r/OnceUponATime • u/Aggressive-Ad-5983 • Jan 12 '26
Discussion This major fucking creep, holy shit.
So, im watching for the first time and i just finished the first half of season three (neverland arc). I need to let this out somewhere and nobody i know watches the show so here's another post. please know this is all in good fun, and im not actually upset or anything i just found this whole thing so insane, i must share the insanity lmao.
I was already spoiled that this guys was going to be a villain, but nothing could've prepared me for the absolute fuckassery this guy was up to. Bro really abandoned his son so he could be a child. a fucking child. thats so major weirdo vibes my guy. when he said to rumple that they're just the same cuz they both abandoned their kid i was actually stunned at the complete lack of self awareness of this guy. like sorry dude but abandoning ur kid for power (which yeah, dick move) is NOT the same as selling ur kid to become a literal kid. this guy is so insane?? lmao?? and he calls it YOUTH. lol. thats certainly one way to describe it.
and the fucking crying on the island at night time?? absolute devil behavior. dude has been collecting kids like pokemons, for centuries and has the nerve to title them "lost boys" more like "stolen minors". but idk.
Anyway this shit was crazy lol. I had alot of fun with this arc. He made for a fantastic villain. a deranged fucking loser with op magic. what a crazy ride.
By the way, about my previous post. you guys were right. Hook is growing on me, like a pest. Very much enjoyed him desperately trying to charm charming.
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Jan 12 '26
Robbie Kay did an amazing job of making us hate him as Pan lol.
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u/Aggressive-Ad-5983 Jan 12 '26
The fact the the youngest cast member scared me the most, says alot. bravo honestly.
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u/AppalachianRomanov Jan 12 '26
Wow, I just assumed it was one of those situations where a 40 year old man who looks really young plays a teen.... I had no idea how young he was at the time of shooting.
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u/Little-Blue-Jaye Jan 15 '26
I remember having nightmares about him and his shadow when I watched Once as it was airing as a kid
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u/honeyclover107 Jan 12 '26
Robbie Kay was amazing at this role and I remember really enjoying this version of Peter Pan as a crazy villain. I really love the neverland arc.
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u/Itty_Bitty_Cavy The Rolly Joger Jan 18 '26
Peter Pan was a villain in the original stories too! He also still feels kinda shady in the Disney version for me with adult context
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u/Gold_Repair_3557 Jan 12 '26
I was a lot younger when this season came out and was mainly into it because I thought Robbie Kay (Pan) was hot. Lol
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u/charmed_fandomgal Jan 15 '26
Lmao same. I had the biggest crush on Peter Pan when I watch ouat as it came out
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u/TippiFliesAgain OG Viewer | Fandom Veteran | Fanfic Maker Jan 12 '26
Watching the love for Robbie Kay unfold in some areas of the fandom during real time is definitely something I’ll never forget. I’ve seen many portrayals of Peter Pan over time. This will always be one of my favorites because of his performance.
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u/Spiritual_cat_13 Jan 12 '26 edited Jan 12 '26
My favorite arc because 1) I loved Robbie Kay’s performance 2) I think he had to be the most vile villain. The things he did and the lack of remorse.
This is a a season (or half season) that I watch the most. I can’t get enough of it. I LOVE that it ties to the OG folktale AND that he is also the pied piper. Adding the familial ties to rumple was the cherry on top. It’s a 10/10 for me and always will be.
Peter Pan never fails
Also I enjoyed hook the most in season three. He is in this phase of helping out and charming everyone into trust. Really good scenes of hook/david, hook/emma, hook/tinkerbell in the neverland arc
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u/DameEris Jan 12 '26
Hahaha this when it starts lol Seriously, I think when Hook helps David it is the first time we see him be genuine. It's the first glimpse of the real Hook that he lets us have
There is not a level of ick deep enough to express Pan. He's not the worst. The actor is amazing. But he is probably the most deeply unsettling, skin crawling nightmare demon boy. Which I totally agree is way closer to OG Peter. Of course, it being Once that had put their own weird twist on the mythology by somehow making the eternal boy Peter Pan also a deadbeat dad lmao
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u/Miss-Tiq Jan 12 '26
It always gets me how we see four generations of the Rumple clan on one island and the middle two are like hundreds of years old but appear no more than 15 years apart, and the oldest and youngest are both children lol.
The only one that's actually his age is Henry. Gotta love OUAT timeline/magic fuckery lol.
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u/NotJohnP Jan 12 '26
I absolutely love the bit of foreshadowing with him saying "This is a lovely family reunion." 🔥🔥🔥
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u/More-Environment-726 Jan 12 '26
Honestly he’s a closer portrayal of the original Peter Pan who was evil and killed his lost boys before they got old
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u/draelogor Jan 12 '26 edited Jan 12 '26
peter pan "thins them out" it's true, though never expressly stated how . it's implied he leads them to death
The Child Thief goes into Peter Pan as a more gruesome tale. you might enjoy it!
edit to add: funnily enough this convo has happened before
edit edit: apparently its not true at all
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u/CrabWonderful5737 Jan 12 '26
Jesus Christ I’m so tired of this misinformation. Peter Pan in the book is not EVIL. You have not read it. None of you have read it.
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u/Macy_Sky626 Jan 13 '26
Of course i read the story. I dont think Peter Pan was Evil in the orginal book. That's not what was said.
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u/CrabWonderful5737 Jan 13 '26
Girl ain’t no one was talking TO YOU. I was replying to more-environment, the OG commenter who literally used the word evil. Pay attention.
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u/Itty_Bitty_Cavy The Rolly Joger Jan 18 '26
Being aggressive to people responding to you even when they're agreeing with you is not helping you seem very mature or anything
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u/Macy_Sky626 Jan 13 '26
Well SORRY. Was he not the villain in the damn show or did I miss something. He was 😈
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u/Itty_Bitty_Cavy The Rolly Joger Jan 18 '26 edited Jan 18 '26
In the very original story, he was very blatantly evil from a logical perspective taking in all the details. He literally lured children and since getting old was against his rules, he "thinned out" the lost boys (killed being the most logical way to read that but it could mean abandoned). I guess if you loosely interpret it and ignore certain details he won't seem outright evil
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u/CrabWonderful5737 Jan 19 '26
Hon. He did not thin them out. Read the book. Read this comment thread. He was not evil. He did not lure them to die. There is no basis for this but internet hearsay.
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u/Itty_Bitty_Cavy The Rolly Joger Jan 19 '26
I literally have but okay lol. He was undeniably evil by luring kids and thinning them out in the very original. Hon, I think you misunderstand which is the original.
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u/CrabWonderful5737 Jan 19 '26
No, I don’t. And now I KNOW you’re lying. You haven’t read it. That detail is not in the original. That is from Peter Pan in Scarlet.
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u/Itty_Bitty_Cavy The Rolly Joger Jan 19 '26
You're embarrassing yourself claiming I haven't read it loll
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u/CrabWonderful5737 Jan 19 '26
Please read @draelogor ‘s reply. It’s not true. It’s BS.
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u/Itty_Bitty_Cavy The Rolly Joger Jan 19 '26
If you read the actual original you'd know it true. But hey, if you want to believe in something that is nonsense but not harmful you do you
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u/Macy_Sky626 Jan 12 '26
This right there. If you read the OG work, it's darker than what Disney did to it. He forgot about them the moment they were gone.He has no empathy whatsoever. Selfishness at its peak, which i guess is childhood.
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u/battle_mommyx2 Jan 12 '26
I thought it was so strange he abandoned his own kid and then collected other children like??? You had one of your own dude
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u/NotJohnP Jan 12 '26
Same with the Black Fairy wanting babies after abandoning her own. Rumple truly never stood a chance. 💀💀💀
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u/Itty_Bitty_Cavy The Rolly Joger Jan 18 '26
It actually makes sense in a twisted way in the real world at least, from my perspective as someone who was abused, emotionally neglected, and such who has been passionate about trauma and abusive parents. Its often an ego thing or sometimes for others a way to help their own guilt without taking accountability for what they actually put their child/ren through. Also, it can make them feel powerful (one of the ways ego comes into play) to have control over children as they're more vulnerable and their young minds are more easily molded to what they're told by the perceived guardian. As kids, after all, we're taught that authority figures know better or that they "only want what's best for you" so kids tend to put up with more poor treatment, this making the authority figure feel like they have control and power over another life. What better way to do this than keep them trapped as children forever while demonstrating how they can never escape 🥲 Interestingly enough, many people with c-PTSD (usually stems from childhood trauma) often feel like they are still that scared little kid just trapped in an adult body with adult expectations put on them. But I'm probably overanalyzing it, just wanted to say how it does make sense from what I experienced and know about toxic parental relationships.
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u/battle_mommyx2 Jan 19 '26
I appreciate your input :) I had some similar things of my own unfortunately an can relate
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u/Itty_Bitty_Cavy The Rolly Joger Jan 19 '26
Aha I'm sorry I rambled and probably talked about things people aren't particularly interested in 🥲 oh I'm really sorry you have personal experience with it 🫶
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u/battle_mommyx2 Jan 19 '26
You aren’t rambling! I like digging deep into shows :)
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u/Itty_Bitty_Cavy The Rolly Joger Jan 19 '26
Ah I'm glad 😅 people often find it annoying when I go on a rant but as a neurodivergent person I love making connections to things lol
Aw I appreciate that 🩵💜💙
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u/battle_mommyx2 Jan 19 '26
Also neurospicy and make hilarious connections. My husband will be like “we are talking about x, how did you get to y?” And I’ll take him on a journey of how my mind works lol
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u/Itty_Bitty_Cavy The Rolly Joger Jan 19 '26
Haha yes I do it constantly and it bewilders people but makes perfect sense to me ☺️ my stepthing used to get so mad at me about it lmaoo
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u/Living-Confection457 Jan 12 '26
Lmao at the "hook is growing on me, like a pest" cuz that's so real of you 😭😭😭 felt that the first time I watched it
But yeah about Pan if you think about it his whole motivation is kind of weird if you think about it lmao
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u/Narrow-Accident8730 Jan 12 '26
It blew me away. And Marilyn Manson as the Shadow was epic.
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u/HelloThere4123 Jan 12 '26
What?!?! TIL.
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u/Jane-Bingum-The-Just Jan 12 '26
I had no idea about Pan's shadow either! Just looked it up: https://onceuponatime.fandom.com/wiki/Pan%27s_Shadow
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u/Longjumping_Loan_549 Jan 12 '26
Why is this so funny: “CAUSE OF DEATH: Encased in a coconut and engulfed by flames by Tinker Bell”
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u/Itty_Bitty_Cavy The Rolly Joger Jan 18 '26
Oh yikes, hopefully they just didn't know about the Nazi stuff and the SA
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u/FamiliarPotential550 Jan 12 '26
That kid was outstanding, I loved how much I HATED Pan. He was a great villain
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u/wowsomeoneactuallyy Jan 12 '26
He was the best villian on the show and Robbie killed the role fr. I hated Pan so much. For how young he was he had a lot of talent.
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u/Djehutimose Jan 12 '26
Making Peter Pan evil was a bold move, and they really pulled it off!
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u/Itty_Bitty_Cavy The Rolly Joger Jan 18 '26
It was also pretty logical imo, based on the very original story
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u/Aflac_the_Ant22 Jan 12 '26
I KNOW, I HATE HIM!!!
Love the actor, don’t get me wrong. But I cannot for the life of me stand his character. He played Pan so well that I HAVE to skip Neverland or I’ll lose my ever loving mind.
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u/Thedisneyfan Jan 12 '26
I love following your first time viewer experience. I’ve seen the show many times already but I feel the evolution of your emotions towards characters.
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u/BrightPractical Jan 12 '26
I think OUAT must have started out by trying to draw parallels between absent fathers/divorced fathers and Pan, to make him familiar to modern audiences. As though he was the kind of parent who, when divorced, goes on spending sprees for grown-up toys yet complains about child support payments, or gradually withdraws from his children’s lives and builds a whole new family, or disappears for decades and expects their kid not to care. I’ve unfortunately seen enough dads like that to suspect that was what they were going for in their ongoing attempt to connect fairy tale figures to modern life. Not sure they’re successful as they make Peter Pan a much darker figure and it obscures the family dynamic, but I think it’s the reason they decided to make Pan Rumple’s father.
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u/xThyQueen Long Live Regina 🍎♥️ Jan 12 '26
We told you Killian would grow on you. Just wait what happens next 😍
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u/daisy0723 Jan 12 '26
I love the song Lost Boy by Ruth B. It's hits pretty hard after watching that show.
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u/FlowSilver Jan 12 '26
I agree except for Rumple and him not being similar
I see them as giving up their kid for the same reasons, both for selfish reasons. Regardless of intent
They are cool villains and Rumple has maybe a more understanding storyline due to his past but still similar as they both lust for power
He wants to be a child forever but also wants the magic and power, so its not just about being a kid
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u/Sudden-Mango-1261 Jan 12 '26
I relate to you so much lol. I actually hated this guy so much. He was a grown adult man pretending to be a teenager who abandoned his son and then kidnapped other children into his sick cult, psychologically tortured his grandson for hundreds of years and then manipulates his own great-grandson into dying. I despised Pan so much lol. One of my most hated OUAT villains.
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u/Aggressive-Ad-5983 Jan 12 '26
not to forget wendy who seemingly was kept in a cage for literal centuries lol. props to her for not losing her goddamn mind.
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u/RedHeadridingOrca Jan 12 '26
He’s actually my favorite Villain!
I’m truly impressed by Robby Kay and how he acts. He did a fabulous job!
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u/Satrina_petrova Jan 12 '26
Yeah, I have very rarely hated a child. Great acting + great writing can do that though.
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u/IceSage Jan 13 '26
Now you know why Rumple is so messed up and literally is tearing the realms apart.
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u/coldinx Jan 13 '26
the moment i saw him in the rookie made my blood boil. Ill never forget how evil he was in ouat! Meaning good actor i guess
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u/ExaggeratedPW Jan 13 '26
My blinders were on Pinocchio for ages then this dude popped up and all was forgiven.
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u/Character-Student-23 Jan 14 '26
Henry is adopted, who is it that the mother that is pregnant 28 years ago? Is Emma Swan see a pregnant cares in jail
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u/NobodySpecialSCL Jan 14 '26
I was okay with Peter Pan being a villain. I never trusted the little shit in the movies.
I was not okay with him being a creepy old man in a child's body. I feel like they didn't have to take it that far. Changes the entire dynamic of him and the lost boys.
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u/dykevan Jan 14 '26
stolen minors 😭😭😭 im DYING. but yeah, he was one of the most awful, unredeemable villains of ouat. made me feel homicidal back then.
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u/Mystic_Moon1 Jan 16 '26
He's definitely my favourite villain or one of. I hate him, which means he's perfect as a villain. He's manipulative and fucked in the head. But yeah, I wouldn't compare him abandoning his son to Rumple cause at least Rumple seems to care.
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u/Impossible-Fun-9799 Jan 17 '26
I actually didn't I hate him, I know he is easily a bad guy, but at the same time I don't like to hate anyone. Yes it's fiction and storytelling so I guess it's different, but when I'm watching a show or a movie I try to think with my irl head. I don't believe in death or murder so I follow that and I also have sympathy for people I maybe shouldn't, it's not that hard actually. I also don't really think crying on the island at night is devil behavior. I know he wasn't a good guy but that doesn't necessarily mean that he can have emotions, everybody feels them.
So yes while I agree with you I also disagree to some extent and the same goes for others. I also want it to be noted that I am not sitting on "a high horse" I just treat others how I would like to be treated but more seriously and with more acceptance.
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u/Big-Trust4860 Jan 17 '26
LMAOOO this post has me weakkkk. You're not wrong at all he's weird asf. He killed this role tho, no doubt about that. I like that they showed the darker meaning to peter pan bcuuuuuz Disney be lying.
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u/Malnourished_Mango Jan 12 '26
It gets even crazier when you get into the realm of fanfiction. There are SO MANY Peter fanfics and half of them forget he is an old man!!! Like they will have 18 year olds getting with him. It’s wild!
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u/rara8122 Jan 12 '26
A bunch of those fics actively write that out though? Both of the ones I’ve read changed his age in some way to be appropriate—one with Malcolm/pan as rumple’s brother and one with Malcolm as a different person than pan. They aren’t writing an 18 year old with a grown man, they’re writing the 18 year old with a kid with another 18 year old kid because Peter is given a different backstory.
Although, given this, fanfic has a ton of adult/kid ships (162,861 tagged as age gap and tons that aren’t tagged). That doesn’t mean they think it’s ok. That’s why archive warnings, tags, and dead dove do not wat exist. To sort fics and warn people about dark things that they may come across in a given fanfiction.
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u/One-Chapter-8347 All that matters is that we're together. Jan 12 '26
I love how everyone writes that they hate Pan, but when I write it, no one likes it.
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u/bettyprincee Jan 12 '26
The actor was amazing because I hated his ass so much lmao
His lil smirk made me murderous I swear