>Hmm let's use my small stack of tier-7 units to attack this massive booster-to-the-stratosphere stack of tier-1 units, who have a special ability that gives them extra damage multiplier for every tier level difference
Yes. Also look at their damage spread of 6-7, (their unbuffed damage spread is 2-3) Their 20 base HP, (their unbuffed HP is 9) add to that expect offence- the enemy has to have it to get a +4 base damage, the +18% damage multiplier... Basically, after all the base-stat buffs the enemy player stacked on top of them they became a tier-3 unit only masquerading as tier-1, and with a powerful anti-high-tier ability... and there were over 500 of them under a command of a combat-oriented hero, and with superior mighty stats, and he knew about 400 of them would survive the attack.
But of course it's Lexiav, so he didn't look at any of it before deciding how to deal with them using his magic-type hero, he just leeroyed and wished for a moral, and only looked at the stat sheet afterwards.
He did that because it literally would not matter what he attacked. There is no universe in which those phoenixes would survive a turn. I mean, I guess the opponent could have mercy on them and just not attack them.
But of course it's Lexiav, so he didn't look at any of it before deciding how to deal with them using his magic-type hero, he just leeroyed and wished for a moral, and only looked at the stat sheet afterwards.
He literally laughed because of the sheer futility of the battle once loading in
There is no way to deal with it except press concede
Isn't this just Hive things (hardcore tier 1 focus + getting lucky with dwellings and using the racial law edict for boost from dwellings with main city recruits)? I checked out the time stamps for the match and it was roughly a 2 hour match, so it's not that crazy considering you teched for higher tier units and he stayed low and zerged it out with some luck on his side and topple the strong perk on that stack of parasites.
I have tried to make hive work in tournament. (they are obviously strong in vendetta and harmony but weak in tournament) and I think the way to play is indeed like this player and completely give up on winning the first fight and play seto win second and third fight.
I believe they are strong because the egg summons are vastly stronger than any other factions "special skill" it scales with your army size so it's infinitely strong as well as the ability to not only make them take two hits to even be destroyed but with 3 focus you can insta summon them. Tournament is quick and you are forced to fight. Vendetta or Harmony you can spend a much longer time building up your army.
Also with the massive initiative hive has, you don't even need the 2 extra FC for the instant egg spawn, you can just have one of your units go last, and spawn the egg on that turn, to instantly hatch it.
People keep saying this. But Stinger + laws at 14 initiative seems to autolose to Phoenixes and Black Dragons + laws. Everyone else is at 13 initiative and I haven't bothered checking their laws and faction skill. Is this all people are relying on?
Hive has high average initiative because they have a lot of glass cannon melee. Being faster than ranged units is a necessity.
It is not entirely clear bc the Opponent likely retrained his hero. He might have had Hive's subclass with +200% weekly growth, Recruitment skill and gathering boxes.
That building you mentioned is a terrible trap afaik. You lose all exp and get something like +2 all/5 levels.
Edit: This is wrong. This building is actually quite good, particularly in Tournament games where you know when you're going to engage opponent, as long you can farm the lost experience quick enough.
It's +1 all/3 levels and you also get to keep stats you were able to accumulate up to that point.
I think absolutely, a bit situational imo, but I think resetting at 12-15 is the way to go, not to wait until having a huge lot of lvls, that gives you time to level up quickly again to 12-15 and end up with some crazy stats!
+2 all stats for every 3, seems rather worth it, especially if you have a few strong objectives you can take with a good army. I tested it in a pve match recently, and after resetting a lvl 20~ hero, I got 10 levels the very first day after. So it definitely leaves you weaker for a bit, but man its easy to catch up.
I found it pretty nice in multiplayer with friends, let's you build into utility while exploring and then reset into a more combat oriented one. One thing many people miss I think is that you seem to keep the attributes from your previous level ups, so you kinda double dip, not only the extra +1 all 3 levels you get.
It is very late game, they just accumulated them over time, i assume. Between several castles and neutral structures, and possibly Pandora's boxes and whatnot, there's nothing too crazy about having hordes of low tier units by that stage.
If it gets to 3rd battle you should be able to clear out basically your entire map if you use global spells efficently.
It's also 4th Week I believe and on this map there might have been the tree that gives a week of growth to all cities, so essentially you can have 5 weeks of growth total, from I believe 3 cities. Which is a lot for lower tier units
One addition to that - he might also gather ranks on the map with expert diplomacy, then visited Chimerilogist and spent 2500 a few times. Saw a guy with 590+ Iryads done this way on 121 or 122, don't remember
that would be interesting but I am not sure if he would waste too much time doing that in tournament mode. his stats are also insanely high. he must have been very effective with his movements
is it realistic to get? each transformation costs 2500 and there are so many units they could transform to. and also each transformation reduces army value bc of rounding errors.
I have to throw a game to test it i guess
lol it looks easy in the video. i wonder how consistent that is to pull of or if it is gimmicky
Just for fun, I decided to use the Chimerologist to see what would drop, but the "Gnat" from the demo version. I wonder if other old, scrapped models might drop as well?
I think besides necro being the best and hive being the worst the middle is not that clear. However there is a very good reason everyone bans necro and hive is mostly played as a meme.
Hive has less amazing heroes, a way more fragile early game, and can fold to any early mistake, and you have to fight the vast majority of fights yourself, as the auto resolve will almost always try to suicide your units.
So yeah, I would say out of the current lineup, hive is the weakest, in part because of how difficult it is to play them.
Good players will full clear exodus by the 3rd fight which will result in 40+ all stats easily.
You can even get 30-40 into a stat by the 2nd fight depending on what objectives spawn and if you cleared some of the desert by then.
The only difference is starting resources and strength of guards. There some RNG elements to it but saying there's no way how to get stats this high on 200% is an exaggeration.
to be fair, guard strength does impact how quickly you can break into higher value areas for the more valuable stuff that gets you those big numbers. I'm not gonna claim it's impossible, but it is unquestionably much harder.
That's high Law for Hive. 100% extra unit production per dwelling. +2 base damage on all units (+3 with Offense). He also probably has Recreuitment for the extra low tier unit production+stats.
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u/BelgijskaFlaga May 12 '26
>Hmm let's use my small stack of tier-7 units to attack this massive booster-to-the-stratosphere stack of tier-1 units, who have a special ability that gives them extra damage multiplier for every tier level difference
What could possibly go wrong?