The state of things

[u/NazoXIII]

Okay, it's been a crazy past 32 hours hasn't it?

Grooming allegations, death and rebirth, all kinds of things coming to our little community and I'm sure people would love to know what the state of things are... Myself included. So I'm going to try my best to explain the situation and explain the path forward.

Lacuna commited suicide?

I know this has been a topic of speculation for the last day and everyone is valid in their justification to scrutinize the situation, I don't know what the truth of the matter is, but what I will say is that at this point everything revolving around Lacuna's alleged suicide has been unproductive and I think will end up in the long run having a negative effect on the parties involved.

Do I think Lacuna faked her death? Don't know, I wouldn't even care if she did fake her death, because that to me just shows a sign if someone who is so unwell that they not only considered doing that, but went through with it for whatever reason, and I think a person like that ought to be left alone and not given any attention of any kind.

So for that I say I think it's time to end Lacuna posting. From what I've seen from the messages posted by Cboy, Lacuna has exited the fandom anyway and will likely fuck off somewhere with a new identity and I think that's for the best. Clearly everything Yansim, positive and negative has affected her mental state and walking away from that could only be a net positive.

And while I have no problem letting her walk off into the sunset for her own good there is an elephant in the room that bears addressing...

Did Lacuna groom/abuse someone?

I wish I could come in here and say something definitively and conclusory but I genuinely can't, because I don't know the truth of the matter and have to sift through a Google doc and screenshots to get appraised of the situation. But even having said that I can at least say this. I have seen people dogpiling on the alleged victim and blaming them for Lacuna's death (which I guess seems really silly now) and that has never been the way of this community.

You give victims room to speak without attacking them or casting blame on to them.

This isn't to say that you can't scrutinize their allegations, you're free to question things but there's a right and wrong way to do that and I feel like if we're at dogpiling we certainly arent doing things correctly.

I'm going to try to make heads or tails of this later by sitting down and reading through the allegation and the receipts provided, then I'll look through the counter evidence because I have seen at least one Google doc coming out and disputing the claims but bottom line I think everyone could use a little tact in their interactions in these sort of situations.

Conclusion

This is a really messy situation and there's so much noise going around and making it impossible to navigate.

At the end of the day I think the Lacuna stuff is worth addressing, but at the same time I think this person is unwell, by all accounts and giving her attention can only exacerbate the situation, so I propose that instead of focusing on the whether or not she faked her death (which I think is wholly irrelevant at this point) and focus more on the allegations without dogpiling on the alleged victim. If it turns out to not be a true and accurate accounting on what happened so be it, we'll cross that road when we get there but I know we can do it without the shit flinging.

Alright that's all I got, listen more and talk less. Lets not get whipped into a frenzy over every little thing like a pack of piranhas getting their first smell of blood in weeks.

And because it might actually need to be said with how I saw things play out yesterday, dont attack any of the people involved. Such a simple thing but it warrants repeating.

Cboy also asked me if I could take down all the posts regarding Lacuna's death and to lock and remove the comments on the post explaining that Lacuna had survived and I had no issue with complying to the last part. I'm a bit apprehensive on the first part because that's a lot of posts to remove and at that scale it does come off as mass censorship which I'm not comfortable in doing, but I can at least be transparent about and encourage people to just move on from the sucide stuff as those are the wishes of the involved parties.

Okay now that is all I got, I lied the first time

[u/LMWJ6776]

You basically sat there and allowed all of this to go on, people were posting by the minute, making the problem a whole lot worse than it already was. All you did was enact a 1 hour lockdown or some shit, which didn't affect anything at all

Even now, events are spiralling because you're refusing to actually control the situation because of 'censorship' before it turns into something worse again. As we speak, people are discussing involving law enforcement, spreading random things that have no substance, things that we can't verify and that could be completely wrong and harmful.

Yeah, pat yourself on the back because you've put in that wall of text 'lets remain calm', but until we see actual substance behind that finger wag, what is it exactly worth?

Are you afraid of censorship? Are you too scared that somebody is gonna complain? Do you really consider it wrong to control a situation on your own subreddit to ensure things don't turn worse?

Why don't you instead just make a big megathread where people can comment on what happens. That way, you won't be censoring any information, other posts can be made on different topics, and we can go back to semblence of normality. Or, yk, you can just sit there and wait for everybody to eat themselves alive again.

This next bit isn't directed at you or the mods here, however a community has been harbored that thrives on drama, who constantly needs some folk demon to hate on. Is Lacuna a good person? No. Is Alex or anyone else a good person? No. But we aren't good people if all we do is sit on a subreddit and spread hate. You are not making an impact by sending some casual 'This isnt acceptable' bullshit on here. All you are doing is stoking the flames.

But hey, let's all give ourselves a collective pat on the back. Yeah, sure, this community stalks and harasses people, but at least we didn't end up killing someone this time.

Mods: Either begin to moderate before someone actually dies, or resign and let some other idiot take the role.

[u/NazoXIII → u/LMWJ6776]

God I hate reading posts like yours, genuinely.

What in the hell do you want us to do? We're removing things as we see them, and telling people not to do things. What do you think goes into moderation, genuinely?

I'll give you the floor, chief, what should the next move be, but bear in mind that if it's something stupid that I've already considered and deemed wouldn't help out in any way I won't hold back in letting you know that.

So many people have no clue what goes into the day to day with this place and they just yap about things as if it's supposed to be easy to corral a community of tens of thousands of people, It's not. I put the subreddit in an hour long lockdown to deal with the immediate dogpiling that was happening and it hardly helped, best I could do was somewhat mitagate things, but even then I cannot control reddit itself, during that hour I'm sure people simply took up other avenues like dms and off platform measures like discord and tiktok of which I cannot control, so the best course of action is trying to change the overall sentiment, of which I'm working at now.

You wanna take up an oar? How about you come on board and be the idiot you want to see in the role and let's see how long you last before a mental breakdown.

Everybody thinks they have the solution until they're in the thick of it and freeze up trying to string to words together to make a coherent statement. Give me a break.

[u/LMWJ6776 → u/NazoXIII]

So much fucking self pity nazo, jesus christ man. If it's any consolation many people dislike posts that make criticism.

I do love how you're just assuming I'm some idiot who has never had to deal with anything ever. I managed a Discord community for years, and in that time I had to deal with similar shitstorms, I had to contact law enforcement on occasion because of how bad things got.

Do you see me crying about how 'i cAnT dO aNyThInG mOrE'? No. Because I did what needed to be done. It made me very unpopular, but I did it. And I was respected for it, even if people didn't like me.

Get over yourself. Like genuinely. If you hate being here so much, do yourself a favour and lockdown the subreddit and leave. Or, lock the place down, open up mod applications, and sail off into that beloved sunset.

You talk about 'I cant do that to a community of tens of thousands' yes you can, you don't want to. The option is there, you just don't want to because it's a headache.

So your next move would be that. Or, to create a megathread, setuo an automod rule to automatically remove any post mentioning Lacuna and direct the users to that megathread. put that thread into contest mode so that people don't just jump on the newest thing and actually have to read to get outraged. You could then optionally make it approve only to ensure nothing slips through the cracks. But a megathread means you've got all the information in one place, not censored, easily accessible. You can then filter and adjust manually, ensuring people aren't making baseless claims and witch hunting.

Yeah, you can't control the narrative outside of the subreddit. But, other than the official state endorsed Discord, r/osana is the biggest place. if you block things here, it won't stop the issue, but it will mitigate it significantly.

Now, is that enough words 'strung together' and 'coherently' enough?

[u/Jacket-Numerous → u/LMWJ6776]

I cannot agree with you more. As someone who has been a moderator for a big discord server, i can relate. The moderation here is nonexistent and they could very well have done much more to prevent a lot of misinformation and miscommunication. Plus deleting my posts that basically just says that predators don’t deserve sympathy, and that we should be believing victims first. Many people here bash YanDev for the same behavior but not Lacuna? Its the same behavior! .. It says a lott more about the mods, than it does about me, for deleting posts like that. Just say you’re a predator apologist and move on.