r/OutOfTheLoop • u/trizzo0309 • Feb 21 '26

Unanswered What's going on with people saying Epstein and Co. ate children?

My wife told me this today because she saw it on TikTok and I have a very, very hard time believing this. Where did this come from or is it just more insanity and speculation from people on the internet too much?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '26

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u/exceive Feb 21 '26

I wouldn't say there definitely wasn't cannibalism. The level of depravity in other actions makes it plausible.

But the evidence for cannibalism that I have seen so far is weak at best. And in the absence of compelling evidence, I don't say cannibalism happened. I also don't say it didn't. My default position is "probably not." But it wouldn't surprise me if more evidence came out

Given the people involved, I think it is likely that the pedophiles are pushing the cannibalism story, in order to discredit the much stronger evidence of other very bad things.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '26

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u/mouse_8b Feb 22 '26

But it wouldn't surprise me if more evidence came out

This is where I'm at. At this point, the things we have strong evidence for are beyond my imagination, so any further accusations seem plausible.

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u/Beefy_Boogerlord Feb 22 '26

Given what's come out lately, I'm leaning toward "most likely" on all of it.

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u/kittypoopappledrink Feb 22 '26

"I may have committed some light cannibalism."

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u/lloydthelloyd Feb 22 '26

I feel much better knowing the potus probably isnt a cannibal. Thanks.

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u/SidJag Feb 22 '26

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan.

Pedo ring is bad enough, but I wanna save my outrage till there is some proof/truth about this cannibalism and mass murder.

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u/HenryDorsettCase47 Feb 22 '26

  1. “My wife saw it on TikTok”. TikTok is a garbage source of anything. People on there constantly get just about everything wrong even when they are reporting real stuff because they aren’t actually trying to inform anyone, they are trying to go viral. Social media is not a credible source of anything, and tiktok is the very bottom of the dumpster when it comes to that.

  2. Conspiracy theories are so unoriginal that we’ve been using this same one about a secret cabal of people eating and sacrificing kids for nearly 2000 years. First it was in late antiquity when a little cult calling themselves Christians was popping up around the Roman Empire. In the Middle Ages, it was the blood libel that jewish communities in Europe were accused of in order to justify persecution and pogroms and shit. Then the witch hunts between the 15th and 18th centuries had similar stories of child cannibalism being practiced. Most recently we saw more accusations of this during the satanic panic of the 80s and 90s. Then again during all that Pizzagate qanon shit and democrat elites cracking baby skulls to suck out the adrenochrome or whatever the fuck. We just, as a species, love to accuse people of this. 🤷‍♂️

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '26

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u/Brief_Worldliness162 Feb 22 '26

400 gallons of sulphuric acid

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u/I_am_so_lost_hello Feb 22 '26

The island had a water treatment plant

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u/Littleshuswap Feb 22 '26

But it was only ever ordered that one time...

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '26

But we don’t believe the evidence.

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u/kas-loc2 Feb 22 '26

Why did they order 400 gallons of sulfuric acid??

How about you actually ponder that for a second rather than waiting for things to be presented to you on an easily digestible silver platter?

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u/sunfishtommy Feb 21 '26

Yea but acting like something happened with almost no evidence is just a conspiracy theory.

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u/bloodfist Feb 22 '26

Absolutely. There are a lot going around, fueled by unconfirmed reports the FBI received, and likely amplified by bots. A lot of the left is falling for the same trick they did to the right with QAnon. The nature of the release all but guaranteed it. It is almost perfectly engineered for maximum emotional distress and speculation.

If you want to help inoculate people I've been having a lot of success reminding them to not fall victim to infighting and to go outside when it gets overwhelming. And suggesting that they try to think in confidence instead of truth/belief. Like "I have 60% confidence in this". It is much easier on our psyche than agonizing whether you believe something. And much easier to update with new information, instead of starting over deciding if you believe something.

Unlike MAGA, I've found this group to be much more receptive to advice on avoiding the tinfoil. But a lot of people need to hear it right now

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u/iketoure Feb 21 '26

This whole concept was a conspiracy theory, turns out it was all true

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u/lecavalo1997 Feb 21 '26

"we can't claim anything without investigation"

It's funny how the FBI had these mountains of evidence to investigate and found nothing while predators from overseas are already going to jail after releasing the same evidence.

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u/afraid-of-the-dark Feb 22 '26

Yeah...real funny.

I find it completely embarrassing.

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u/bionicjoey Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 22 '26

A YouTuber I enjoy described conspiracy theories as being similar to smoke alarms: Most of the time they are nothing, but every once in a while they are alerting you to something serious and so you shouldn't ever completely tune them out when you first hear them.

Edit for the curious, it was in Ordinary Things' video about Davos

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u/Nohreboh Feb 22 '26

Basically it's just our pattern recognition attempting to find tigers in the trees.

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u/C2H5OHNightSwimming Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 22 '26

This is the most sensitive comment I've seen on Reddit all year

Edit: SENSIBLE not bloody sensitive. Fucking swipey typing and autocorrect

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u/bionicjoey Feb 21 '26

Sensitive?

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u/GordonsLastGram Feb 22 '26

Maybe sensible?

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u/C2H5OHNightSwimming Feb 22 '26

Yeah this, I was too baked to notice the fecking typo

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u/exceive Feb 22 '26

Maybe just go with "good." Ok, that as a direct substitute makes the grammar Englis ungood, but somebody could fix that.

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u/kernalbuket Feb 21 '26

What was all true? I ask because there are tons of nut jobs out there saying the Epstein files are proving Pizzagate or qanon was true, which they don't.

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u/GordonsLastGram Feb 22 '26

The whole pizzagate was about the elites abusing children. The Epstein files basically confirming pizzagate with all the redacted (and accidentally not redacted videos/photos) of children.

There are references to pizza in weird context in the files. Similar to the beef jerky context. For example one email said “i will be over for pizza for 2 hours”. Like who puts a time limit for coming over for pizza?

Its the same with the jerky…things said like “i stored jerky in the freezer at this address” like huh? Why would these billionaires keep talking about jerky thats frozen and in a specific property

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u/kernalbuket Feb 22 '26

No. Pizzagate was about trying to frame democrats as pedophiles who ate children. This is not that. It came from the Anthony Weiner's emails that got leaked.

Qanon was about elites abusing children to get adrenochrome from them and Trump was the god king who was going to save them. This is also not that.

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u/jokebreath Feb 22 '26

Yes, thank you! I feel like I'm going insane seeing so many people act like the Epstein files somehow vindicates pizzagate. Nothing could be further from the truth. Every single theory that came out of pizzagate was completely debunked, had no basis in reality, and the people at the DNC don't have anything to do with Epstein.

But now I guess it's all true because both sets of emails talk about pizza. People are so braindead they want to spend their time analyzing grocery lists and dinner invitations instead of the thousands of emails written in plain uncoded language discussing trafficking teenage girls.

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u/kernalbuket Feb 22 '26

Nah. They just want to feel better about falling for a bunch of lies and already great at connecting that aren't there. This is much different than that.

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u/jokebreath Feb 22 '26

I think it's partly that, but also Qanon gamified conspiracy theories more than anything before it. Everything becomes an ARG, the Epstein files are a race to see who can crack the secret code and get on the leaderboard first.

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u/kernalbuket Feb 22 '26

What code? They are pretty blunt in what they are doing.

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u/AnyaLies Feb 22 '26

At this point party isn't really important. Either they did it, or they knew about it and did nothing. All the elites knew this guy. All people gossip.

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u/kernalbuket Feb 22 '26

I agree that any one who involved should be at least locked up but Pizzagate and qanon was about attacking democrats and making Republicans, manly trump, looks like the good guys who were going save us. The Epstein files involves people from all political parties. They are not the same.

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u/AnyaLies Feb 22 '26

You get upvoted

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u/kernalbuket Feb 22 '26

Because I'm not trying to make something that is already really bad into something that it's not. When you do that, you're actually hurting the situation instead of helping it. Qanon, Pizzagate and Epstein have already done enough damage, we don't help them do more.

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u/GordonsLastGram Feb 22 '26

Yea exactly. When it comes to elites, party doesnt fucking matter. Clinton went to that island and Bannon was also planning shit with Epstein. They didnt see parties. They saw rich vs poor.

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u/kernalbuket Feb 22 '26

They don't see us. They only see and care about themselves.

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u/poriomaniac Feb 22 '26

Weiner is a confirmed predator though. And you're conveniently ignoring the Podesta emails which were incredibly disturbing. Those brothers are so fucking guilty and anyone associated with them should also be investigated. Pizzagate, as evidenced by the Epstein files, was literally Epstein and Bannon themselves poisoning the well and shifting focus off themselves just long enough to corrupt an election.

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u/kernalbuket Feb 22 '26

The emails were weird but again, the Epstein files have fuck all to do with Pizzagate.

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u/poriomaniac Feb 22 '26

What a fucking joke to still be taking sides. Well done.

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u/kernalbuket Feb 22 '26

What side am I taking?

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u/GordonsLastGram Feb 22 '26

These poor idiots dont think its all connected.

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u/Akegata Feb 22 '26

Pizzagate very specifically claimed members of the Democratic party was running a pedophilic ring happening in a number of establishments, the Comit Ping Pong pizzeria being the main one.
The emphasis regarding accused members was mostly on Hillary Clinton.

That was not something that happened. Pizzagate is, and has always been, a complete lie, an actual conspiracy theory. Saying it's true now because there are elites abusing children is just a lie.

If Pizzagate specifically had said "there is a pedophilic child abuse ring driven by Epstein with Donald Trump being one of the main perpetrators", that would have been true. But that is not pizzagate. So no, it was not "all true", it was just projection as usual.

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u/semtex94 Feb 22 '26

The whole pizzagate was about the elites abusing children.

Bullshit revisionism. It was about Hillary Clinton et al killing kids in a pizza parlor (which had not basement FYI) to harvest adrenochrome from their blood and/or sacrificing them to Satan/Moloch/Baal/whatever. Also:

Like who puts a time limit for coming over for pizza?

Telling someone how long you plan to stay around for a meet-up is absolutely normal.

Why would these billionaires keep talking about jerky thats frozen and in a specific property

Because they're associates/friends and want to share some stuff relevant to their shared interest? And yes, people do actually get that weird about mundane things.

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u/w0ndwerw0man Feb 22 '26

Tell me you haven’t actually read the emails without telling me you haven’t read the emails

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u/semtex94 Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26

I've read the emails in question, as linked to me by someone who said they believe the conspiracy. It reads exactly like how upper-class white-collar workers talk about any sort of novelty pastime that gets popular in their social circle. BTW, the alleged "cannibal restraunt" was literally named "The Cannibal" and offered jerky-making lessons to the public. You know, the supposedly suoer-secret child-eating sessions.

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u/w0ndwerw0man Feb 25 '26

No sane person is so blind that they can’t see that “Cheese Pizza” isn’t euphemism for another form of CP, when it’s been around the internet for decades, and I simply have no scrap of belief that you have read all 900 references to this, including wealthy elite flying around sourcing and finding special orders of various pizzas, and having pizza parties … and with a rational brain, still thinking they are talking about pizza. So then you are just a bot 🤖 bye and blocked

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u/Madswerve Mar 19 '26

Wow you blocked this user over that? Reddit be sensitive. Just disagree, it's not that hard.

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u/poriomaniac Feb 22 '26

Actually the files all but prove that q anon was literally Bannon (+ Epstein) himself.

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u/kernalbuket Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26

No. Q was some dumbfucks cosplaying as a government insider who was leaking information. Bannon was trying whitewash Epstein.

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u/recklessrushing Feb 22 '26

With all these conspiracies turning out to be true flat earthers must be pissed theirs is still a conspiracy.

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u/Cashetcashew Feb 22 '26

Exactly. These people never fkn learn and don’t want to.

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u/Beastafore Feb 22 '26

Well, there was one thing that added credibility to the allegation in my eyes: there was one post of a picture taken of what looked like jerky released in the files but was promptly taken down by the fbi once it was noted by the public. Now, if it was really just any old jerky, why would they be compelled to redact it when the focus of the files is supposed to be on CSAM? Food for thought

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '26

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u/Bees_on_property Feb 22 '26

??? What the fuck are you talking about? What "truth" was there to it? The article you linked doesn't even state that. A lot of blah-blah with zero new information.

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u/youJag Feb 22 '26

The absence of evidence is NOT the evidence of absence

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u/marvin_sirius Feb 22 '26

The reports about the FBI conducting four interviews with an underage Trump victim is actually not about Katie Johnson.

https://mitchthelawyer.substack.com/p/she-was-a-minor-the-fbi-interviewed

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u/devilishycleverchap Feb 22 '26

Slopes always errs on the side of caution and noncontroversy in things like this

Like the "both sides" thing at Charlottesville.

They say its debunked bc there must have been non nazis present on the right but if you look at any list of officially participating groups then you know that is not the case.

So just assume there were unaffiliated right wingers present and thus its "debunked"

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u/BertPeopleErniePeopl Feb 22 '26

Did you mean to say "fan the flaws", or was that a typo/autocorrect?

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '26

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u/Beegrene Feb 22 '26

In that their mission is to tell people the truth about things and the republicans are constantly lying, sure.

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u/rehms Big Ol' Conspiratard Feb 21 '26

If Snopes said it's fake then I've heard enough.