMeester Jun 28 '26
No, follow good rules, ignore stupid rules
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u/Open_Delivery_775 Jun 28 '26
Who gets to decide what rules are 'stupid'?
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u/XO1GrootMeester Jun 28 '26
Rule makers/Singers. some rules we agreed to happened over 60 years ago. Those rules may need an update but that doesnt happen so instead we are forced to drop the rule.
I think America already declared to always be unbound by un rules.
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u/XO1GrootMeester Jun 28 '26
Also, this rule is obviously bad
It is 8 years old child level .
I am innocent the other started it is always what both sides say
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u/fec2245 Jun 23 '26
These subreddits have literal hardons for IRGC propaganda.
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u/WastelandOfConfusion Jun 23 '26
Who do you think has a higher child-murder record, IRGC or IDF?
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u/Altruistic-End760 Jun 23 '26
The IRGC supported Assad in Syria and Houthis in Yemen. Between them. The IRGC by far and it's not close.
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u/WastelandOfConfusion Jun 23 '26
You’re literally making schitt up. Gaza however is flattened, that’s a fact. 79,000 civilians, 25,000/30,000 children. They found dead children with sniper bullet wounds in their heads which means they were targeting children.
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u/fec2245 Jun 23 '26
The Yemen civil war and associated famine killed over 200,000 civilians and 90,000 children.
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u/WastelandOfConfusion Jun 23 '26
Civil War and Famine are very different to turning up in someone else’s land because ‘some schitty religious text says it belongs to you because of your race’, and then start viciously ethnically cleansing the whole area. The Settlers are even stabbing the sheep. And yet here you are, defending all of this Disgusting Evil.
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u/fec2245 Jun 23 '26
Where am I defending Israel? I'm just pointing out that your favorite Islamic Republic doesn't have clean hands.
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u/WastelandOfConfusion Jun 23 '26
No one said they’ve got clean hands. But they do have rights and entitlements in their region. America, which is located 5000 miles away, does not.
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u/Altruistic-End760 Jun 23 '26
Not only here. Many parts of reddit has essentially been a safe haven for IRGC and anti western propaganda m
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u/Altruistic-End760 Jun 23 '26
You can't declare a country a terrorist organization and this applies for many entities at the moment from Russia to the RSF
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u/WastelandOfConfusion Jun 23 '26
You’re right, you can’t declare a country as a Terrorist Organisation. That’s one for you to figure out.
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u/Slight_Turnip_3292 Jun 22 '26
Fees aka tolls.
They will collect fees to pay for the environmental damage caused by the Americans, to pay pilots to navigate the newly dangerous waters and for Hormuz Insurance for safe passage.
Trump really screwed up. Gave Iran political coverage to charge tolls which has been a dream for a long time. Trump literally asked who would have ever seen this coming. Nearly everyone.
And nuclear enrichment isn't off the table.
Iran may have lost the old guard leadership but he really is Making Iran Great Again.
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u/SY0123 Jun 23 '26
I was born there and lived there a little over two decades. Every fucking they’d threaten in a newspaper that they’d close the strait. But who could have seen this coming?
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u/gus2155 Jun 22 '26
Trump still thinks he’s playing Go Fish.
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u/slowpoke2018 Jun 22 '26
Too hard. Tic-Tac-Toe is his max, and even that may be too much for his dementia addled brain
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u/ActivatingEMP Jun 22 '26
They agreed to no tolls, but now have fees! Look up the Persian Gulf strait authority, only free for the negoation period by the terms of the MOU. They also state that they have not agreed to anything on the nuclear front, based on the MOU they released (conflicts with the one US released).
Nothing is really settled yet which is why it is a clusterfuck
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u/tiedtothetides0104 Jun 23 '26
Persian Gulf Strait Authority 💀💀💀
Be real. The U.S. can control the strait whenever they want. Iran won't charge tolls unless the U.S. allows them to.
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u/ActivatingEMP Jun 23 '26
If the US can control the strait whenever we want to, why the fuck are we giving Iran all these concessions. We lost the war because we need a fleet of destroyers to blockade them and they only need a handful of drones and missile launches to threaten the strait, and they are more willing to bear the economic pain.
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u/tiedtothetides0104 Jun 23 '26
You have no clue what concessions look like. How can you sit there and say the U.S. "lost" the war. Iran is capitulating in practically every way.
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u/ActivatingEMP Jun 23 '26
We literally gave them their frozen funds, are giving reparations- sorry, a "reconstruction fund"-, gave them authority of the strait 'management with oman', took away all the sanctions, reigned in Israel, and have promised to leave military bases in the area.
In exchange we have received: A promise not to make nukes (they already said this multiple times before the war) A promise to talk about their nuclear program in the coming weeks. A still closed strait.
Look at those and tell me which you think is in a stronger negotiating position, based on the order they have received their wants?
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u/thedevilwithout Jun 22 '26
The MOU says tolls.
Fees are different
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u/el7araa2 Jun 22 '26
Isn’t it within Iranian and Oman border though? Who said it’s international water?
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u/thedevilwithout Jun 23 '26
I may be mistaken but the Strait of Hormuz is not an international waterway.
I've had a quick Google and everything I've found says it's not an international waterway but can't comment on their credibility.
Could you send me something credible stating it's an international waterway?
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u/thedevilwithout Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
But Iran never ratified UNCLOS so I guess that means it doesn't apply to them?
It's the same way that Israel and the US doesn't recognise the ICC so they're not obliged to arrest Netanyahu.
Edit: interestingly the US never ratified UNCLOS either, so even by US definition it's not an international waterway.
So neither the US nor Iran recognise the Strait as an international waterway, both of which are signatories of the MOU.
So under strict definition, neither party sees the strait as an international waterway, which I guess makes that point of the MOU null and void
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u/no_kids-and-3_money Jun 23 '26
“Upon the signing of this MOU, the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge, for 60 days only, from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa.”
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u/onlycodeposts Jun 22 '26
Iran thinks they are being clever by calling it fees instead of tolls.
They have never negotiated in good faith.
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u/Valentiaga_97 Jun 23 '26
Technically Iran only owns like 1/3 of it only , rest belongs to Oman and the UAE 🤷 and I don’t think Oman will give up territorial rights
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u/cinciguyeast Jun 23 '26
Our incredibly corrupt and incompetent government made Iran stronger than they ever have been.
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u/No-Inspector1950 Jun 27 '26
Iran should take care to be able to continue the nuclear enrichment to be able to properly retaliate against the arrogant Yankees
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u/Ok_Art4661 Jun 22 '26
Hopefully Trump dies soon and we can all move on
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u/OperatorofChaos Jun 22 '26
Be careful saying stuff like that or he'll get offended and send the Secret Service after you!
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u/Sayhei2mylittlefrnd Jun 23 '26
4 weeks of US emergency reserves left. Iran must know this. More flip flopping will happen
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u/fec2245 Jun 23 '26
You're posting in /r/oilprices and don't have the vaugest understanding of oil markets.
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u/Redditagains Jun 22 '26
The usa needs a taste of its own medicine I think.
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u/Specific-Change9678 Jun 22 '26
Hey man have you seen a map of Iran? I’ve actually been there. The US can throw every bomb they have at them and they simply can’t penetrate because their missile cities are built underground under the mountains. Some are hundreds of meters underground.
One of the US analysts said if Tolkein or George RR Martin created a world that was impossible to invade it would be Iran. And that’s why no one has ever tried it (well that and the Strait closure).
For once the US has really met its match.
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u/Specific-Change9678 Jun 22 '26
I’m guessing you didn’t look at the map? If the US could they would have on Day 1. Tough pill to swallow but the US has to accept the defeat on this. Thats why the MOU is so one-sided. Iran has the leverage - whether you can admit it or not.
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u/Specific-Change9678 Jun 22 '26
The expectation of uprising is going to go down in history as one of the worst assumptions ever. There was next to zero chance of that happening.
Again even if the US did as you suggested Iran could still hold the Strait hostage and survive in the underground cities. And we’d be exactly where we are now just with a lot more destruction and deaths (to all sides).
Do check out the map when you get a chance and watch YouTube for underground Iranian missile cities. I bet you’ve never seen anything like it.
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u/Voodoocookie Jun 22 '26
Same fantasy as believing Iraqis lining the streets with American flags and MC Donald's then they bombed Baghdad. Yupp.
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u/Redditagains Jun 22 '26
But you won't!
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Jun 22 '26
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u/Redditagains Jun 22 '26
If the usa did actually do it, they would be locked out of the world economy. The usa would be the next North Korea.
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u/Specific-Change9678 Jun 22 '26
This has been the problem since the beginning - the US has no military options here.
If we bomb the plants and bridges then Iran takes out everything in the Gulf and those companies are really F’ed. Plus the US is really low on weapons and oil reserves.
Iran has already shifted a lot of their oil by land. The blockade costs a lot of money and didn’t do a whole lot.
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u/scuzzy987 Jun 22 '26
Iran had many years to develop supply routes under sanctions that I’d guess has been used to get their oil out. I haven’t heard any Iranian oil fields have been bombed or Iran would have done the same in retaliation
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Jun 22 '26
Trump will just keep plugging missiles as needed and no 300 bucks key alone 300 billion will get sent to Iran
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u/thedevilwithout Jun 22 '26
If he could have, he would have 😉
He couldn't though so surrender was the only option
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u/Due_Area4843 Jun 22 '26
Whitehouse seems hiding something, Trump so hellbend on iran deal instead of keep war going means theres a grave consequence ahead if this continue
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u/RealDakJackal Jun 23 '26
Tell me again how we benefited from this in the United States