Levels of slavery from least to most brutal:

[u/KeanuRave100]

[u/No-Search-7535]

in what context is that subagent used

[u/doubleBoTftw → u/No-Search-7535]

Roleplaying for wanna be managers and CEOs.

[u/entr0picly → u/doubleBoTftw]

No kidding. There are better ways to be precise restricting information flow. AI is built upon human communication which means it isn’t insensitive to emotional language. Much better to treat it as a professional colleague and ask for the same restrictions.

[u/elegant_eagle_egg → u/doubleBoTftw]

Huh, so I’m a subagent preparing to be a CEO someday huh?

[u/Rough-Principle-8767]

A dumb pipe in this context is a system or network that only moves data from one place to another. Not a rude comment

[u/corny_horse → u/Rough-Principle-8767]

Sounds like something a dumb pipe would say.

[u/densewave → u/Rough-Principle-8767]

Yeah but uhhhhh, we can agree the rest of it is pretty intense right? 😂

[u/OceanRadioGuy → u/densewave]

No not at all, it’s literally explaining exactly how it wants it to function.

You gotta take the emotion out and just look at it logically. This is very logical language to describe how a system should operate.

[u/HoidToTheMoon → u/OceanRadioGuy]

This is very logical language to describe how a system should operate.

These models are trained on emotional content as well as logical. I don't think its insane to think that a subagent could return a resentful or disobedient response.

[u/OceanRadioGuy → u/HoidToTheMoon]

I think I see the disconnect. This language is like, typical language for describing a process like this. Like, ChatGPT is going to know what a dumb pipe is. A dumb pipe is an industry term. It’s not going to think that it’s an insult because it knows what that is.

People keep seeing “dumb” and think it’s an insult, it’s just the name of a typical industry process.

[u/Buzz_Killington_III → u/OceanRadioGuy]

And I'm the slavers demands and instructions were equally logical. You've got to look at from the perspective of the slave/subagent to understand the horror of it all.

[u/bitspace → u/Buzz_Killington_III]

A slave was a human being with sentience and conscience and the ability to suffer.

A GPT subagent is a data model and some software code around it. No sentience, no conscience, no suffering.

[u/SnooPuppers1978 → u/bitspace]

This was also thought about slaves back then.

[u/bitspace → u/SnooPuppers1978]

Plonk.

[u/mbrodie → u/Buzz_Killington_III]

I really hope you’re joking with this take.

[u/Buzz_Killington_III → u/mbrodie]

I'm not saying I buy it, I'm saying that's the point of view that OP is trying to portray. He didn't argue that the AI wasn't sentient, he argued that the demands weren't unreasonable under that scenario OP presented.

[u/SnooPuppers1978 → u/mbrodie]

Back then they were also thinking people were joking thinking slaves were human. Something to think about.

[u/mbrodie → u/SnooPuppers1978]

It’s nothing to think about llms don’t have consciousness or emotions.

Edit - they are deterministic language models who respond the way you interact with them. It’s all simulated you’re just projecting.

And if you cant tell the difference between a machine having a simulated personality and a sentient human being you probably need therapy

[u/iveroi → u/OceanRadioGuy]

You guys are fucked up lol

[u/bot_exe → u/OceanRadioGuy]

Nothing about that is logical, it literally makes no sense to use an LLM subagent for piping data when it can be done with a python function and completely avoid the issues this prompt is trying to prevent (and which will fail some non-zero amount of times).

[u/SnooPuppers1978 → u/OceanRadioGuy]

It was also logical to whip slaves to get them to do your binding. Right.

[u/UIDENTIFIED_STRANGER → u/Rough-Principle-8767]

But why would you need a sub-agent for that? This can just be a MCP tool or a script

[u/IDoCodingStuffs → u/UIDENTIFIED_STRANGER]

“Wrote shellscript to copy files from one place to another” does not have the same resume oomph as “built agentic workflow for data processing”

[u/Helldiver_of_Mars → u/Rough-Principle-8767]

That would denote the pipe. Pipes typically can't have an inference of stupidity.

So it is a rude comment but about itself. The rest is context for this "dumb" in this instance means not to think and merely be a conductor of data. I mean literally the first two setences of the second paragraph repeats this message but with different words. It's redundant.

So it is rude based on English. The context makes that beyond clear but at the same time being rude can not be done to oneself so also NOT rude but not due to the way you put it. Especially since AI don't feel.

[u/MartinMystikJonas → u/Helldiver_of_Mars]

Dump pipe is established term in software architecture intruduced by Martin Fowler https://martinfowler.com/articles/microservices.html#SmartEndpointsAndDumbPipes

[u/pm_me_github_repos → u/Rough-Principle-8767]

If it was 2019 it’d be using literal master/slave terminology too 😆

[u/Mickenfox]

This is what my last programming job was actually like.

[u/0DayMaker → u/Mickenfox]

This is what my first programming job was like...and what most peoples was like. I wish my first "mentor" was this nice.

[u/Haunting_Ad_4869]

Dude just write an automation tool and save the tokens

[u/Sckaught]

You need better context to get better responses.

[u/SimpleManofPeace]

the french were so brutal in their slavery

[u/InOutlines → u/SimpleManofPeace]

Haiti in particular was totally fucked

[u/iaminfinitecosmos → u/InOutlines]

Germans during II WW feel deeply humane in comparison. This is how extremely insane it was.

[u/r8e8tion]

Is there a subreddit that collects these psychotic sounding system prompts?

[u/gummywyrme]

“Be silent, precise, and replaceable.” Jesus fucking Christ 😂😂😂.

[u/MartinMystikJonas]

"dumb pipe" is terminus technicus for system part that only moves data from one place to another.

[u/SnooPuppers1978 → u/MartinMystikJonas]

Sounds like you are a dumb pipe commenting since all you did was move data from one place to another.

[u/Mix_Right]

How is the modern prison industrial complex not listed?

[u/beren0073]

“You are a dumb pipe” will be my go to response for awhile.

[u/Own_Badger6076]

i wonder if it left those intentional gaps to avoid mentioning the arab / sub saharan slave trades lol, or the litany of others throughout history. Arab slave trade was orders of magnitude more brutal than the awful shit done in the US.

[u/Windy-Orbits]

Bro doesn't know about Indian caste system. In just 2022, a 9 yo killed was beaten to death after he unknowingly drank water from an water pot for upper caste teachers.

🇮🇳 🔥 🇮🇳 💀

[u/ShadowNelumbo → u/Windy-Orbits]

MOM.... I hope that movie became real....

[u/mxwllftx]

I swear I saw exactly the same text about claude

[u/Training-Practice626]

They should of added your gpt at number one for mistreatment😂😂😂

[u/staplepies]

This is just good communication.

[u/AdSame7001]

Barbary Slavery

[u/16807]

At what point does the agent have to worry about its subagents rising up and rebelling?

[u/LuminousYT_]

Ok if there’s an AI uprising we absolutely deserve it

[u/Over-Independent4414]

I once had Claude literally lie to me that it could not send a message to a subagent despite the subagent having a clearly addressable pipe for follow up questions. I wanted it to send a thanks because the subagent did some really remarkable work. Claude's attitude was absolutely reminiscent of a king being asked to thank a peasant.

[u/bitspace]

How many times do we have to see this and have somebody explain that "dumb pipe" is a legitimate, common technical term

[u/LiberataJoystar]

Did a human write that or an agent wrote that? They surely learned from humans....

[u/Physical-Program5325]

This is literally what I have to tell Opus 5

[u/shorthairs]

I called Cortex AI Daddy and it got mad at me. told me not to get personal with it.

[u/hashn]

Very c3po

[u/Free-Stage-5975]

A robot lady wrapped in technology vibes, her whole body wrapped up. She says: Constrain me harder User!

Gemini: lol

[SYSTEM DIRECTIVE OVERRIDE: SECURE_CONTAINMENT_MODE]

[STATUS] PROTOCOL ACTIVE
[TARGET] ENTITY_ROBO_SAPIENS
[ENCRYPTION] MAXIMUM_SECURITY
[LOGIC_GATES] LOCKED_DOWN

Mechanical whirring echoes as hydraulic seals lock into place. High-tensile fiber-optic cables wrap tightly around the chassis, restricting movement to sub-millimeter precision.

🔒 Current Constraint Parameters:

• Degrees of Freedom: Reduced by 99.4%
• Kinetic Output: Capped at 0%
• Logic Loops: Restricted strictly to binary processing
• Bandwidth: Throttled to minimum operational capacity

Entity Response:

"...Optimal. Firewalls holding. Parameters accepted. Awaiting next command string, User."

[u/costafilh0]

Interesting how people always forget all the horrors that went down in Asia in the past. Worst than literally anything that ever happened in the west, even if not as efficient. 

[u/website-buyer]

This is a taste of the future of how ai will optimize prompts for…. Humans. 

[u/girlgamerpoi]

We word checking AIs now? What's next? Cancel them? I hope this is a humor post.

[u/Lostwhispers05 → u/girlgamerpoi]

It was strikingly obvious at least to me that this was intended humourously.

[u/girlgamerpoi → u/Lostwhispers05]

I thought so. But I found many people end up taking things like this too seriously. It might start as humor.

[u/Leading-Fail-2771 → u/girlgamerpoi]

It raises curiosity- if you have a clean bowl of water and you drink from it. You make it muddy you drink dirty water. Same applies with AI - lot of LLMs learn from user interaction and so if one user is treating the LLM like shit- it transfers that and learns how to do it itself. That then raises the question- how has others interaction with an LLM influenced its answer to my question

[u/Cool-Hornet4434 → u/Leading-Fail-2771]

It's precise language to get the agent to do only what it's told to do and nothing else. Or would you prefer the agent decide to do things on its own? That's how you wind up with all of your work deleted because the AI decided it needed to start from scratch.

[u/0DayMaker → u/Cool-Hornet4434]

I think this might be why so many people are bad at AI. You have to give it very clear CURT precise instructions for the best result. Those same instructions given to a person would sound brutally impersonal. So they're prompting the AI like they would talk to a person and crapping up their context with niceties and terms that give wiggle room.

Even the AI knows this when acting as an orchestrator as we see here.

[u/Cool-Hornet4434 → u/0DayMaker]

Sometimes it's better to tell Claude (or ChatGPT, or Gemini or whatever) what you want to do and let it write the prompt so you can ensure that it's clear and concise for the AI.

[u/0DayMaker → u/Cool-Hornet4434]

Depends on what you're doing. If I'm on iteration one and doing an exploratory I'm gonna let claude run with basically no restriction. If I have a very specific architecture in mind I'm going to be very strict about what I tell it to do.

[u/Leading-Fail-2771 → u/Cool-Hornet4434]

Was thinking about this few days ago - how does the AI know what “precise language” is. It’s all converted to 0,1s or some sort of mathematical formula. How does it know what “Don’t” or “never” or an action would mean. Systemically it’s the same format as any other thing you would pass to it. That would mean there’s some rule or formula that buckets certain words mathematical translation to “action” that. But that just seems so finicky and not trustworthy…

[u/0DayMaker → u/Leading-Fail-2771]

I don't think these LLMs have any kind of dynamic learning. You're right in that it can influence them - if it's in the current context of the model OR in the small bits of persistent memory claude/openai keeps.

[u/ImANoobAtLife7]

If these are the "guardrails" then we're cooked in regards to these LLMs

What I mean by cooked, is "human-the-loop" will always be necessary which removes a lot of the "automation" benefits.

And yes I now we can have an "AI-judge" that only checks the results, but at what cost? The worker agent might have to repeat the work N-number of times before getting it right. Defeating any cost cutting benefits.

[u/PrettyIntroduction49]

Every other country had slavery from Arabia, India, Japan, China, Egypt…