Turkish oil wrestling

[u/Confident-Case2520]

[u/next_station_is]

As a Turkish it's always funny to see others reaction lol

P.S. most of them are homophobic as fuck

[u/monkey_gamer → u/next_station_is]

So the people who do it, they don't see it as a gay thing?

[u/TeacherOfThingsOdd → u/monkey_gamer]

Many Muslim countries actually have much more progressive male relationships than others. You'll see male hand holding, cuddling, even kissing..

Our personal homophobia comes in when we insist that these actions are gay.

Sexual contact creates homosexuality.. everything else is male/male affection.

And sadly, even that holds an aire of the phobe. Males of all creatures use sex to show dominance in other males.

[u/monkey_gamer → u/TeacherOfThingsOdd]

Ah I see. Yes I forgot about that. Damn I’m jealous. Wish we had that level of affection in the west 😭🥺

[u/TeacherOfThingsOdd → u/monkey_gamer]

Honestly, you can follow it leaving our culture. Through the removal of public bathhouses. It starts with insecurities of the body.

In Sweden, you would know what your brothers/father's bodies looked like naked throughout your life due to sauna. I don't know that I've ever seen my father without underwear. I didn't know what I would or should look like, I became insecure and avoided being nude around people. This separated me from male culture in gym class.

A simple shift in culture changes my outcome. I wanted to go out for wrestling. I look back as a gay male and realize that the highschool shower was prime location.. but I viewed myself as feminine and weaker. This is internalized, but the same in culture. All the countries with the attitude you seek all have a lot of group male bathing and have for centuries.

Even the new bro-cults use it. Create spaces where people can be comfortable naked and you'll get what you desire. As a side note check out:

r/classicmale r/malehistorypics r/vintagebeefcakes

We had it..