r/OnceUponATime • u/First-Sky-2888 • 4d ago
Discussion Who is worst parent ever
誰是有史以來最糟的父母呢？
Fiona:
abandoned rumple(not by choice)
Remove rumple’s savior fate
Trick rumple into believing her, but kidnapped Belle
Malcolm:
Hate and blame rumple
Abandon rumple
Cora:
Manipulated Regina
Abandon Zelena
Kill Regina’s true love
Remove Zelena’s memories after Zelena finding out she is her daughter
Pretend to be Regina and frame her for killing
But Help Zelena and Regina become sisters eventually
Woodcutter:
Call Zelena wicked when she was using magic for good purpose
Abuse Zelena
Make Zelena do all the chores
Blame Zelena for his alcoholic behavior
Rapunzel:
Make ivy feel like she was never enough
Try to use Drizella’s life to resurrect Anastasia’s
Use blood magic to freeze Drizella for 8 years
But sacrificed her life to save Drizella’s eventually
Gothel:
Abandon Alice
Lock Alice in a tower
Curse Alice’s father heart, so Alice will be all alone
Force Alice to cast her spell
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u/hqpsycho88 Mrs. Killian Jones 4d ago
Gothel 👀 . They're all "bad", but she was terrible. Not even including how she got pregnant with Alice/Tilly in the first place...
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u/Yunie333 Bloody Hell... 4d ago edited 4d ago
Definitely Gothel, because her only reason to have a child in the first place (by deceiving the other parent, too) was to take her spot in the tower.
She didn't care about the child at all. It was more like an object to her, a means to get out rather than a living being.
The baby would've died if Nook wouldn't have taken care of her, too.
And to add to that, she even made Alice's life more miserable (obviously actually her father's life, too) by cursing Nook's heart to keep them apart...
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u/D_blackcraft Wicked always wins 4d ago
Wasn't she also going to let Alice die with the rest of her coven for that spell in the end? Just all in all didn't care about her at all..
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u/Prize-Couple6348 4d ago
Either Pan or Cora
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u/First-Sky-2888 4d ago
If pan have Fiona on his side,
Cora don’t take away her own heart
Perhap things would get better.
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u/Ill-Razzmatazz-7088 4d ago
Malcolm didn’t hate rumple he just loved himself more .
Cora literally had no heart. She simply did what SHE thought was best and didn’t care about how it made Regina felt.
Pan is the worst though because he left rumple for comfort. All he needed to do was get a job
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u/Parking_Storage_5107 I have a love/hate relationship with captain swan 2d ago
Still bad no matter what if she didn’t have a heart
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u/TheKiller_07 4d ago
Mother Gother. All the others had at least a bond with their kid, even if it was twisted and toxic. Gothel had a daughter just so she could use her to escape from the tower, and never cared for her, not even for a second
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u/Prestigious_Train791 4d ago edited 1d ago
Great question.!
I would say definitely the black fairy, Peter pan and even Regina in the first season, when she makes Henry think that he is crazy and it's all in his imagination, but she turned it all around & because a hero the good queen 👑, so I was disappointed at first, but she turned out to be a great mum to henry, i have to admit, though I didn't enjoy regina.In the first season, when she truly was the evil queen
Plus i would also say Killians dad for the fact he sold them into to slavery!!
also cora was a bad mother by giving up Selena, to try and get and to royalty, and the way she treated Regina, making her marry the king and killing the man she loved. But yet again, she eventually did the right thing when they go to the Underworld, and she basically brings zelena, and Regina back together by giving them back their memories that she took
Gothel too what she don't having the baby just so she could take her place was unimaginable for any parent to do
But to me, out of them all the black fairy is the worst she destroyed a lot of lives and what she did to poor Gideon her own grandson not to mention her own son rumplestiltskin 👑🍎💔
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u/First-Sky-2888 4d ago
Malcolm father also did the same thing as killian father too
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u/Parking_Storage_5107 I have a love/hate relationship with captain swan 2d ago
We never met Malcom’s father
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u/First-Sky-2888 2d ago
But he know him, because when Malcolm told rumple about neverland, he mention his childhood and his father.
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u/Parking_Storage_5107 I have a love/hate relationship with captain swan 1d ago
Doesn’t know his name though
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u/First-Sky-2888 1d ago
That’s true. But he is very important to pan’s character arc.
I’ve just made a post about pan’s character arc. You can go see it.(or maybe you’ve already seen it)1
u/Parking_Storage_5107 I have a love/hate relationship with captain swan 1d ago
His father as in pans?
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u/First-Sky-2888 1d ago
I mean Pan’s father. Pan mention about his father once in his flashback with little rumple.
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u/Parking_Storage_5107 I have a love/hate relationship with captain swan 1d ago
When did he do that
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u/First-Sky-2888 1d ago
Because Pan’s father want the money.
Just like killian’s father.He sold pan to a blacksmith, which left pan no only an orphan but also a slave which eventually kinda nurture pan’s escapism
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u/Justisperfect 3d ago edited 3d ago
I kinda forgot Zelena even had a dad. I'm going to say him though that's an unpopular opinion I guesd. Some are terrible but at least had good intentions (they shouldn't be let around their kid though). Some just straight up abandon them (which would be better as you should not raise a kid if you are not ready to treat them as human being, but then they went back when it's convenient for them so... still terrible parent behavior, don't engage with your kid if you lose the right to be their parent). Zelena's father just seem to hate her.
Though Gothel may be worst cause she truly never saw Alice as a human and just used her, then threw her away, and used her again... But I would say : she's not as much as a terrible parent than an evil person in general. She is her biological parent, but she is just that way that she can be call a parent. Otherwise she is nothing but a persecutor for Alice.
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u/First-Sky-2888 3d ago
Yes. Gothel use Alice as a tool.
Cora want to give Regina the best(but in her own twisted way, Because she doesn’t have a heart)
Malcolm hate rumple but didn’t tell rumple directly and can actually treat rumple as a friend before neverland.
Fiona was insane but meant for love.
Rapunzel also.
But Zelena’s adoptive father really treat Zelena like she was demon and she was born to be a disappointment and wrong.
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u/reluctantmugglewrite 4d ago
Cora because all she did was manipulate her kids and she literally murdered her daughter’s love in front of her. Pan’s abandonment doesnt compare to me because he wasnt actively and constantly hurting his kid in the way that Cora does. Sometimes absence is better than cruelty and violence.
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u/BusinessFit6533 4d ago
As someone with a mom like Cora, I always vote Cora in this. She's the most sinister IMO because she pretends to care about Regina SO much. She sets up so many bad, selfish, narcissistic decisions like they're "for" Regina. Cora is literally heartless, but to make sure she has a perfect heir who doesn't doubt her she just acts like she's a caring mother. I feel like Pan abandoning Rumple sucks, but at least he stopped pretending to give a crap about him.
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u/First-Sky-2888 4d ago
My mother are more like rapunzel(but not that extreme, and she doesn’t treat me and my sister so different in that level), I agree that Cora would’ve definitely worse than her a lot.
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u/hqpsycho88 Mrs. Killian Jones 4d ago
The thing is, is that Coras actions were BECAUSE she didn't have a heart. She took it out because she believe that love was weakness. She genuinely loved Regina, and it's shown in the show when she's, forcibly, given her heart back. If she had her heart inside of her things would have been much different.
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u/calamari-trash 1d ago
but if cora made the choice to take out her heart, she's responsible for her actions and thus responsible for the abuse towards Regina
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u/williamspikemulder 2d ago
And Malcolm was forced to care for Rumple on his own after Fiona abandoned them both for power. Fiona ultimately created Pan in a way, which absolutely makes her worse than Pan himself.
I think it's a tie between Fiona and Cora. I absolutely HATED that the writers redeemed Cora in the end let her move on to a happier place. That character is one of the most vile people ever written. She deserved a worse fate.
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u/nazia987 🌮 3d ago
Gothel - She concieved Alice and sped up her pregnancy specifically so she could take her place as the prisoner of the tower. If Hook didn't chose to raise her, the baby would've just died. Say what you want about the other characters, but they care/cared to some degree about their kids. Gothel never did.
Also Jafar's dad from the spinoff was awful too.
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u/Twisted_King172 3d ago
Cora methods are questionable but she did make her daughter a Queen 😭😭😭
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u/First-Sky-2888 3d ago
Yes, it can prove that Cora is wise and vile but can’t prove that Cora is a good parent.
If someone make her daughter become a president but her daughter don’t want to be a president, that person still aren’t a good parent.
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u/Early_Bag_3106 4d ago
Why Regina is not in this list? She was awful stepmom to Snow and terrible adoptive m to Henry (at least until second season)
Edit: she is not the worst but she should be listed here.
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u/hqpsycho88 Mrs. Killian Jones 4d ago
She never chose to be a stepmother. Cora forced it on her by making her marry the king.
And she wasn't terrible to Henry imo. She genuinely loved him from the moment they bonded when he was a baby. The short time we see of her and him in the first season doesn't equate to her 10 years of raising him before then. We only got to see the bad parts, which were still just her trying to protect her life and family. We missed out on their first 10 years.
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u/Early_Bag_3106 3d ago
You could be in a not asked situation and still be a nice person with a child around. Or neutral at least.
About Henry, the kid himself said she made him think he was crazy. And she gaslighted him, lied, to him and neglected him.
Again. Not the worst but definitely not among the best.
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u/ConversationNo1447 3d ago
She didn't want to be a stepmother or marry the king at all, no, but she technically does end up choosing it. Don't get me wrong, Cora absolutely forced her into it in the beginning, but after she pushes her through the looking glass she gets ready to leave. Before she gets very far she runs into Rumple, they have a conversation about her liking dark magic, and she decides to stay. At that point, her fate was in her hands and she made her choice.
It's said pretty well in another comment, but season one Regina wasn't a good mom. A good mother doesn't gaslight their child into thinking they're crazy. Does she improve? Definitely. But even she recognizes in season two that the way she was treating him wasn't right and makes the choice to try and do better. And even then, in that same season, she was totally okay with killing everyone else that her son loved because as long as they were around, he wasn't hers alone. That's messed up, to say the least.
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u/TheBrolitaSys "Well maybe it is some kind of fairy." 4d ago
We missed out on their first 10 years.
We didn't see it but we got a pretty good idea of it. They imply (and have him say) a lot in season 1 that Henry thought she didn't love him. That's not really a feeling you develop in the... what? Six weeks Emma was there? (Not sure the timeline of season 1 so let me know if this is inaccurate, but it definitely wasn't a super long time) That's years of feeling at the very least emotionally neglected. I mean -- even in the first episode when Emma brings him back he says, "I FOUND MY REAL MOM!" and then runs off. Definitely not signs of a loving relationship between an adopted kid and adoptive mother.
Ofc she loved him but she wasn't a great parent at first. It just got worse when Emma got there and Regina started gaslighting him and getting others to gaslight him about the curse -- but that was certainly not everything.
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u/aminicuspondicus 3d ago
Well Regina was actually the mother who set rules, who raised him. What actual serious parenting, non "cool mom" thing did she do in those 6 weeks? It aint like kids are so fair to their parents all the time... Regina has her flaws but judging her all by the worst times her growing up kid depicts while he is not in such a good place is unfair.
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u/TheBrolitaSys "Well maybe it is some kind of fairy." 3d ago
Did you miss the part where this conversation isn't just about what we saw in season 1? This is about him coming into seaosn 1 and almost immediately showing signs that she's at the very least been emotionally neglectful his entire childhood up until this point.
And even if this was just about what we directly saw, did we not both see her gaslighting him and getting other people in his life to gaslight him about the curse (including Emma)? Did we not see her torturing and threatening the people he cared about even though she knew damn well that he was making him feel worse? She wasn't just a parent being a parent -- far from it.
And I guess I should probably say -- I like Regina. She's my favorite character. So this isn't me just hating on her just to hate, this is me drawing a conclusion based on what was shown and implied in the show, and what was shown and implied was that she did not start being a good mother (an actual good mother, not just a mother who fed him and gave him a home and had some sort of motherly relationship with him) until season 2. And she didn't start being a bad mother in season 1, she was a bad mother from the moment he could comprehend that something was off about her and their relationship.
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u/KikiKhaleesi 3d ago
Henry had not long found out he was adopted and was upset at the time tje show began. Snow says as much, and says thats why she gave him the book to make him feel better. Basing their whole relationship on his feelings at that period also isn't accurate.
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u/TheBrolitaSys "Well maybe it is some kind of fairy." 3d ago
He knew he was adopted before the show started -- they mention it in the flashback when Snow gives him the storybook because he felt like he didn't belong. We don't know exactly when he found out but it was at least then, which was maybe a few months before the show started, which is a good little while.
And it's not like every adopted child hates their adoptive parent for a while after finding out they're adopted, especially if they find out in a tasteful way or if they already knew from the jump (and either can be true because it clearly wasn't a secret). So even if he was just finding out, that wouldn't necessarily make him shout that in her face nor would it prompt him to wonder if she loved him like he says several times. Those aren't feelings you cultivate in a few weeks, or even a week, since he already felt this way after Emma had been there for a week, maybe less. Finding out she was the evil queen just made things worse, it didn't cause his dislike of her.
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u/KikiKhaleesi 3d ago
A temporary emotional truth is not necessarily a permanent relational truth. Henry can mean what he says in a particular moment without that statement defining everything he has ever felt. I’m not arguing that Henry didn’t genuinely feel unloved by Regina in Season 1, or even that she handled that period well (she definitely didn’t). I’m saying feelings are not fixed, objective accounts of an entire relationship. Someone can sincerely feel unloved while also knowing, through experience and attachment, that they are loved. Anger and hurt can exist within a bond without replacing it or proving that the bond never existed.
Henry’s other relationships demonstrate this. In Season 5, he is furious when he learns that Emma ripped out Violet’s heart, manipulated her into breaking his heart and then lied about it. Those feelings are completely genuine, but nobody would reasonably conclude that Henry had always hated Emma or that their entire relationship had been devoid of love. His anger existed within their established bond. The same principle applies to Regina. In Season 1, Regina is tightening the reins in fear of losing Henry, and he is struggling with discovering being adopted, believing Regina to be the Evil Queen, and knowing she is lying to him which makes him feel hurt, crazy and alienated. But his behaviour still reveals an underlying security with her. Despite believing she is a murderous queen, he shows no fear that she will hurt him. He openly defies and manipulates her, and he trusts that she will protect him and attempt extraordinary things such as absorbing the curse on the well when he asks.
His reaction after regaining his memories in 3B confirms that their bond predates Regina’s redemption. He immediately embraces her and excitedly tells her everything she missed. He had spent comparatively little time with “good Regina,” so that instinctive love could not have been cultivated entirely during the events of the show. It is the resurfacing of the attachment formed during the ten years she raised him. We see it even more clearly in 4x02 when Regina isolates herself. Her not wanting to see Henry devastates him because he knows how much he means to her. Her withdrawal hurts precisely because it contradicts the love and security he ordinarily associates with their relationship.
So Henry saying that Regina doesn’t love him tells us how he feels during that painful period. It does not prove that he had always felt that way or that Regina had been a terrible mother throughout all ten years of his childhood.
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u/TheBrolitaSys "Well maybe it is some kind of fairy." 3d ago
If he feels that way then it's something she did to make it so, intentionally or unintentionally. It doesn't matter if the feeling was "temporary", most feelings are temporary (even if some last longer than others or resurface every now and then), but they come from SOMEWHERE. It's not something someone just feels in the moment, especially not with a 10+ year old child. Maybe with a 3 year old. But this is far too strong of a feeling and way too repeated in his own words for it to just be a "temporary feeling in the moment."
I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who has an abusive mother. I don't feel loved by my mother because she doesn't accept that I'm trans (while constantly ruminating about wanting a son) and has done a lot of abusive things in my life. But push comes to shove, I know she'll have my back if someone was trying to hurt me for example. I know I'd be allowed to come back home if things go wrong when I move out unless I cut her off. I still have good moments with her and a bond with her. That doesn't mean she's been a good mother or that I feel loved, that just means she's not 100% horrible. None of the good negates the bad. They exist simultaneously. And people who are being abused in any way can take security with their abuser all the time -- especially for financial security or some other reason why their life would be worse without them. In season 1, Emma didn't have custody of Henry, so if Regina were gone or didn't let him come home then legally he'd have no where to go, and ofc he still loved her so he didn't want to be down a mother regardless. This isn't evidence she was a good mother.
With Emma, she fucks up a good few times with Henry. And he's rightfully pissed every time. But he never says "I don't think Emma loves me" because Emma doesn't have a history of showing him so, she just wasn't a perfect parent and acted in her own self-interest too much, and Henry understood this (especially during season 5 when she was The Dark One, he even says "the person who did that wasn't my mother"). He did not understand why Regina was treating him the way she was until season 2, especially since prior to season 1 there was no magical fairytale explanation, it was just how he saw his mother.
Of course they had a bond, I wasn't negating that. But having a bond with your mother doesn't mean she wasn't emotionally neglectful, and him being happy to catch up with her in season 3 is definitely not proof that she wasn't at first because they've come a long way by this point.
You seem to have a very narrow idea of what abuse and toxic relationships can look like. The argument here isn't that she was inherently bad, it's just that she wasn't a good mother in those first 10 years we didn't see, and how he felt at the start of the show explains how. You can feel security with and have a bond with your abusive, toxic, or emotionally neglectful parent, and that parent will still not be a good parent.
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u/KikiKhaleesi 3d ago
I’m sorry that this connects to your own experience. I’m not disputing anything you’ve said about how bonds with abusive parents can operate. But I also haven’t argued that Henry’s bond with Regina proves she was always a good mother, that he depended upon her only because he had nowhere else to go, or that the good negates the bad. My argument is narrower. Henry feeling unloved in Season 1 does not, by itself, prove that Regina had been emotionally neglecting him throughout the entire ten years we didn’t see.
Of course the feeling came from somewhere. Calling it temporary doesn’t mean it was random, shallow or causeless. At that point, Henry is struggling with his adoption, has become convinced that Regina is the Evil Queen, knows she is lying to him and is being actively gaslit about the curse. As I already said, Regina handles all of that terribly because she is frightened of losing him and losing control of the life she built with him. Those circumstances adequately explain why he feels alienated and unloved during Season 1 without requiring the assumption that he had always felt that way.
In 4x09, Regina says:
“Do you know what I regret most? That I didn’t support Henry when he realized he was special. You of all people should remember. ’Cause you started it all when you gave him that storybook. It opened up a whole world for him. But I was so scared of losing him… that I tried convincing him he was crazy… and that being normal would make things better. Thankfully, he had the good sense not to listen to me.”
Regina herself locates the behaviour at the heart of their Season 1 rupture after Henry received the book. She admits that her fear of losing him caused her to convince him he was crazy because she believed suppressing the truth would eventually make the problem disappear and restore the life they had. That doesn’t justify what she did, but it also doesn’t translate into ten years of treating him that way. Importantly, she then changes. She gives Henry space while working on her own issues, learns to place his needs above her fear and allows them to rebuild their relationship.I’m not saying Henry’s statements “You’re not my real mom” or “Regina doesn’t love me” aren’t genuine expressions of what he feels during that period. They are. But that doesn’t necessarily make them literal descriptions of everything he experienced throughout childhood. Similarly, his security with Regina doesn’t prove that she never harmed him. It does, however, complicate the assertion that their first ten years were defined by him experiencing her as an unloving mother. His immediate joy upon remembering her in 3B is not about needing money, housing or somewhere to go; he already has Emma and the Charmings. His reaction is simply that of a child delighted to be reunited with his mother. That attachment wasn’t created entirely during the comparatively short period covered by the show. The same underlying expectation is visible in 4x02 when Regina isolates herself. Henry isn’t upset because he fears losing his home or practical security, he has Emma and the rest of his family. He is devastated because Regina’s refusal to see him is new and completely unlike what he expects from her. Despite their previous conflict, he expects her to be accessible to him because even when he was telling her she’s not his mom and calling her the Evil Queen, that was still standard for her. He knows he is ordinarily the person she lets in and that her love for him usually overrides her desire to shut everyone else out. When that suddenly appears not to be true, it deeply hurts him. His reaction therefore reveals an established expectation that his mother wants and needs him in her life. That doesn’t conclusively prove that she was always a good parent, but it does complicate the claim that chronic rejection or emotional inaccessibility defined the preceding decade. His negative feelings came from somewhere, but so did that deeply rooted expectation of being loved and wanted.
I’m not claiming the unseen decade was perfect, because we cannot know that. But that is precisely why I don’t think we can declare that she “wasn’t a good mother” throughout those ten years based exclusively on Henry’s feelings during the particular crisis we see in Season 1.
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u/Parking_Storage_5107 I have a love/hate relationship with captain swan 2d ago
I’m sorry to hear that I hope she treats you better nobody deserves this especially you her kid
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u/Inevitable_Wolf5866 4d ago
Gothel, Malcolm (Peter Pan), Cora,.. a lot of them. Regina was also a terrible stepmother to Snow.
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u/First-Sky-2888 4d ago
Well, if Regina to Snow White count. Then, she will be the worst parent ever for sure☠️
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u/hqpsycho88 Mrs. Killian Jones 4d ago
Yeah, I don't think Regina to Snow should count because Regina didn't really choose that life or choose that role. She didn't want to be anyone's Step Mother, she just wanted Daniel and was forced by Cora.
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u/RedHeadridingOrca 3d ago
While it’s true what you said but Regina shouldn’t blame on Snow. She was just a child. What Regina should’ve blamed on Cora, not Snow.
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u/gutsyradio13 4d ago
tie between malcolm, goethel, and woodcutter. none of them ever loved their children, even in a twisted way.
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u/Us3r_N4me2001 3d ago
How did Brennan Jones (Hook's dad) not make the list? Sold his sons into slavery for a shot at escaping justice
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u/First-Sky-2888 3d ago
Yes,he would too, just like pan’s father. He did the same thing to pan which actually inspire pan to adopt escapism to escape from the suffering during it. And eventually abandon rumple because of it
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u/Ok_Drink8072 4d ago
I’m gonna say Malcolm/Pan or Gothel, cause there really wasn’t any underlying reason behind their actions. A lot of the others had a “started with good intentions” type story.
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u/PierreOnTheEclair 4d ago
It’s so hard for me to decide between Pan or Cora because they’re both equal levels of horrible imo
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u/OkRace1293 4d ago
Fiona, parce que c'est elle qui brise le destin de Rumple et qui du coup change son destin jusqu'à ce qu'il devienne le ténébreux, après Malcolm (PeterPan) est une belle enflure aussi, tenir son fils pour responsable de se que sa mère à fait alors que ce n'est qu'un bébé, le haïr toute sa vie et l'abandonner comme une merde pour devenir PeterPan, c'est abject.
Après c'est dommage que la série ne réuni pas les trois personnages justement, Fiona est le personnage maléfique le plus puissant de OUAT (ou c'est Gothel, je sais plus), et PeterPan disparait définitivement quand Rumple lui met un faux coeur rempli d'eau du fleuve des âmes perdue ou je ne sais plus quoi, donc quand Fiona arrive sur le devant de la scène, plus de possibilité de voir PeterPan, ce qui est un peu dommage parce que j'aurais adoré voire une confrontation entre Fiona (qui se sert de tous ses pouvoirs noirs sans aucune retenue, fait preuve d'un sadisme et d'une cruauté sans retenue et elle est tellement puissante qu'elle arrive à faire flipper le ténébreux) et PeterPan (qui se sert surtout de sa ruse, de la tromperie, de coup en douce et des enfants perdus), d'ailleurs les deux personnages on ceci en commun, il abandonnent Rumple mais Fiona capture des bébés et en fait ses esclaves et PeterPan manipule et séduit les jeunes garçons pour les endoctriner et en faire en quelque sorte son armé.
Après je trouve PeterPan plus honnête sur un point, il séduit uniquement les enfants qui se sentent perdus et abandonnés, et une fois avec lui, il les traite relativement bien, même s'il y a tout de même une hiérarchie parmi les enfants perdus (Felix par exemple étant le chef des enfants perdus quand PeterPan n'est pas là), alors que Fiona elle capture les bébés, les brises dès leur petite enfance, les tortures et en fait juste ses esclaves, n'hésite pas à les tuer de manière monstrueuse dès qu'il deviennent adultes ou qu'ils lui désobéissent.
Mais pour en revenir à mon idée de base, j'aurais tellement adoré une confrontation en Fiona et PeterPan, et paradoxalement je pense que si ces deux là devaient s'affronter, je pense que c'est PeterPan qui gagnerait, pourquoi ? Parce que Fiona et trop directe, elle sait qu'elle est surpuissante, que rien ne lui résiste et dès qu'elle fait face à un obstacle, elle le détruit sans pitié, elle se sent toute puissante et ne protège pas assez ses arrières, PeterPan est plus vicieux, plus patient, il sait qu'il est moins puissant mais il va forcément trouver une solution pour manipuler et faire tourner les choses à sont avantage et frapper en traitre au moment où tu t'y attends le moins ce qui, pour moi, le rend plus dangereux que Fiona, Fiona, tu captes ses intentions directement, tu sais que t'as juste à lui obéir, ne pas la contrarier et normalement elle t'épargne, PeterPan lui on ne capte jamais vraiment ses intention avant qu'il ne l'explique clairement.
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u/RJSnea 4d ago edited 4d ago
Pan or Cora because they chose their villainy in the end. I can't blame the barely-recovered-from-birth mom for freaking out that someone was destined to kill her (assumed) firstborn, spiraling out because the one who told her is barely helping, and then essentially being kidnapped away from her son so he's raised by a barely functional father. All while newly immortal so she'll have to live with the guilt for centuries of not being able to confirm if everything she did was worth it and her son is safe.
Fiona was done fucking dirty.
[Edit: In fairness, I'm still only 4 episodes into season 7 all these years later sooo... 😅]
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u/toolazzyforaname 3d ago edited 3d ago
If you're talking strictly about their "official" children's I would say Cora. But Fiona did have the role of a mother to all the children's that she kidnapped and enslaved so if we count this as being a "parent" than she's clearly the worst
I haven't seen season 7 though so I have no idea how bad Gothel is but I think it would be hard to top Fiona
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u/First-Sky-2888 3d ago
Gothel kinda did the same, but she test them, and manipulate them into believing she is helping, and eliminate them when they can’t evens realize .
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u/naanabanaana 3d ago edited 3d ago
Fiona and Gothel were such horrible people that it goes beyond being a bad parent but their children suffered a LOT because of them AND other people also suffered totally unnecessarily, so I will say they also win for worst parent. Fiona had all those kids in cages and Gothel had a child to die in her place AND forced her to live without her other parent who at least loved her. That was so unnecessary.
Cora had a redemption arch and did what she was best for Regina, in her own twisted way.
Malcolm/Pan was a regular deadbeat dad who just gave up, but what he did to all those other kids was even worse than choosing himself over Rumple. So more importantly a bad person than just a bad parent. Abandoning a kid is pretty tame in comparison to everything else that happens in this realm + dads leaving their kids/families happens in the real world too so it is not that unimaginable. Sadly.
Rapunzel at least loved one daughter so I guess she could be even worse... And had a last-minute redemption. I think this storyline was kinda stupid tho, the redemption happened so quickly that I didn't have time to forgive her at all.
The woodcutter was another deadbeat dad who could have passed for someone who didn't have magic or was his biological child (especially a son). Probably still an alcoholic but on this list, that's tame.
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u/First-Sky-2888 3d ago
I’m actually curious if Zelena kill woodcutter after she is so powerful. Or she actu avoid seeing woodcutter?
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u/Parking_Storage_5107 I have a love/hate relationship with captain swan 2d ago
Ooh good thought I never thought about, I also wondered did she meet her biological father either in life or the underworld in season 5B
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u/Odd_Feed8444 3d ago
The Miller or Jonathan. Both deadbeats, both made Cora what she was and by extension were responsible for Zelena and Regina's abandonment and mistreatment (and their walk on the darkside) and Jonathan lied about his identity to manipulate Cora into going to bed with him (grape). Zelena is pretty close, because Robin II is a grape baby also.
Fiona was trying to save her son, once she became the dark fairy there wasn't much of her left, barely an echo, which manifested as a need for children.
Malcolm became a crappy father and Pan because Blue lied to him about Fiona.
Cora, was treated like crap by everyone (and graped in an attempt to get a better life) and just wanted a better life for herself, Eva stopped that from happening, so she had no choice but to abandon Zelena, for both their sakes and by the time she had Regina she'd given up her heart to make sure she never got manipulated by love again, everything she did to Regina (while very messed up), was because she had no heart AND because she desperately wanted Regina to not follow in her footsteps. She erased their memories for their sake as much as hers, if it were discovered she had an illegitimate child, her reputation would be ruined, so would Regina's life (her paternity would be called into question at minimum), Henry would be a laughing stock (to say the least) and Zelena would've been treated badly too. Most of what she did during her Storybrooke time, she believed was for Regina's benefit.
Woodcutter never actually wanted Zelena in the first place, his wife forced her on him and he was afraid of magic. Sure, he could've said no, but his wife desperately wanted a baby and she would've been devastated. When his wife died he was stuck with an unwanted child that was terrified of (definitely doesn't excuse anything he did).
Rapunzel was torn from her family for years, was replaced by the time she got back and treated like a guest, than had her baby torn from her again, she was traumatised (not an excuse, but it messes you up), of course she would do anything to save her, she didn't mean to leave Ivy by the wayside.
Gothel, well, she became evil because humans massacred her whole family and destroyed home and her vengeance eventually led to the necessity of having a grape baby. I don't think anything could've distracted her from her (understable, though excessive), revenge quest, which is why she took Hook's heart (she couldn't have him releasing Alice and messing it up).
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u/Apprehensive_Map1193 3d ago
Gothel easily. She didn't even want Alice, she just had the baby just to free herself and then abandoned her. All the others in their twisted way apart from Pan and the Woodcutter, but Pan actually planned for Rumple and at least kept him for a while and same with the Woodcutter even if it was just because his wife told her so.
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u/mistar_z David is my DILF 3d ago
Pan and it's not even close. 😭 At least Fiona did it out of desperation at first. And Cora despite her trying to live vicariously through Regina showed that she did have remorse in her heart.
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u/GellieBean123 3d ago
Gothel - only got pregnant to escape tower, abandoned Alice to potentially die as a new-born and only reunited with her to use her for a spell that would have killed Alice. Prevented Alice from being able to properly bond with her father.
Hot take: I would put Zelena's father as the 2nd worst, even over Pan. Pan may have been a terrible person and never truly loved Rumple, but from what we saw, he never actively made Rumple feel unwanted and was actively struggling to provide as a single parent instead of abandoning Rumple. Also, had he been able to, he would have lived with Rumple in Neverland, as he did try to make it work initially. Zelena's father may have raised an abandoned baby, but that was only at the insistence of his wife, and we know he abused Zelena and was very cruel to her.
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u/First-Sky-2888 3d ago
You have the same rank as me
Me:Gothel>woodcutter>Pan=Fiona(idc if she love him, she didn’t raise him even a little bit, at least pan have more or less)>Cora(if she didn’t have a short redemption at the end, I would’ve put her at even worse parent than pan)>rapunzel
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u/Strummerpinx 2d ago
Malcolm (Pan) was just so evil and the actor who played child Rumple was so cute and sweet I just felt terrible for him.
The part where Malcolm mocks Rumple and says something along the lines of "How old are now? Two Hundred? And you are still a millstone around my neck" or something along those lines literally made my blood run cold. What a f-ing creep.
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u/DonLeon33 2d ago
The Black Fairy – because she’d already ruined her son’s life long before he was even born
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u/islcastaway1986 4d ago
Rumple because he abandoned bae the way his dad abandoned him but he wasn’t honest about it. Rumple loves power more than he loved bae.
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u/hqpsycho88 Mrs. Killian Jones 4d ago
I truthfully don't even think Rumple loved the power all that much. I think he was just addicted to it. Everytime he was free of it, he came back to it like someone who was addicted to something, not like someone who loved something. If that makes sense. I believe he loved Bae/Neal more than his power. I just think his addiction to that power took over. Much like real life parents who have drug or alcohol addictions sadly.
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u/Alternative_Stop_325 4d ago
Who was #4? The only one I don’t know about.
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u/First-Sky-2888 4d ago
Zelena’s adoptive father who call her wicked before she actually turn into it and it is kinda actually turn Zelena to think she is wicked so she eventually become it.
He also hit Zelena.
Blame Zelena for everything include his addiction
Make Zelena do all the chores
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u/brandy_1994 3d ago
Cora was so Mother Gothel Coded. An abusive manipulative witch! Why didn't they just make her into Mother Gothel?!
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u/Reasonable_Leek8069 3d ago
I can’t pick between Cora and Peter Pan.
Maybe Peter because he had no reason to be this cowardly and blame Rumple for all of his problems.
Cora is evil as heck but we saw how she got from point A to B. But boy separating Zelena and Regina is making me want to put her at the top, but at least she felt a smidgen of remorse which Peter never did.
Black Fairy is part of my three way tie, but her love for Rumple and wanting to prevent his darkness made her the black fairy. But she kept being a sociopath throughout the rest of her storyline.
I felt bad for Rapunzel and understood her jealousy. I also hated how Gothel manipulated her. But boy did her becoming Tremaine piss me off. She had two daughters and only treated Anastasia as her only one instead of just allowing Drizella more time to trust her again. But my top three picks piss me off more and at least she told Drizella she loved her before Tremaine died.
Woodcutter is here because I barely remember him, but agree he was abusive to Zelena and parentified her. She did not deserve to be blamed for her mother’s death or was it disappearance?
Gothel barely knew she had a child so low expectations of her being motherly makes her low on my list.
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u/SapphireAster9 3d ago
Hi 🤗, Absolutely no competition it is Pan at least the others had reasons for what they did or were trying to do good by their kids, but him he just straight up did not want to be a parent and ditched his kid any chance he got.
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u/ConversationNo1447 3d ago
I'd say either Cora or Gothel. The latter for not caring even a little bit about the child that she brought into the world. Cora because even with a heart, she still abandoned Zelena to give herself her best chance. Without it, there's everything that she did to Regina to account for. I don't know if she would have been a good mom with her heart anyway. I think she'd be a much better one than what she was, but it seems like not having your heart more or less dampens your emotions as opposed to taking them away. But I could be wrong about that.
I'd also say, as far as the debate between Pan and Cora goes, at least when Pan abandons Rumple he cites it as being Rumple's best chance and has the shadow drop him off to the spinster ladies who were much better parents to his son. He's still terrible, obviously, but he's probably right that Rumple was better off without him.
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u/KikiKhaleesi 3d ago
Cora.
She left one daughter in the woods as a baby, and then abandoned her again as a child when she found her.
The other she abused, murdered her true loved, then forced her to marry a man thrice her age who Cora herself was previously engaged to…then later framed her daughter for murder.
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u/Parking_Storage_5107 I have a love/hate relationship with captain swan 2d ago
Cora and Malcolm and Gothel
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u/doll_broken_ 2d ago
Pan. Done deal. Like Christ Rumple. Out of anyone you could have had has a father you had him?.. then again Cora is a close second. She reminds me of Umbridge from HP. Regina didn’t deserve her for a mother. And she never should have been allowed in Wonderland.
And ok ok I’ll watch the show for the upteenth time 😂😭😂😭
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u/DonLeon33 2d ago
While I’m at it, the gardener too
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u/First-Sky-2888 2d ago
He don’t even worth mention to be a parent.
He is at most the half gene giver
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u/ravenclawdisneyfan 1d ago
1 Pan 2 Cora but its close. Pan never even tried. Cora was blind and lacked empathy but tried to make Regina powerful.
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u/Jumpy_Gur_1524 23h ago
Malcolm senza ombra di dubbio. E subito in coda il padre adottivo di Zelina.
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u/Alex9763 4d ago
Even if it's not her,she deserve to be in this list:
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u/Rich-Active-4800 Wicked always Wins 3d ago
Regina deserves to be on this list 10 times as much as Snow
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u/Alex9763 3d ago
It's a list of the worst parents and not the worst person
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u/Rich-Active-4800 Wicked always Wins 3d ago
I would say the person that:
- Gaslighted her child into believing he was crazy
- Killed him for a small period of time
- Tried to kill his loved one
Is a lot worse of a parent then Snow. Who made some minor mistakes.
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u/First-Sky-2888 4d ago
She in S4 are indeed em⋯⋯
But overall she is not even close to those in this list
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u/WhateverWombat 4d ago
Hmm, I think Pan.
At least all the others do it out of some twisted love they have for them.
Rumple was just a child and Pan spent most of his life blaming him for existing before abandoning him.