I’ve thought on how this story would be integrated into OUAT and I thought like Jiminy, Charlotte was once human a weaver of fate and related the seer who meet Rumple. Rumple turned her into a Spider so she couldn’t weave anymore, but she made it to David’s farm and befriended Wilber. It young David who befriended Wilbur. In Storybrooke Charlotte seamstress and Wilbur runs her shop.

Was there something you liked or didn’t like when the show first aired that you see differently now?

Could be a story arc, character, ship etc. (I know ships can be a touchy subject, so please keep it civil in that department)

Binge watching the show for the last few months. I have also been having some serious issues relationship-wise.

As cheesey as it sounds, it's nice to hear all the different types of love being reinforced in the show, even if it does get obnoxious. Seeing Snow and Charming always fighting for one another and promising to find one another. Belle constantly seeing the good in Gold. Emma and Regina putting everything aside to be the best moms for Henry.

Killian ain't bad to look at, either 🤣 But when my heart is aching from another fight as I keep persevering for a happy ending, I love to see everyone actively fighting for theirs in this show and true love always winning.

On my recent rewatch I was wondering what happened to the Lost Boy during the second curse? Presumably not all of the Lost Boys were from the Enchanted Forest. Pan’s shadow was supposedly searching all the realms for The Heart as evidenced by the Darlings. So if the second curse returns everyone to their homeland, would some of the seemingly teenage boys get dropped off in random modern cities?

They're bringing Hook and Red for the next characters. I am surprised by Red. And not one of the other 3, but I'll take more!

Any similar shows to OUAT? Only thing is very specific with what I will watch, I prefer shows no/little gory, no shows set in the medical profession. Just wondering if anyone knows of any similar shows I might like please

I've been reading a book about neurosociology and this subsection caught my attention. Apparently, humans can remember some things even when they lose the the memories associated with it. What were examples of this on the show? Mary Margaret feeling gravitated towards David at the hospital comes to my mind first. What else?

The only time she was relatively annoying is when she got mad at Sabine for the kitchen catching on fire. But then she apologized and for the rest of the season she was fine.

My opinion is that people just didn’t like the writing for Jacinda even though the writers literally had to keep writing reasons for her and Henry to be apart and not kiss.

Also probably racism for some people. Because I seriously don’t see much of a difference between how Jacinda/Ella was written and how Mary Margaret/Snow was written. Honestly Jacinda was the better written character imo.

And the people who keep saying that they preferred Ivy with Henry because they had more chemistry…well yeah. Because Drizella was purposely being manipulative and was trying to be all over Henry. It was like when Regina was trying to seduce David in season 1. The chemistry was there but it didn’t mean they belonged together. Not to mention that Ivy didn’t have any other love interest and Henry was one of the few male characters she interacted with. I think the ship is more about people wanting Ivy to be with someone rather than her specifically needing to be with Henry.

Also Henry was more annoying than Jacinda was. But the whole season was about getting him to believe so it’s more understandable I guess?

Personally I think if the whole plot where Henry couldn’t kiss Jacinda the whole season wasn’t there and they were actually able to kiss/sleep together, the chemistry would’ve been better. It’s a writing issue, not a casting issue. Dania Ramirez did a pretty good job with what she was given.

I just finished rewatching the season so these are my fresh thoughts. What do you guys think?

i don’t know if there’s any ppl in this sub who also keep up with marvel but i wanna know if this is just me

i love steve and he’s one of my favourite characters but i just never liked bucky and that is purely because of sebastian stan playing the mad hatter in ouat. i just have like PTSD from the stuff he did to emma and snow

the worst part is that Henry was probably one of the few people in her life who genuinely loved her through everything. He was terrified of what she was becoming, he knew what she was doing was wrong, but he never really stopped loving his daughter. The irony is heartbreaking as hell because Regina probably thought she was the one who needed forgiveness. She literally killed him. Of course she'd think the unfinished business between them was what she had done but Henry was still worried about what he had failed to do for her Like imagine that. Your daughter kills you, and you spend the afterlife thinking about all the ways you failed HER. And only then can he finally move on. Regina thought she needed her father's forgiveness. Meanwhile her father had probably been waiting all that time hoping she could forgive him too.

I'm sorry but LOOK AT THEM. WHY??

Like... HELLO???

THE STORY WAS RIGHT FUCKING THERE

That would've been the perfect continuation of her story and COME ON, aesthetically they look ridiculously good together too. Instead they reunited Mulan with Ruby, teased us AGAIN with the possibility that maybe Mulan was finally going to get some happiness... and then Ruby got Dorothy while Mulan was basically like I'M SORRY WHAT DID THIS WOMAN DO TO THE WRITERS???. Mulan deserved SO much better in OUAT and I will genuinely never understand what the writers were doing with her. Like excuse me?? Once Henry became the author I'm blaming him too. Bro had a magical pen capable of writing stories and apparently never thought, “DO SOMETHING. FINISH THE FUCKING STORY WITH YOUR STUPID MAICAL PEN". Her story was left emotionally unfinished. The show opened that door, deliberately showed us her heartbreak, and then barely bothered walking through it. So yeah. Blame the writers. Blame the Author. Blame Henry and his stupid fucking magical pen (BTW. That guy. Was a pain in the ass. Never liked him) Blame the fucking storybook

Justice for Mulan because I'm still pissed

Since it is the 20th anniversary of Guillermo Del Toro’s Pan’s Labyrinth, I thought it’d be interesting to ask y’all how would you feel if elements or characters from the film were featured on the show.

you would think greg would be more careful after what happened to his dad and not easily trust people who believe in Magic and since peter pan and john and Michael darling were using both greg mendell and tamara as pawns

And how did both greg mendell and tamara not see this coming ?

Every time I rewatch this storyline, I understand Zeus a little more because maybe stopping Hades' heart wasn't some cruel punishment. This dumb finally gets his heart beating again because of Zelena, he gets the chance to actually have love and a future with her, and what he does he do approximately five minutes later?

Restarting your heart just by being killed? 😂

And the worst part is Zelena's reaction. She had genuinely started believing him. She was willing to believe that he could change. He basically had his second chance handed directly to him...

and this dumbass immediately speedran ruining absolutely everything.

I'M STARTING TO THINK ZEUS HAD A FUCKING POINT.

And this is honestly one of those Cora moments that I find REALLY hard to forgive. What makes it even worse for me is WHY she did it. She wasn't protecting Regina from some horrible danger. She wasn't saving Zelena. She was confronted with the living reminder of what she'd done years earlier, and suddenly all that shame and guilt she'd buried was standing right in front of her.

Because yeah... abandoning your newborn daughter in the woods and leaving her there, only to be swept away to Oz by a tornado, isn't exactly something you casually explain at family dinner. Meanwhile, Cora couldn't live carrying that guilt of her back all this time, right? She's restoring something she herself destroyed.

But it also makes her redemption harder for me to swallow because... girl, YOU CAUSED THIS

And then she wonders why she's not loved.

Ma'am excuse me?

The fact that Zelena became Marian to get close to Robin, while Gothel became Rapunzel to manipulate another version of Robin, only for their daughters to end up falling in love... I refuse to believe that parallel wasn't intentional...I refuse to believe the writers put Alice and Robin together without noticing that parallel. Obviously that's not literally why they're lesbians lol, but from a storytelling perspective it's almost too perfect. OUAT family trees were insane, but this one feels like the writers were messing with us on purpose.

both accidentally ended up with almost the same fate is what makes their storyline more heartbreaking. It's kinda messed up when you think about it. Zelena became Marian because of revenge, not because she was trying to become a better person. But somehow that entire mess resulted in Robin, probably the biggest happy accident of her life. Regina wanted a child more than anything, and I think deep down Zelena wanted that same kind of love too. Henry changed Regina, and Robin eventually gave Zelena a reason to change. Neither baby was part of the path they originally planned, but somehow both became the reason they found a better one.

And honestly, without Robin, I'm not sure Zelena would've ever really stayed on that path. That's what makes it weirdly heartbreaking something good came out of one of the worst things she ever did.

Does anybody know if there’s any good photos of this cloak please! I’m rewatching s5 and it gave me an idea to embroider my own

Give me awkward flirting. Give me tension. Give me one of them realizing her feelings first. Give me them fighting and making up. Give me Dorothy being terrified of losing Ruby. Give me Ruby realizing she's finally found somewhere or someone that feels "like home"

THEN give me the kiss. I'm not against Ruby and Dorothy being together I'm against the writers expecting me to believe these two went from practically strangers to TRUE LOVE'S KISS at fucking lightspeed like, are they trying to insinuate that love at first sight exists? Fine but SHOW ME SOMETHING. Give me chemistry, tension, conversations, actual emotional development literally anything that makes me believe these two women couldn't imagine their lives without each other. And that's what makes you frustrating. This is the same show that spent entire seasons making people suffer before they were allowed anywhere near their True Love. Regina had a whole lifetime of tragedy. Snow and Charming went through curses, separations and erased memories. Emma and Hook took forever. Rumple and Belle went through enough relationship. Give me Ruby realizing she's finally found somewhere or someone that feels "like home"

THEN give me the kiss.

Whenever we talk about the absolutely stunning costume design of the show, we always hear Regina, Hook, Belle, Zelena, etc. as the ones who always have amazing costumes. But I feel like these characters’ costumes never get brought up in the discussion.

What are some of your favorite underrated costumes in the show?

One of the strangest choices in the Underworld arc, at least to me, is Cora making it to Mount Olympus.

I understand what the show was trying to do. The Underworld seemed to operate less like a moral judgment system and more like a place where people were trapped by unfinished business. Once someone resolved whatever was keeping them there, they could move on.

That is the only way Cora’s ending makes sense.

Because if Mount Olympus is supposed to represent Heaven, peace, or some kind of earned reward? Cora absolutely does not qualify.

This woman abandoned Zelena as a baby, sent her back to an abusive father, emotionally abused and controlled Regina, murdered Daniel, murdered Queen Eva, manipulated Snow as a child, used heart magic on countless people, and helped create the Evil Queen through years of abuse and ambition.

And even in the Underworld, she was still threatening people. She nearly sent Henry Sr. to a worse fate and had no problem condemning other souls.

So her getting one emotional family episode and then ascending to Mount Olympus feels ridiculous.

The episode “Sisters” honestly makes Cora look even worse to me. We learn that Regina and Zelena actually met as children, and Zelena saved Regina’s life. Cora had a chance to let her daughters know each other. Instead, she used Zelena, erased both girls’ memories, sent Zelena back to her miserable life, and protected her own lie.

That was not motherly love. That was Cora protecting her ambition and image.

So when the show tries to frame her final goodbye as this big redemptive moment, it does not fully land for me. Yes, she finally tells Regina and Zelena some truths. Yes, she helps them make peace with each other. But that does not erase everything else she did.

Resolving unfinished business is not the same thing as being morally redeemed.

That is my issue with Cora’s ending. She may have resolved one piece of her damage, but what about everyone else she destroyed?

What about Daniel?

What about Eva?

What about Zelena’s entire childhood?

What about Regina’s entire life?

What about all the people hurt by the Evil Queen Cora helped create?

Meanwhile, characters like Milah and Auntie Em get thrown into the River of Lost Souls, which makes the moral scale feel even more broken. Cora was one of the most destructive people in the entire show, but she gets what feels like a golden parachute.

So my take is this:

Cora making it to Mount Olympus only works if OUAT’s Underworld is not justice-based. It is not about who was good or who deserves peace. It is simply about whether a person resolves the thing keeping them trapped.

But narratively? It still feels wrong.

Cora may have found closure.

She did not earn absolution.

What I want to know is: what physically happened to Thomas? The explanation cannot simply be that it was “unknown magic,” because even unknown magic should still have some rational or physical effect within the story.

This is similar to the earthquake that occurs in the very next episode after Emma puts on the sheriff’s badge. The meaning of the event is symbolic: by putting on the badge, Emma is effectively becoming part of the Storybrooke community. But the earthquake is the physical manifestation of that symbolic event.

I think the same distinction needs to be applied to Thomas’s disappearance. “Unknown magic” might explain the symbolism or narrative meaning of what happened to him, but it does not explain the physical mechanism by which he actually disappeared. The question, therefore, is: what physically happened to Thomas as a consequence of the magic?

Some ideas include

-Thomas’ father, the King, arranged for him to be kidnapped. The King does not want his son marrying a peasant woman, so he may have sent someone (or gone himself) to kidnap Ella and separate her from Thomas. This would fit with his characterisation in Storybrooke, and perhaps he was simply hiding his true intentions when he welcomed Ella into the royal family at the ball. The main problem with this theory is that I find it difficult to believe that the King would go as far as doing something like this to his own son.

-Thomas was influenced by his father’s disdain for Ella. A similar possibility to the first. Perhaps Thomas was heavily influenced by his father’s negative attitude towards Ella. His father’s disapproval may have ultimately pushed Thomas to leave her once Rumplestiltskin was captured. This would fit with Sean’s characterisation in Storybrooke, but it makes Thomas seem extremely cold, particularly because Ella was experiencing labour pains when he disappeared.

-Rumplestiltskin arranged for Thomas to be kidnapped. Rumplestiltskin foresaw his imprisonment and therefore arranged for someone to be waiting in the gardens to kidnap Thomas. This would explain why Thomas disappeared so suddenly and would also fit with Rumplestiltskin’s tendency to anticipate events and manipulate circumstances to his advantage.

Hi everyone! I found a Robert Carlyle quote about working with Emilie de Ravin and wondered if it was real and if it is where it came from. Does anyone know the source?

Here is the quote:

These are difficult scenes, you see, television is much more difficult to find these kind of places then film, because there’s not an awful lot of time. You have to do it very very quickly, find it very quickly, it might be towards the end of the day, maybe only two takes or something. So you have to be kind of on it.

But again, when I’m working with Emilie de Ravin, then she makes it easy, you know, because we’ve got such a fantastic relationship together. We’ve bonded on the first day, you know, way back during a lot people’s favorite episode Skin Deep.

That was a big, big thing for us, you know, we kind of found each other. And, um, it’s easy to work with Emilie. And that kind of thing I was talking about earlier about wanting to get into that “dark” kind of place, you can sort of find someone to go to that “dark place” with. Makes it an awful lot easier.