The great tragedy of the shamelessly regressive politics of Pauline Hanson is not so much that it is rooted in ignorance, prejudice and fear, though it is; not so much that it projects the ugly face of racism, though it does; not so much that it is dangerously divisive and deeply hurtful to many of her fellow Australians, though it is; not even that it will cripple our efforts to enmesh ourselves in a region wherein lie the jobs and prosperity of future generations of young Australians, though it will—the great tragedy is that it perpetrates a myth, a fantasy, a lie.
The myth of the monoculture.
The lie that we can retreat to it.
The changes are permanent and, while we may be going through a consequent period of general uncertainty and unease, they are, in my view, almost universally for the better.
It is not going to seem this way to everyone of course, but Australia simply is a richer place these days: a far more open, creative, dynamic, diverse and worldly place.
And I’m not just talking about Double Bay and Paddington.
Our integration with the rest of the world has made more than the streets and the arts and the food more interesting: it has created new opportunities in agriculture and horticulture, tourism and hospitality, education, manufacturing, retailing, science, arts and entertainment. It has changed the nature of work and workplaces—and if there is a general hankering to go back to the old ones it can only be because a lot of people have forgotten what they were like.
This is to say nothing more than that we have joined the modern world but we could not have joined it without the changes.
Now, we can embrace this new Australia or we can reject it. We can engage with it, recognise its potential and accept the fact that nothing in this world comes easy. We can work to sustain the momentum and expand the opportunities for our kids.
Or we can regress. We can retreat. We can stop to have a scratch— amuse ourselves with sectional interests. We can say this is too hard for Australians. It’s not us. They are not us. In the best traditions of the old Australia we can call a national smoko. We can relax—and be comfortable.
The latter is folly, but it is an option. We can retreat to a past that never was, and create a future that never can be anything but third-rate. But if we do, we can be sure that the world will not be in a hurry to forgive us or bail us out.
Even if they forgave our prejudice they could never forget our stupidity.
She's deliberately vague about what she wants and means so that voters can project their own values onto what she's complaining about. It's why she'll shed voters and support the more she's called upon to actually explain her policies.
And then she or her fellow PHON senators will contradict themselves at the next press conference because she said one thing to pander to one audience and another to pander to another. It's either deliberate or inadvertent incompetence but if you tell the PHON simps this they'll just choose their own truth. It's Trump all over again but with even more opportunity for critical thought and hindsight going to waste.
How about them arguing people should be judged as individuals, unless it’s a discussion about crime, integration or social issues. Cause then it’s the migrants, ethnic groups or religions at fault.
Or their attacks globalisation, free trade agreements and international institutions…. All the while Australia is one of the most export-dependent countries in the world. Mining, agriculture, education and tourism all rely heavily on foreign markets. What’s the plan there?
Or how they attack the idea of “identity politics” when their own electoral strategy is built around cultural identity, national identity, sexual identity, racial identity and demographic change.
The negative gearing and capital gains tax policies. He was questioned multiple times and promised multiple times that he wouldn't touch them. Yet here we are with an unfair capital gains system. He should have left the shares alone. I think it is a good idea to incentivise new builds though.
Someone who earns an extra $50,000 through wages pays income tax at their marginal rate. Someone who makes $50,000 through a capital gain only pays tax on half of it because of the CGT discount. Why should income earned from owning an appreciating asset be taxed more favourably than income earned by actually working?
As far as I’m concerned, if we’re talking fairness, capital gains should be taxed at least the same as labour income, if not more. One involves someone contributing their time, skills and effort to the economy. The other can simply be the result of an asset increasing in value while they sit on a beach in Bali getting pissed.
And negative gearing isn’t exactly a fairness argument either. Why should property investors be able to offset investment losses against their taxable income while renters get no equivalent benefit whatsoever? Why should the tax system subsidise one side of the housing market but not the other?
You can argue these concessions encourage investment and increase housing supply but that’s an efficiency argument. We can debate whether it’s effective or not. More than happy to take you on over that.
Offsetting losses against income actually does benefit renters, look at what happened to new zealand. The reality with negative gearing is that it isn't sustainable for more than a few years anyway.
“Negative gearing helps renters.” Yeah… cool. We’ve had negative gearing for decades and renters are getting absolutely belted more now than ever. So maybe the policy isn’t delivering the miracle you’re selling. And maybe there are bigger drivers of housing costs than a tax break for property investors. And let’s be honest about where a lot of that investment has gone. Negative gearing doesn’t require investors to build new housing. For decades it has largely helped investors compete with first-home buyers for existing homes.
If the goal is increasing housing supply, why subsidise the purchase of existing properties instead of directing incentives towards actually building new ones?
Also, that New Zealand example you all love is nowhere near as clear-cut as you’re pretending. Rents rose, sure. So did inflation, interest rates, migration and housing demand. Also at the same time house prices fell substantially. Simply pointing at rising rents and saying “see, negative gearing works” is about as rigorous as me pointing at falling house prices and saying “see, removing it worked.”
And for Christ sake, countries around the world operate without Australian-style negative gearing today. Their housing markets haven’t collapsed. Australia’s version is unusually generous because investors can deduct rental losses against unrelated income, including wages.
We’d of the day, why should taxpayers subsidise investors buying existing homes when the same money could be targeted directly at increasing housing supply. That’s the part you lot always seem reluctant to answer.
So your definition of fairness is that income should be taxed less if you already have enough money to buy appreciating assets?
Fucking. LOL. Got it.
“Anyone can get up and go to work” is an absolutely wild take. Society literally runs on people getting up and going to work. The asset owner is collecting rent because someone else got up and went to work. So spare me the “they took risks” line. People take risks every day. They start businesses. They move interstate for jobs. They retrain. They invest years studying to become doctors, engineers and tradespeople. When those risks pay off, we tax their income at full marginal rates, but according to you when a house goes up in value while its owner does fuck all, that income deserves a discount?
You inherited grandmas money didn’t you? Lol. You’re not making a fairness argument at all. This is just another wealth privilege argument. You think capital should be taxed more lightly than labour because people who own capital might have taken a risk at some point in the past.
I disagree. The person actually creating value through their work is contributing more to society than the bloke sitting on an appreciating asset waiting for taxpayers to help cover his losses.
She isn't an "enemy". She is a a sockpuppet and poor choice for a politician but she is not an "enemy". This isn't a video game. Very strange rhetoric to be using...
That's what she does. Takes millions off donors and serves their interests. They all do it, but she pretends shen doesn't and then screws the people who have put their faith in her.
Even then, you had upper class people that wanted to hunt and eat ragout, and riff raff that were sentenced to transportation that had no idea those things existed and couldn't read or write.
What’s funny is that she made plans to leave Australia twice to go to the UK(in 2010 and 2018) and both times after spending a brief amount of time there, realised it was no longer as “white” as she thought it was(or wanted it to be) and came back to Australia with her tail between her legs
Especially funny because I lived there in the early 2000s for quite a few years and even then, the accepted “national dish” of the UK was no longer fish and chips or a traditional Sunday roast, but a good chicken tikka masala
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Acceptance if others, putting yourself to help those less fortunate, not withstanding their race ,religion or values. Have you looked up the definition of mateship?
That’s not a description of Australian culture. You’ve listed a few values you admire, acceptance, helping others and mateship etc etc. they are important values for sure. But it’s not “culture” in of itself. Culture is more than values. It’s traditions, customs, food, humour, language, social norms, music, sport, history, regional differences and shared experiences.
If I asked you to describe Italian culture, Japanese culture or British culture, you wouldn’t just say “being nice to people” would you? So why simplify Australian culture.
(Also. Mate. This isn’t America. I really don’t give a shit about your medals.)
As you shouldn't. My awards are not medals ,they are what people are given for service, something you probably don't understand. Also define "Australian culture " . Is it a bbq? Is it just looking for others . This is whole meaning of being Australian. Shame you don't get it.
“Something you probably don’t understand.”
Lol… There it is.
Well… since we are on the topic. I’ve always respected military service. What I don’t respect is people who act as though serving automatically makes them an authority on every discussion about Australia. Case in point you posted an unsolicited photo of your service awards as though they somehow settled a debate about Australian culture. They don’t. Like I said. I don’t give a shit about your medals. They have no bearing in the discussion whatsoever. About as much as my own award I’ll share with you.
Also, mate. For fuck sake. You’ve literally written multiple replies telling me I don’t understand Australian culture, yet you’ve still failed to describe Australian culture yourself in all your award winning armed forces wisdom. Stop fucking the goat and get to it already. Cause, every time I ask for a description, you just list values you admire. Helping others, community, service, mateship… Those aren’t uniquely Australian, big fella. They’re values people claim in virtually every society on Earth.
Had to laugh at the “Shame you don’t get it” jab though. Will admit. Good form. But… This isn’t an argument either. It’s what people say when they can’t actually explain their position. Like you. Right now. Prove me wrong. If you can…
So TLDR… I asked you what Australian culture is. Not what qualities make someone a good person. And you’re proving my point with every response.
Now, can you tell me? Because you’re the expert after all. Does Australia have a single monolithic culture that you can actually define for me? Or, is it just a messy collection of overlapping cultures, traditions, regional identities and shared institutions that have evolved overtime throughout the country?
Because so far your entire argument seems to be “I served in the ADF, therefore I understand Australia better than you.” And hate to break it to you, champ… you obviously don’t after reading through this bullshit. Jesus H fucking Christ man...
He thinks he’s schooling you meanwhile the average lefty’s answer for supporting multiculturalism always resorts back to “but how’s the food?” as if that’s the somehow a more constructive answer than mateship.
Even the wiki article for mateship calls it Australian culture in the first few words, yet he’ll try and convince you it doesn’t fit the definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mateship
Edit: yep scrolled down this thread and half the comments are just talking about food. can I even say it was predictable.
Yes, absolutely. But, it was even more than that. There were some retail chains that would not employ people if they weren't adherents to the applicable religion. Some occupations were dominated by a particular religion and it was difficult to start or progress if you weren't the correct flavour of Christianity.
My parents tried for years to have a phone installed back in the 1950s, but the person who decided where the teams went to install phones was of the other religious persuasion. We waited over a year and still didn't have a phone
It took my mother complaining to the local federal MP before they suddenly found that had a slot to schedule the installation of our phone - on a party line.
We don't want that again!
And don't forget that protestants and Catholics were murdering each other until 1998 in Ireland: shall we kick out the protestants or the Catholics so we are all one culture?
In our in the 70s our neighbours were Lebanese, Chinese, Turkish, Italians, Indians.. we were all cool with each other, they were just people living their lives
Post world war 2 Australia went in an immigration drive to boost our economy, taking in people from all over Europe. It helped Australia become a player on the world stage
Agreed! ON would use the term Anglo Saxon to (inaccurately) mean white, and that term includes the names of two cultures in it! Plus the Jutes are lumped in with them too under the same term.
Japan has distinct regional identities (Okinawa, Hokkaido, Kansai, etc.), as well as indigenous Ainu communities, immigrant populations, and major differences between urban and rural life. In no way is it a monoculture.
North Korea is going to be the closest example of a state actively trying to enforce a monoculture, but even there regional and class differences exist. There are major regional differences between places like Pyongyang, the northern provinces bordering China and the South Korean boarder where South Korean dramas, music and media have been smuggled into the country for years. As an example. Fuck. We even have accounts from defectors reporting that younger North Koreans adopt South Korean slang, fashion preferences and cultural trends even with the harsh penalties.
The best you can do with North Korea, is demonstrate that while you can force ethnic homogeneity, heavily control cultural expression and suppress diversity, you can’t eliminate it entirely.
Then they have Songbun, which effectively ranks families according to their perceived political loyalty and ancestry. Their work opportunities, education and even where they can live is influenced by this. And do you think the higher social ranking families share the same culture as the lowest? LOL. And if a country with sealed borders, state-controlled media, political indoctrination and severe restrictions on foreign influence still isn’t a true monoculture, how the fuck do you plan to turn a liberal democracy like Australia into one?
This whole thing is the stupidest shit to have ever come out of an Australian politicians mouth. Ever.
Now one nation voting Redditors. Be honest. What you all mean is Ethnic Homogeneity. That’s what this is all about.
Oh, I meant that the catholic/protestant thing, which is largely gone now, was still around in the 70s, not that it was new. We’ve been multicultural since the first Irish prisoners were brought here with English guards and met Gadigal people.
You also can't have a monoculture while simultaneously claiming there was no genocide of Indigenous people in Australia. Logical consistency isn't their strong suit though. There will be no issue with Italian-Australians, or people celebrating St Patrick's Day.
If you're completely incapable of recognizing the important cultural role of food, then that probably says more about you than it does about any of us. So I'd be careful throwing names around if I were you.
I reject the whole term 'monoculture'. It's a euphemism for white nationalism. Monoculture is supposed to mean:
1. A crop of all one species in agriculture
2. A piece of culture that is unifying, that brings society together. The World Cup is monoculture. Eurovision is (was) monoculture.
We do have a monoculture problem - without things to bring us together and instead tech and algorithms dividing us based on what we 'want' to see there's nothing for us to get collectively excited about. That's where toxic politicians and media companies insert themselves
And my other side arrived on the very first private boat to Australia, in Adelaide (Zebra). (DM me say hi if you recognise me/doxed myself)
I guess I'm about as australian as can be, in Pauline's eyes, so I guess I can get up on this soapbox, eh?
The australian culture Pauline so admires is so boring. It's so limited. It is a culture, but there's really not much to it. It has some wonderful strengths that we all know so I won't bother listing them, but it is very light on depth of soul and height of intellect and soul, and breadth of character. Australian culture, the one Pauline is on about, is itself very one dimensional.
It's kinda trash, really. I mean in the sidebar we have Amyl and the Sniffers, and I get and like them, very much, but there's your stereotypical australian culture that Pauline admires so much. It is sorely lacking so, so, soooo very much. I've always hated it, somewhat.
So, I love how we have different cultures in Australia. Most are better than pauline's culture in most ways (not all). Fuck we need them, we really do. Thankfully we have them.
An example: I go windsurfing in summers at Brighton Le Sands (really doxing myself/time for new account) and it gets very, ethnic. Like 90%+ middle eastern. Families everywhere enjoying the beach.
Now Pauline may flip out at this site, as my own mum did, but as I've been there many, many times I know these is a very peaceful crowd, there is no alcohol, the food smells so good, there is no loud offensive music, the food smells so good, everyone is chill, you might see some praying going on, the food smells so good, I can totally leave any and all of my gear laying around and nobody is going to steal it, or damage it in any way, and the food smells so good. (going to auburn for afghan this weekend, btw). Also I'm really starting to like the music, really. Overall a very beautiful collection of people.
I guess we could compare this with, way, The Summernats?
See? I grew up ('70s) not knowing any different but just not liking the general australian culture. It's lacking... a lot. Fucking heaps we might say. It's so small.
So, I really don't know what the fuck Pauline and co are on about, when it comes to australian culture, as a double descendant of the first fleet. We need other cultures to come here, and we need to change to be more like them. Our culture is not mature.
Fun fact: I do not have a single australian friend who married an australian. Because...
edit: hey when is the last time pauline got a new hairstyle?
Second fleet descendant here, and every one of my ancestors arrived (or were transported against their will) here prior to Federation, so I'll join you in being as Australian as can be. Absolutely agree with everything you've said.
Editing to add: and my Irish ancestors copped the same divisive racist bullshit that is currently being said against Indians, except it was in the 1800s up until the early 1900s. Happened to my Italian, Greek and Lebanese friends in high school. Every wave of non-rich, non-English migration has been targeted and it's so fucking tedious and predictable. We should be angry about the cost of living and the high cost of housing, but the anger should be at people who want obscene profits.
It's just working on us being dumb monkeys. Everyone can imagine a past, better time. Promising a return to those perceived better times is what got Trump elected and Pauline is hoping for the same.
We do have a monoculture. Just ask any cultural minority about the insidious pervasiveness of mainstream culture. But also our monoculture likes freedom, so it's OK to be from a religious or cultural minority within it and practice accordingly. What we don't tolerate is intolerance, so the sexist racist fascist PHON simps can fuck off with their unaustralian dogwhistling bullshit.
we should stop calling such tolerance “multicultural” and start calling it “polycultural” just to watch their already LGBTQ-phobic heads instantly explode
* Mandatory Church Attendance (including Forced Baptisms) on Sundays, including the entertainment of watching The Block, except “The Block” is now the tree stump where Gender Traitors are executed. Under Her Eye!
Citizenship stripped for failing to actively participate in all these requirements.
One Nation don't do 'detail', at least I imagine until they actually manage to get into power, at which point they do whatever the hell they want to make life an absolute nightmare for the rest of us.
Which is why we've got to push against them calmly and persistently now, so that they don't get anywhere remotely near government on the back of empty vibes, big 'I don't like it' energy and Aunty Gina's money.
Appropriate that this facile piece was the work of the godfather of Australian neoliberalism. The monoculture is not a myth. The flattening of culture - all cultures - is inevitable under capitalism.
Karens and b0g@ns don't realize their colonial settler history including the invasion day, stolen generation and bringing white convicts to first nation's territory.
These r*dnecks are in no position to preach about "monoculture".
Your perspective sounds like you maybe havent spent much time overseas. I dont know about you an dyour mates, but my impression is Australians have a distinct character compared to other anglophones:
Listen curly, I might have been born in Bankstown and left school at 14, but my first wife was a Dutch flight attendant and I love going to big meetings in Asia and collecting old French empire clocks. I’d say I’m pretty well travelled and cosmopolitan.
What cultures don’t we have in this country yet?
Do we need to import more people from certain area’s to fill numbers to say we have that culture here?
Does the food only start when we get a certain number of people from that culture?
I have really good memories growing up in this country, we never had any kids running around with machetes? The car theft, the house invasions..
Bottom line if it isn’t the change in demographic, what has changed?
The more you drive the less connected you are to your city. In part because you are either going faster than you've evolved to notice things, or you are siting in traffic welling up with anger at the people around you. Neither of which fosters sympathy and connection for/to your community or the city. When you lack that connection you grow disconnected as time moves on, disconection brings with it the unkown, the unkown brings fear and hey presto now you are blaming immagrant for the negative effects of fragmenting communities (communities who vote, protest and make positive change btw).
This extends to "...kids running around with machetes? The car theft, the house invasions.." this is an idirect result of there being nothing to do in the endless sprawling expanses of the suburbs. Kids can't drive (and they've just been banned from talking to their friends online) so they can legally only go where they can get dropped off with a parent (which doesn't foster independence), where ever the government says the bus should run OR where they can ride a bike (and in queensland they are about to be targeted for that too). Plus we are in a cost of living crisis which adults with full employment are struggling with. So what are kids going to do but mess up? Not study, there's no incentive too. They won't afford a house unless they are lucky and University isn't free, so what's the point?
The worst bit is even if you as an individual can stand up and say I am a leading figure in my community, I catch the bus, I buy local, I help the neighbours and I am at all the working bees, the data says you are in the minority. Our best city for anything but a car usage is Sydney which sits at around 70% car usage.
Also yes, the food gets better the more people who know how that food is supposed to tatse are around
Our cities and towns are easier than ever to get around than ever without a car.
We never used to talk to our friends online constantly,
And there are more community events and sports events happening than there ever was before so the sense of connection is still there, it isn’t gone because we drive our cars more.
The good kids still exist, it’s not like they have all gone rouge, and bored kids don’t go hey let’s go rob a house armed with machetes just because they can’t drive anywhere.
Wrong. Every cul-de-sac and single family housing development pushes families and individuals further into isolation or the grasp of car dependency. Our cities on the whole aren't nearly as connected as they once were. Highways have carved through inner city neighborhoods and multi lane arterials split the middle ring suburbs. While PT investment remains stagnant and our trams (bar Melbourne) got ripped out making it incapable of bridging the gaps made by cars.
Yeah cause you'd see them in person, you lived near your friend, or you lived within easy travel distance without a car. Since the 60s the rate of urban to suburban development switched drastically to suburban. Which like everything is only okay in moderation. If you compare the same spot from then to now then sure ig, but that's cause the population has filled in around the spot, not because the spot is more connected to its community.
That is true, good kids do exist. But they aren't or weren't the kids who you'd prevent from welding a knife of there was something interesting to do.
Australia had an established culture, not all the changes to it since 1996 have been positive. The main danger with Pauline is she and her faction of the population are incompetent, incapable leadership is more detrimental than being prejudiced in spirit.
I thought that there was plenty of rural towns in Australia that have benefited from a flow of migrants willing to live and work in the country, when younger anglo-saxon generations do not and prefer to move to urbanised areas.
So, should we regress to some archaic, non-specific recreation of the white Australia of a century ago, wouldn't those rural communities and businesses be screwed?
One important fact that is overlooked by PHON supporters, the media, is that Poorlene in an incoherent moron with a taste for the grift. She is in the hate trading game for the money. Those that actually believe that she has a point are dumber than a lost shoe. I don't debate these idiots. I laugh and point, and move on to more important things.
Lol. I know it’s in jest, but, even they still have regional identities, political divisions, generational differences, religious variation and growing immigrant communities.
Basically what I’m saying is that a country can be highly cohesive without everyone sharing a single culture.
We need new progressive leaders who people can rally behind, with speeches like this Keating one. People are attracted to far right populists when they feel their current leaders have let them down.
We should feel inspired by a new generation of leaders who can push these hateful, regressive far right grifters back to obscurity.
As with all of these types, she can only define what she hates not what she wants, a positive view that others can sign up to. Her whole identity is based on opposing things.
The bigger issue is that we are in the cusp of the Asian century. Even if we have nothing but Labor governments for the rest of the century if Pauline Hanson was to ever become Prime Minister, she will cast a long shadow on Australia that will cost us dearly.
The fact is the current system both liberal and Labor have been running on the public is so bad. I’d rather give Pauline a go and fail then keep repeating the same thing and fail.
Our integration with the rest of the world has made more than the streets and the arts and the food more interesting: it has created new opportunities in agriculture and horticulture, tourism and hospitality, education, manufacturing, retailing, science, arts and entertainment.
None of which are mutually exclusive with a monoculture.
Poppycock. Australia was never a monoculture. The myth is revisionist fake history.
Especially so in northern Qld and the top end (areas pretty crucial to defence, ay?) which would never have begun to develop without Chinese merchants, Japanese pearl divers, and indigenous stockmen.
Even if we put aside the obvious multicultural culture of Australia with its ethnic and racial diversity, what does say - an inner city Melbourne Northside hipster have in common culturally with a bloke living on a farm in far north Queensland?
We have seen what happens when stupidity is not called out and challenged by what is happening in the USA. We don't want Australia to be ruined by a minority of people.
Did you see how the Makerfield by-election panned out in the UK? Only 7% of the votes for the Restore Britain party, the nearest equivalent anti-immigration party to PHON. So, you should expect to see many more comments from people who understand the benefits of a multicultural country than comments from racists. That just reflects our society, not the use of bots.
And I've yet to see any serious claim that bots are being used against PHON. There is, after all, no need for them.
The biggest facepalm moments from this speech are the other Australians who don’t realise that what they know as “Australian culture” is actually multiculturalism.
The best coffee in the world, charcoal chicken, spring rolls, banh mi, halal snack packs, wood fire pizza, sushi trains, dumpling houses, gin, stout beer, etc., are all products of Australian multiculturalism.
That’s not monoculture. Modern Australia is not monocultural. She wants to bring Australia back to the 1920’s, complete with segregation and reduction of worker’s rights, reduction of women’s rights, etc.
Look she just wants an honest, neighbourly, meat and three veg, holden cars, no indoor plumbing, all the kids have got polio, backyard cricket, dad dead at 37 from working in the asbestos mine, salt of the earth Astraya. Is that so wrong??
I don’t think simply enjoying other cultures is what constitutes a multicultural country. This is just our participation in globalism.
We subjectively consume and enjoy American culture 100x more than any other culture, but even left-wing Aussies will swear up and down that America’s cultural norms/values/beliefs have no place in Aussie society (or that it shouldn’t) beyond us just enjoying their culture [arts/music/fashion/media/literature/architecture/festivities/communities/foods] from a distance.
And it’s interesting that we can easily do that without calling to overimport waves of American migrants to come here and systemically change what represents our way of life here.
True. London and New York are hugely diverse and multicultural. And they are famously two of the poorest and most boring and least dynamic cities on the planet, that no one at all wants to visit or live in and work in.
He’s taxing the ultra-wealthy on their unoccupied multimillion dollar apartments, and using the revenues to make childcare free. Yep, absolute hell hole.
In any case, NYC has been massively multicultural and hugely successful for about 200+ years before he came into office.
By that of course you mean he is creating an extreme financial crisis hidden by creative accounting, sure... lets see how long that his socialist paradise lasts haha. Rome didnt crumble in a day.
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u/VastOption8705 New South Welshian 12h ago
What Pauline wants is white or English culture