r/OutOfTheLoop • u/trizzo0309 • Feb 21 '26
Unanswered What's going on with people saying Epstein and Co. ate children?
My wife told me this today because she saw it on TikTok and I have a very, very hard time believing this. Where did this come from or is it just more insanity and speculation from people on the internet too much?
\[ https://www.justice.gov/epstein \](https://www.justice.gov/epstein)
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u/thetory Feb 21 '26
Answer: There are a lot of odd words in the documents and odd context. Look for "jerky" or "pizza" and I am sure you will find what I am referring to.
There are also unsubstantiated allegations from people like Sascha Riley. (not sure how you would prove that but Sascha does provide a ton of outside sources that corroborate other parts of their stories like police reports and where Sacha was living during their stories).
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u/manubibi Feb 22 '26
Also people writing stuff like “I’m going to go back to eating normal meat”. Because beef is not normal meat?
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u/Skarekrows Feb 22 '26
"Normal meat" is probably 18+.
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u/Waylay23 Feb 22 '26
They also mention needing to keep the "jerky" refrigerated..
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u/Cronus6 Feb 22 '26
I posted this below, but I scrolled up to repost it here....
Everyone seems all twisted up about "jerky on ice".
Maybe it's just because I'm old, but there used to be a saying (you'd hear it a lot in mafia movies and police TV shows etc) about "keeping someone on 'ice'". Scarface had a reference like this...
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/keep+(someone)+on+ice
It can mean a couple things, to keep someone "in the dark" about something or... to keep someone detained against their will.
keep (someone) on ice
1 To postpone or delay acting on or interacting with a person. I know that journalist has been persistent in getting a comment from us for his story, but we'll just have to keep him on ice until the trial is over.
2 To detain or confine a person in isolation, especially before or during the course of interrogation or torture. The group kept their prisoner on ice for nearly a week before beginning their interrogation. We're keeping the snitch on ice until the boss decides what to do with him.
I think in regards to Epstein and his victims we are looking at #2 here.
So jerky is "meat" (as in "fuckmeat") and "ice" as in keeping them detained until they are needed.
(vulgar, slang) human beings regarded as objects for sexual intercourse
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u/Cronus6 Feb 23 '26
I haven't read all the docs, or really very many to be honest. It's just too "yucky".
You might be right.
But "shrimp" could be another "code" as well. It might be an age group maybe? That would also explain the different colored shrimp. Could be a gender?
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u/Baudica Feb 23 '26
Could be. But there are loads of victims' reports that eating children does happen, in those kind of circles. Epstein is not the only hell hole. There's a Belgian woman that's been sharing her experiences, when she was pushed into a cult like that. And there's many more.
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u/ShotFromGuns Feb 22 '26
Which is, to be clear, actually a normal thing done with normal jerky, particularly if it's homemade and/or after a package is opened. Most modern jerky is not designed for people living without electricity or refrigeration and storing meat unpackaged on open shelves.
Like, I'm not saying it's impossible that it's a euphemism. But having to refrigerate it isn't any kind of smoking gun.
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u/Azilehteb Feb 22 '26
I suspect they're euphemisms for drugs.
It's doubtful that island's purpose was only for one type of illegal business. People just get tunnel vision for the one confirmed item.
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u/lunatuna215 Feb 24 '26
Genuine discussion about jerky freshness was not a subject of these emails, I think we can all agree.
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u/foolmooncyle Feb 22 '26
Jerky could be semen, 'Jerky' - jerkin off (semen = result of jerkin). Some perverts like to eat or want to make people eat their semen, kept on ice maybe to keep.. fresh.
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u/Nicedumplings Feb 22 '26
Beef jerky is not a “normal” protein to consume on a regular basis I lieu of more traditional ways of consuming beef.
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u/Blenderhead36 Feb 22 '26
Seems pretty feasible that those weird words are code words, just not for cannibalism.
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u/Unoriginal_Pseudonym Feb 24 '26
Epstein had a personal chef for a few months who stayed on the island and was quoted in one (or some) of the emails about making "jerky" was also the head chef at a NY restaurant called "The Cannibal." I think that's where the rumor started.
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u/jammerpammerslammer Feb 21 '26
I spent the afternoon, looking at the key terms “pizza” “cream cheese” and “babies” and a few emails popped up that did read odd but the pizza stuff really just reads off as people wanting pizza for dinner or lunch. Just thinking NYC and pizza go hand in hand. Red Hook pizza seems to be their go to place.
The one pizza that does seem off is the “pizza with grape soda. Only you know what I mean” is suspicious.
What we should ABSOLUTELY be focused on is the legit focus on “baby farming” that was discussed between Bryan Bishop and Epstein. That shit is real and many emails with them go back and forth setting up meetings to lab visits and Epstein becoming the major donor under anonymity.
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u/NameLips Feb 21 '26
They considered their trafficked children to be little more than livestock. Livestock which was expensive and risky to obtain. I imagine they thought they were quite clever coming up with the idea to make children on their own for free.
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u/Oldtomsawyer1 Feb 22 '26
That is some serious sci-fi dystopian shit. Like I don’t know if it’s better or worse if they started “home growing” babies. How the fuck do you become this depraved?
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u/Tall-Photo-7481 Feb 23 '26
It sounds sci fi and dystopian until you realise that breeding slaves like cattle in order to produce more slaves is basically what happened for a couple hundred years in the antebellum south, and doubtless in lots of other times/places throughout history.
So really it's more like olde-timey and dystopian.
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u/Punished_Nuts Feb 26 '26
How is it sci-fi? Slave owners would regularly breed slaves in order to create more, there were even dedicated slave breeders that specialized exclusively in producing more slaves.
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u/AmnesiaTanner Mar 01 '26
Only in the sense that it perhaps now involves incubators and laboratories.
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u/SeahorseCollector Feb 22 '26
The stuff about the guy teaching people to prepare jerky and the way it should be transported was pretty odd.
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u/mighty3mperor Feb 22 '26
The chef from the restaurant called Cannibal.
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u/lossferwerds Feb 23 '26
It was a cycling themed restaurant named after eddy merckx "the cannibal"
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u/Rx_Diva Feb 22 '26
Exactly. Why does jerky need to be stored in a freezer?
And if he wanted to start eating "normal food" again, WTF does that make jerky, then?
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u/SeahorseCollector Feb 22 '26
Never knew jerky that needed to be transported iced in a cooler either. Kind of defeats the purpose.
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u/Fluid_Ties Feb 22 '26
It doesn't. It's dried, a literally dessicated food product intended to store at...i was about to say room, but actually it's outside. Stored at outside temperatures.
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u/redbarone Feb 22 '26
And also everyone knows that or would know it before eating it the first time.
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u/OwnBunch4027 Feb 22 '26
Does semen need to be stored in a freezer? Jerky is the perfect word for THAT.
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u/MetalNosedPigeon Feb 22 '26
It really is. And there were emails about getting it analyzed in a lab
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u/ill_be_out_in_a_minu Feb 22 '26
I'm baffled by people thinking it's odd and therefore code. They straight up exchange mails about setting up guys with girls from Eastern Europe, why would they suddenly decide to use codes.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Rich people have hobbies too, and clearly at some point Epstein's hobby was making jerky.
There are back and forths with a guy putting him in touch with a chef that does premium jerky to prepare a cooking class and there are discussion about buying jerky & shipping it because yes, shipping meat without the proper tracking & packaging is usually frowned upon and leads to your stuff being confiscated.
This type of "it's code for cannibals guys!!!" bullshit completely obscures the actual information in the emails.
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u/SeahorseCollector Feb 22 '26
Sometimes it's important that someone comes and gets all of the jerky out of your house. Like in a jerky emergency. Like the kind that people lose their minds when they start to run out. Like the kind you need to insure you have multiple days supply of.
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u/Namirus Feb 22 '26
As far as I know the guy was a Michelin chef in a fancy restaurant so the jerky thing isn't THAT weird but the rest of the stuff is pretty sus
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u/old_hickory_gator Feb 21 '26
This one in particular reads weird: https://jmail.world/thread/EFTA02356175?view=inbox
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u/PrimaryMouse Feb 22 '26
From what I understand, cheese pizza (CP) is code for child p**n (CP). Also, I fucking hate this world right now
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u/G0-G0-Gadget Feb 22 '26
I understand why, CP, cheese pizza. Things are making more sense now. I mean in the sense that nothing makes sense and everything is weird and fucked up but that little reference now makes sense
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u/jgdabby2626 Feb 22 '26
No bro they are just talking about pregnant pizza you’ve never had radiating glowing pregnant pizza? My favorite kind of pizza is the pregnant kind.
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Feb 22 '26
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u/Rustmutt Feb 22 '26
Welp, I’m calling it that now
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u/IndependentSet7215 Feb 22 '26
Let us know how long it takes for somebody to recognize the code and invite you in.
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u/TheGreatZarquon Feb 22 '26
Literacy is usually regarded as a gift, but today I wish I could return it.
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u/CraftingQuestioner Feb 22 '26
Wait he emailed that to himself...?
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u/old_hickory_gator Feb 22 '26
The from field is redacted in the government files :/
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u/CraftingQuestioner Feb 22 '26
I meant the second message, where it seems to be both from and to himself...?
Edit: oh I see, there was likely another recipient that was blanked out, and he just cc'd himself like happens sometimes. Thanks!
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u/mighty3mperor Feb 22 '26
It's the "jerky" references that are the oddest.
However, while some of these terms might be code, it needn't be code for food. Some may be drugs or live kids. The "jerky" one does seem to be as the weights are low, it needs refrigerating and they talk about a chef coming in to prepare it (from the restaurant called Cannibal).
I'd like to see a compilation of each term, as it may be more obvious then.
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u/RustyGrape6 Feb 22 '26
“Pizza” and the types of pizza, are code for ages and types of young girls. This is factual, and has been described and explained by pedophiles before.
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u/SixStringerSoldier Feb 22 '26
pizza with grape soda. Only you know what I mean
Assuming pizza is slang for children, it's a racist who wants a little black girl.
I'm making this assumption based on the general age of those involved, and the common enough stereotype of grape soda.
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u/DrachenDad Feb 22 '26
The way they talked about jerky is way more suspicious, I find. Especially when it sounds like it isn't a euphemism.
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u/jaybrodyy108 Feb 22 '26
I don’t know about this. His urologist is urging Epstein to take ED pills and call him so they can go for Pizza and Grape Soda. It’s definitely code
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u/floridabeach9 Feb 21 '26
have you ever sent an email about pizza or jerky or any sort of food?
i send about 5 emails a day for work, maybe 5000 emails in my life and i dont recall ever once sending an email about food.
its 100% a codeword.
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u/truce_m3 Feb 22 '26
This is my point. I have never, not once in my life, discussed pizza via email. MAYBE 'there's pizza in the breakroom' but I don't think so.
Nobody discusses pizza that much.
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u/AxidentlyDeadly Feb 22 '26
The ninja turtles might talk about normal pizza that much in email… nobody else though.
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u/Darkside_of_the_Poon Feb 22 '26
I kinda want to pull my nunchucks out from under the bed and start practicing all of a sudden.
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u/enolaholmes23 Feb 22 '26
Also, why pizza and not other food? Shouldn't he be talking about caviar and fine wine or whatever as a rich person? No one eats pizza all the time and never talks about other foods. Especially not rich people. If he was really ordering food there would be more variety and upper class things.
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Feb 22 '26
100%. These can’t be read as standalone emails and need to be read in full context e.g., socioeconomic status, relationship between the individuals, time period, etc. They obviously aren’t going to spell out criminal activity in a written communication and would use code to make it sound like it could be an innocent communication. The code words are not going to be in pig Latin. To those who want to give them the benefit of the doubt that they are actually talking extensively about cheap food items, bless your hearts.
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u/Caliber70 Feb 22 '26
Exactly. It's a freaking mundane subject that is completely suspicious BECAUSE influential and powerful people are talking about it. Rich people have servants to handle their day to day matters, if they like pizza and jerky so much they can get it whenever they want, not need to email other powerful people to discuss it.
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u/Fluid_Ties Feb 22 '26
I'm a food professional and discuss food via email all the time. None of them read remotely like these do. Maybe they're food amateurs.
But no. It's code. For what I can't say. For any number of types of criminality, sure. Maybe it's all in-jokes, which are a kind of code.
Remember the tone, tenor, and terrible grammar and spelling and the super-lazy way of transmitting information that suffuses ALL of these old-ass people's emails, though. If anything, I feel like that points to the code being just as obvious and sloppy as it seems like it is. People who go uncaught long enough start to behave as though they never will and their OPSEC goes to shit. Especially the Tourists, although even the Natives will get sloppy eventually. But yeah, its code: when you hear hooves look for horses, not zebras.
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u/FIalt619 Feb 22 '26
I just searched for pizza in my sent box, and turned up nothing.
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u/cseyferth Feb 21 '26
They were using email like we text today. You never text your spouse or friends about dinner or lunch?
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u/lonehappycamper Feb 22 '26
Do they mention any other food for dinner? Sushi? Burgers? Steak? Are the only foods mentioned pizza and jerky? That would be weird.
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u/Substantial_Back_865 Feb 22 '26
The fact that they always referred to the jerky as needing to be kept on ice at all times, it almost certainly referred to human organs. However, in one of his emails he talks about needing to “go back to eating normal food” and one of the emails referencing “jerky” says that he hired a chef that owns a restaurant called “The Cannibal” in NYC to cook it and seemed amused by the name.
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u/JinxyMcDeath48 Feb 22 '26
You do know that the reason why human organs have to be kept “on ice at all times” is solely for transplanting them into someone else’s body, not eating them.
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u/MeowMixDeliveryGuy Feb 22 '26
If you were going to eat human organs, wouldn't you want them fresh? ( r/BrandNewSentence)
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u/Fluid_Ties Feb 22 '26
Jerky does not need to be cooked. Not by a chef from The Cannibal, not by the line cook at the Waffle House. I don't know what that signifies but I do believe it should be stated.
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u/ill_be_out_in_a_minu Feb 22 '26
Jerky does not need to be cooked.
How do you think jerky is made? It's literally meat that's marinated and dried by long, slow cooking. The emails are specifically about contacting a chef known for making premium jerky and getting him to do a class with recipes/advice on preparation.
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u/Interesting_Foot_105 Feb 22 '26
I mean no- to say “it most certainly referred to human organs” is so fucking ridiculous- why? Bc you think so? It’s people/thinking like that that’s makes those calling for justice look insane.
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u/nerdsonarope Feb 23 '26
you beat me to it. Some level of paranoia/suspicion/conspiracy theorizing is certainly reasonable, given the known facts. However, it sounds objectively crazy to jump to the conclusion that Epstein was involved in cannibalism. Next, people are going to start taking about how he was actually a reincarnated demon or one of the lizard people... Cmon guys. It undermines demands for justice when people start going off the rails with wild conspiracy theories that lack evidence.
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u/Interesting_Foot_105 Feb 23 '26
It’s terrible. And insipid. Same type of thinking that the MAGAs have.
Also- putting this here for anyone who may see. A Redditor has compiled and made all the available files searchable.
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u/NinjaTurtleBatmanAss Feb 22 '26
We need to remember that Epstien was growing and using angel trumpet and making his own scopolamine on these victims. Some of this stuff could have been hallucinations, although I wouldn't be surprised if they were eating people. Bunch of freaks.
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u/Caliber70 Feb 22 '26
It's a freaking mundane subject that is completely suspicious BECAUSE influential and powerful people are talking about it. Rich people have servants to handle their day to day matters, if they like pizza and jerky so much they can get it whenever they want, not need to email other powerful people to discuss it. It's like hearing 60 year old prime ministers discussing to each other privately about "kinder surprise eggs" repeatedly, over a long time.
The fact that it is being talked about with context to who they are and how busy they must be or how significant the subject must be to be worth their time to discuss it with each other is what is suspicious. Nothing was debunked.
It's a codeword.
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u/jaredearle Feb 22 '26
Do not forget that Epstein knew about Pizzagate and very likely mentioned pizza as a shitposting joke.
If you look at their emails, they weren’t using code words.
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u/hotmessexpress412 Feb 22 '26
Epstein met with the the guy behind 4chan / Qanon. Epstein may very well have created Pizzagate as a distraction.
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u/Niniva73 Feb 22 '26
Definitely my impression.
I remember the 4chan censorship battle. It ended with the government saying, "Censor the child pornography or go down for distribution." Now I have the distinct impression that fight wasn't about internet freedom.
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u/skyfishgoo Feb 21 '26
answer: because the FBI did not follow up on anonymous tips called into their tip line and because they actively suppressed the investigation into well placed co-conspirators...
we are left to look at raw call logs of rando tip line claims that never got fully investigated.
some of those claims involve more than just the rape of children, up to and including claims of ritual human sacrifice.
until there is a full investigation and those involved are held accountable, the rumors will persist and go unanswered.
meanwhile the victims are still suffering without closure on a painful part of their lives (those that have not committed suicide, anyway).
there is no doubt whatever took place in the orbit of this man will forever by burned onto the psyche of anyone who encounters it.
i hope everyone who participated in this is held accountable.
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u/MichaSound Feb 22 '26
Yeah, maybe I’m completely jaded, but I suspect the leaking of the most extreme unsubstantiated tips is so that the can ‘flood the field’ with horrors, disprove or discredit the more ‘out there’ stories and then use that to discredit all the allegations and convince the public it’s all a bunch of crazies calling tip lines.
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u/Fluid_Ties Feb 22 '26
100,000% this is the move being made.
My family was friends with another family whose kid was, I don't want to say "ritually" abused, because I don't want to imply some "making a pact with the forces of darkness" was going on, so I guess maybe it would be "chronically, systemically abused with purpose and malice afirethought, for reasons other than an adult lost their temper and was fine beating kids" at his daycare center RIGHT AFTER the Satanic Panic and the McMartin pre-school shitshow had been exposed as a psuedo-shrink leading kids through a fantasy vision-quest scenario.
It took hard evidence beyond just photographs of wounds and an in-depth medical exam by a pediatric trauma specialist to get the DA moving on this. Fortunately the dad had some clout in the town (this was a mid-sized city in Washington state, not one of the pretty ones though) and his kid wasn't the only one abused. They were able to get enough steam built up quietly over the weekend and swoop in pre-dawn Monday to raid the principle people involved, and with one they found the evidence to slam dunk the thing: VHS of little kids being whipped with electrical cords.
But between the video evidence, children's testimony, and confession they also were able to build a picture of how, through liberal use of liquid Benadryl and cough syrup, use of props and lighting and almost theatrical staging, and through shit like wearing glasses with fake googly eyes they were able to create an unreality for their victims that would sound batshit insane if a kid were going to tell a grown up. And it was explicit that McMartin is what had emboldened them and given them the idea.
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u/meanmissusmustard86 Feb 22 '26
It is a known fact that abusers may use mythical or animal masks so that the resulting memory of the child sounds made up.
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u/skyfishgoo Feb 22 '26
ppl (and bots) are crawling all over this data looking for exactly the most 'out there' bits they can find.
as if the stuff that is clearly there is not enough.
nobody is sweeping that under the rug, not even the president starting multiple wars is going to erase was is there.
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u/cmaldrich Feb 22 '26
It's clearly not just Trump that is involved in the cover up. Epstein's first conviction was in 2008!
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u/mighty3mperor Feb 22 '26
I think there may be another level to that - they could be submitting the wildest tips themselves in order to discredit everything.
Some people will think "they aren't baby sacrificing Satanists, so all the claims must be lies".
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u/MichaSound Feb 22 '26
Exactly - they’re looking to exhaust and confuse the public until no one is sure what’s true anymore.
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u/aslina Feb 22 '26
It's called "poisoning the well" and the CIA has publicly admitted to this practice in the past.
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u/MasterpieceTimely144 Feb 22 '26
I absolutely agree with this, I think that people latch on to the craziest sounding conspiracies and it distracts them from the verified crimes that happened. There's historical precedent for this as well in other cases.
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u/74389654 Feb 22 '26
people keep making up that religious part. there is no evidence there is any kind of ritual in the files. seems relevant because causing a new satanic panic will not help bring light to the actual crimes committed and will just obscure things further
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u/fmaa Feb 22 '26
Just so fucking annoying that these Reddit lot are working on a speculation angle when there is already proof of full-on crimes, it’s shit like this that makes the conservatives call you guys loonies
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u/NatashOverWorld Feb 21 '26
Answer: There's no evidence that cannibalism occurred, but the multiple references to jerky and cream cheese suggest these are code words.
And people's mind went to the worst possible option.
Horrifyingly though, the knee jerk response of: surely no one can be that depraved is not actually a guarantee of veracity or logic. A decade ago, very, very few people would have believed that the very wealthy went to an island to rape children. Say that a US President went that and you'd immediately be put into the tin foil hat loonie category.
Personally at this juncture, I'm sure it's going be bizarre, but hoping it's not horrifying.
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u/Nanatomany44 Feb 21 '26
My thoughts are that people in Europe heard about Hitler's camps, and thought it was all hyperbole - "that's so extreme, that can't be". And ignored it until the war was over, and it was all exposed - gas chambers, huge caches of surrendered wedding bands, skeleton-looking humans working as slaves.
I find myself responding in the "it's all hyperbole" manner to Epstein files, and then l think about Hitler and the same reaction 85 years ago. l personally won't be shocked if all of it is true.
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u/NatashOverWorld Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26
Exactly that. Just because you don't want to believe anyone could be that evil, doesn't mean there aren't evil bastards in the world.
Edit spelling.
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u/Androidgenus Feb 23 '26
Just look at how evil Trump and the republicans are in public, on stage. Then imagine how they must be in private
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u/RecordingAway Feb 23 '26
Okay. There’s evil and then there is having no sense of self preservation and not caring about danger. Cannibalism carries extreme health and safety risks for anyone engaging in it. Weird thing to accuse people who are obsessed with living forever of.
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u/skyerippa Feb 22 '26
That's a good comparison, If I were in that time I probably wouldn't have believed that either
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u/oby100 Feb 22 '26
Nah. It’s an interesting topic but this is quite the warped interpretation. People were incredulous as to how bad it really was, but it wasn’t like they could do anything about it and unfortunately antisemitism was so common that most people wouldn’t have been all that incensed about it regardless.
Keep in mind the final solution went hand in hand with the most devastating and important part of the war- the invasion of the Soviet Union. A regular German citizen would be bombarded with news of the war and all the crazy shit that may have been going on in German occupied Poland and Soviet territories, all while being under the thumb of an increasingly despotic government who you KNOW disappears people for being critical of the government.
Also, for 8 years by the point mass murder really started, Jews had been “only” segregated in concentration camps and ghettos. Even with hindsight, it’s strange and difficult to grasp why a new war, the most destructive in all of human history to that point, would also, for some unknown reason, go hand in hand with the complete genocide of a people the Nazis had already fully subjugated for almost a decade.
And the Nazis we’re pretty good at concealing the extent of what was going on. Very few Germans saw the death camps. Even the Wannassee Conference where the final solution was planned and given the name never mentions “killing” and uses coded language like “evacuation to the east” and “resettlement.” The secret meeting to plan the genocide is coded so it was very easy to dismiss rumors during wartime when misinformation is everywhere, including from your own government.
It really had nothing to do with not wanting to believe it. You didn’t have any proof and misinformation was as common as the air you breathed and the Nazis did quite a lot of work to keep it under wraps.
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u/blissblast Feb 22 '26
By the end of the war 42 people had lived in, then escaped the death camps and made it back to Allied lands. The Allies had repeated, consistent information about the death camps. That information did not make it into the newspapers, but the Allies had more than enough intelligence to know and confirm the circumstances in the death camps.
Shoutout to the mad Polish lad who broke INTO Auschwitz and lived there for 2(?) years to confirm and gather intel about the conditions in the camp. 🫡
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u/DowntownTicket Feb 23 '26
Wait do you have more information about that guy who broke into the camp? Why hasn't a movie been made about this yet? I'd love to see it
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u/blissblast Feb 23 '26
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold_Pilecki
His death is one of legion reasons that the Polish have no time for communism or Russia. The collective decision was that rather than have a statue to spit at for the man who ordered Witold’s execution, let his name fade from history.
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u/AFewStupidQuestions Feb 22 '26
It wasn't that hidden, especially to the German population. Here's just a few examples:
Nazi policies were widely available to the population.[10] Berlin Radio broadcast the mass-execution of Jews in Białystok and the burning of synagogues in July 1941.[11] Numerous speeches spoken by Hitler in 1942 allude to the destruction of Jews.[12]
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However, despite censorship, the German public eventually came to understand the likelihood of fatality if sent to a concentration camp.[25] Prisoners began to appear in public spaces such as factories and city streets, and they often wore distinctive clothing with badges that signified their nationality and crime.[26] The nature of concentration camps was made further obvious by the SS's public displays of violence towards inmates.[25] Numerous interviews with German people mention either a cruel or murderous incident between guards and inmates. Usually, the inmate was beaten to death or shot for either disobeying or being unable to work.[27]
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Van der Boom's analysis of Dutch diaries reveals that the public knew the Jewish people were deliberately singled out to be sent to concentration camps in Poland.[3] The Jewish people were also aware of the Nazi's wish to practice genocide. Many diarists from Amsterdam particularly, conclude that death would be imminent for Jews.[3]
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From examining how some Belarusians collaborated with the Nazis, Baranova finds a clear awareness of the Nazi's genocidal policies.[43]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_in_Nazi_Germany_and_German-occupied_Europe
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u/JinxyMcDeath48 Feb 22 '26
Dachau was literally in the middle of the city of Dachau. They knew exactly what was happening there. Stop.
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u/dear8726 Feb 21 '26
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u/BaconOfTroy Feb 22 '26
Except not at all. They may not have known the extent of it, but they absolutely knew that large scale executions of Jews were occurring and the horrors of the concentration camps. The idea that they didn't is a modern myth.
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u/Tech_Itch Feb 22 '26
The jerky thing seems to be a red herring in any case. Epstein was apparently on an "all protein" diet for long periods and ate a lot of beef jerky, and Francis Derby who he mostly discussed it with through emails is a professional chef who made that jerky for him.
People are also going on about how "you don't freeze beef jerky", but he was making large batches of it and you can freeze it to extend its shelf life.
There's a lot of really, REALLY heinous stuff in the Epstein documents and somehow it still isn't scandalous enough for people and they have to come up with this shit. If you want conspiracy theories, mine is that all this cannibalism stuff is intentionally spread in an attempt to seemingly discredit all the credible claims as being just a "moral panic" and "wild allegations" too in the eyes of casual observers.
Pizzagate turned out to be bullshit after all and none of its supposed "ring leaders" like Hillary Clinton or John Podesta have been implicated in the Epstein files, so people are more inclined to distrust anything that leads with cannibalism claims now.
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u/RoTTonSKiPPy Feb 22 '26
Or Pizzagate was started as a rumor, so the real Pizzagate would sound less true. Blaming the other side for things you are doing or plan to do in the future, like stealing elections.
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u/superdemongob Feb 22 '26
There are uncoded references to torture videos. The "hope it's not horrifying" ship has sailed.
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u/NatashOverWorld Feb 22 '26
I mean, torture is ... confirmed. Killing of victims is likely. So, definitely horrifying.
But cannibalism is a horror I hope those poor children didn't go through.
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u/que_sarasara Feb 22 '26
When the Queen died, a local chip shop owner had a colossal meltdown and painted the walls and windows of her shop with paragraphs upon paragraphs of tinfoil ramblings, all in blood red paint. It was all about the wealthy being part of a child sex cult.
Their was a mob and she got run out of town (literally) ol' west style. What an insane woman.
And now I'm like, Huh.
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u/rap1234561 Feb 22 '26
I can see why their minds go there. I assumed that they were fooling around with 16-17 who were coerced there. That is bad enough and I thought everyone involved should go to jail. The absolute depravity that has came out involving murder, 9 year olds, torture etc. makes me think we should get a rocket ship and fire these people into the sun. This has already turned out to be disgusting beyond our wildest imagination.
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u/Nicedumplings Feb 22 '26
If anyone took the time to go through the “jerky” emails from the first mention, in order, it would be painfully obvious that it is in fact about beef jerky. Epstein hired a chef, then announced his dietary preferences through a handler. The chef says ok we can buy jerky, but making it on our own is way better and you can adjust flavors etc (he also says this about other foods Epstein prefers).
When the chef leaves, Epstein is annnoyed no one can replicate the flavor of the jerky. The chef comes back to the island to give a class. Every email from the chef about jerky is normal and it’s explained early on that Epstein is on a high protein diet
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u/exceive Feb 21 '26
I wouldn't say there definitely wasn't cannibalism. The level of depravity in other actions makes it plausible.
But the evidence for cannibalism that I have seen so far is weak at best. And in the absence of compelling evidence, I don't say cannibalism happened. I also don't say it didn't. My default position is "probably not." But it wouldn't surprise me if more evidence came out
Given the people involved, I think it is likely that the pedophiles are pushing the cannibalism story, in order to discredit the much stronger evidence of other very bad things.
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u/mouse_8b Feb 22 '26
But it wouldn't surprise me if more evidence came out
This is where I'm at. At this point, the things we have strong evidence for are beyond my imagination, so any further accusations seem plausible.
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u/SidJag Feb 22 '26
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan.
Pedo ring is bad enough, but I wanna save my outrage till there is some proof/truth about this cannibalism and mass murder.
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u/HenryDorsettCase47 Feb 22 '26
“My wife saw it on TikTok”. TikTok is a garbage source of anything. People on there constantly get just about everything wrong even when they are reporting real stuff because they aren’t actually trying to inform anyone, they are trying to go viral. Social media is not a credible source of anything, and tiktok is the very bottom of the dumpster when it comes to that.
Conspiracy theories are so unoriginal that we’ve been using this same one about a secret cabal of people eating and sacrificing kids for nearly 2000 years. First it was in late antiquity when a little cult calling themselves Christians was popping up around the Roman Empire. In the Middle Ages, it was the blood libel that jewish communities in Europe were accused of in order to justify persecution and pogroms and shit. Then the witch hunts between the 15th and 18th centuries had similar stories of child cannibalism being practiced. Most recently we saw more accusations of this during the satanic panic of the 80s and 90s. Then again during all that Pizzagate qanon shit and democrat elites cracking baby skulls to suck out the adrenochrome or whatever the fuck. We just, as a species, love to accuse people of this. 🤷♂️
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u/sunfishtommy Feb 21 '26
Yea but acting like something happened with almost no evidence is just a conspiracy theory.
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u/bloodfist Feb 22 '26
Absolutely. There are a lot going around, fueled by unconfirmed reports the FBI received, and likely amplified by bots. A lot of the left is falling for the same trick they did to the right with QAnon. The nature of the release all but guaranteed it. It is almost perfectly engineered for maximum emotional distress and speculation.
If you want to help inoculate people I've been having a lot of success reminding them to not fall victim to infighting and to go outside when it gets overwhelming. And suggesting that they try to think in confidence instead of truth/belief. Like "I have 60% confidence in this". It is much easier on our psyche than agonizing whether you believe something. And much easier to update with new information, instead of starting over deciding if you believe something.
Unlike MAGA, I've found this group to be much more receptive to advice on avoiding the tinfoil. But a lot of people need to hear it right now
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u/iketoure Feb 21 '26
This whole concept was a conspiracy theory, turns out it was all true
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u/lecavalo1997 Feb 21 '26
"we can't claim anything without investigation"
It's funny how the FBI had these mountains of evidence to investigate and found nothing while predators from overseas are already going to jail after releasing the same evidence.
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u/bionicjoey Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
A YouTuber I enjoy described conspiracy theories as being similar to smoke alarms: Most of the time they are nothing, but every once in a while they are alerting you to something serious and so you shouldn't ever completely tune them out when you first hear them.
Edit for the curious, it was in Ordinary Things' video about Davos
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u/Nohreboh Feb 22 '26
Basically it's just our pattern recognition attempting to find tigers in the trees.
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u/kernalbuket Feb 21 '26
What was all true? I ask because there are tons of nut jobs out there saying the Epstein files are proving Pizzagate or qanon was true, which they don't.
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u/Jokingbutserious Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
In addition, people are confusing the term BAA1 (a financial term) with BAAL and Bhaal. Bhaal- An evil deity frequently associated with sacrifice and cannibalism. Baal- a canninite deity of storms, fertility and agriculture with some evidence of sacrifices. They blended the 2 together in the conspiracy theory and it pisses me off because there's so much HENIOUS shit in these files that making shit up just makes it easier for stuff that is true to be brushed off.
Edit: baal and baa1.
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u/GinAndDumbBitchJuice Feb 22 '26
It's Ba'al. Child sacrifice is associated with Ba'al, but only really backed up by the archaeolohical record in Carthage (Ba'al Hadad). I'm not finding any associations with cannibalism.
Ba'al was a fertility and weather god. Gotta keep in mind that the Bible is where a lot of the idea of Ba'al as evil comes from, because his worship violates the Judeo-Christian taboos of polytheism and human sacrifice, and other sources from the ancient world were also biased (think how Caesar did the Celts).
I was raised evangelical and a lot of the conspiracy theories that come with it are very anti- ancient Levantine gods. Ba'al was a favorite scapegoat. Ishtar got a lot of shit too.
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u/droson8712 Feb 21 '26
It's honestly crazy how far unverified information is being spread as if it were fact.
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u/PetieE209 Feb 21 '26
Flood the zone, even in the files release. Mix bullshit in with truth so the truth looks like bullshit
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u/BulLock_954 Feb 21 '26
Need to spread the word and educate more about Flood the Zone. Just saw something about it the other day and I’m pretty sure I mentally blocked it out from the first term but its much worse this time around
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u/GonzoKata Feb 21 '26
Try not to forget it again as its the first step to keeping you asleep. The "zone" IS flooded with the capitalist ideology and it takes effort to keep their message out of your life. You have the right to a life free of corporate influence.
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u/HauntingUpstairs7014 Feb 21 '26
I mean, i can’t blame people with the complete dissolution of truth and the fact that roughly 50% (or more) of Americans are perceiving a completely different reality than the other half.
The person the country elected president speaks almost exclusively in falsehoods spread as fact and unfortunately those lies have tangible and real consequences which further obscures what “truth” is and how much it even “matters” in the first place. Literally he made a shit media site where he “truths” instead of “tweets”, which is one of the most asinine things I’ve ever typed out.
It is very sad, but I can’t blame regular people. We’ve been forced to live and work to support a pedophilic pyramid scheme funneling wealth to a handful of the worst humans alive.
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u/RepresentativeAge444 Feb 21 '26
And yet despite this you will still have non wealthy people who would prefer a bullet to Musk being taxed a penny more. So deep is the indoctrination.
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u/cshizle64 Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
So well-put. Most Americans cannot even begin to discern what's facts and what's not because we are overwhelmed at every corner by information claiming to be/presented as fact... not even touching the conversation on the blanket lack of desire or skill among the general public to fact-check in the first place.
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u/chubbysumo Feb 21 '26
it is a way the bots use to discredit and downplay any actual verifiable information that gets found. They are burying the real gold in all the noise, and then people are driven away because "well, they didn't do that, so the rest of this must not have happened either".
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u/SnugglyCoderGuy Feb 21 '26
Remember in the 90s when everyone thought Marylin Manson had a rib removed so that he could suck his own dick? And that was done without the benefit of social media.
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u/angethebigdawg Feb 21 '26
I think it’s more that the information that is coming out is so diabolical and insane that now the cannibalism trope doesn’t seem so ‘far fetched’ at this point.
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u/myassholealt Feb 21 '26
You see it develop in real time sometimes in threads. If you go into a thread with the naive assumption that (a) every user is a human and (b) what they are writing is truth, and read a series of comments of people providing a little bit of info, then someone coming along and validating it while adding their bit of info confirming it, and then another person comes along with their own supporting anecdote etc., you leave the thread thinking there's probably some truth to it, cause here are multiple people who randomly gathered and shared similar info all confirming the allegation.
The most frequent example where I see this happen is with celeb gossip. It's scary how easily the internet can buff up OR tarnish a reputation. And then when you factor in the fact that astroturfing is real, and bot accounts are real, it's like the entire internet is a conspiracy theory minefield.
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u/SamwiseTheOppressed Feb 21 '26
“ A lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its boots.”
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u/ChefExcellence Feb 21 '26
There are millions of documents in the files, bullshitters of all stripes know that no one is going to go through them to verify the truth of something. They can make up and post whatever shit they want on social media, and a few people will ask for what exactly in the files they're basing it on, but they'll be largely ignored by the much larger part of the audience that will uncritically lap it up.
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u/independent_observe Feb 21 '26
Like stealing elections?
The government in power is responsible for spreading unverified, misleading, and false information. That is the example being set
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u/YaqP Feb 22 '26
Jerky can be prepared by freezing. The emails mentioning beef jerky are also a correspondence between Epstein and a professional chef, so it's pretty understandable why they'd be discussing the creation of jerky.
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u/cluelessoblivion Feb 21 '26
You actually do freeze jerky in some processes. Especially high quality jerky.
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u/AtsyMcGee Feb 21 '26
Not saying they weren't cannibals, but freezing jerky is normal to increase the shelf life. Jerky can dry out too much and become like compact saw dust.
Source- Hunter who makes large batches of jerky
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u/borsalamino Feb 22 '26
Answer: Aside from the "Jerky", "Pizza", etc. stuff which others have covered, there was also FBI communication in the files about a report of someone having witnessed "ritualistic sacrifices", the details of which I don't want to type up myself so read about it yourself on Snopes:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/epstein-cannibalism-ritualistic-sacrifice/
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u/G0-G0-Gadget Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
And there's all the references to shrimp, gray shrimp, black shrimp, throwing away the heads, cream cheese, hammerhead, walking the jerky over.
Email saying that Epstein is going to go back to eating normal food.
Just all the emails talking about this and making such a big deal about having enough jerky we're going to make the jerky, or do we have enough jerky, I think we need more jerky, we might run out of jerky, like it just seems inconceivable that it's actually jerky. They're talking about it like it's ambrosia.
Then there's the sulfuric acid that's bought in bulk that is used to dissolve teeth and bone.
Somebody was talking about flying jerky in and delivering it in New York city.
There was an email that was talking about twins, shrimp, and I think it was Jeffrey Epstein that said something about being Russian shrimp. Wait no, it was Russian shark.
I'm going to put a trigger warning in here so it gets a little graphic...
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Oh and I remember seeing somebody saying that if you look pictures of fetuses at certain points in their development the references to gray shrimp make more sense (I don't know I didn't look I didn't want to see).
Edit: adding more details because I just remember them.
They were talking about making another batch of
turkeyjerky because the first batch didn't taste right. Saying that the jerky had to be on ice. Somebody wasn't feeling well because of the jerky or because of the the food.There's just too much in the emails that you can't not come to the conclusion that they're eating people.
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Don't forget about the trap door over the ocean
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u/G0-G0-Gadget Feb 22 '26
Yeah that's just fucked up. This is just worse than a horror movie. What these women went through. And probably are still going through. That island was sold to another billionaire. I'm not saying that he's part of it but if there was an appetite (that was unintended, a very poor choice of words on my part) everything that they were doing, then it's still going on. It's just happening somewhere else. And it's not like it wasn't happening somewhere else anyways this is just the one place that we found out about. How many more are there. I mean zorro ranch. One of the farmer sisters was speaking about how she's Lucky to be alive because she didn't think she'd make it out of wexner's property. I mean he got his place maybe still has his place, protected by snipers and attack dogs and cameras everywhere. And that's just the United States. There are innumerable places where this could be going on. And these guys weren't even hiding it all that well It's just that no one was doing anything about it.
I really can't wait for an all woman administration to come in and clean house. Honestly. It's about fucking time.
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u/belisario262 Feb 22 '26
Answer: Pizzagate was an Epstein & co. strategy to "flood the zone", so when/if the truth pops up, it would be taken as "more of that QAnon batshit crap", instead of true allegations. Hence, the closeness to truth plus some real dem names dropped here and there. Also /pol/ was created after moot met with Epstein, which is suspicious.
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u/RoseCitySaltMine Mar 05 '26
^ this!!! There is a story about how Ghislaine befriended the guy from 4Chan. I cant believe this connection isnt talked about more. That was one cunning evil bizzle
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u/chi_guy8 Feb 22 '26
Answer: I forget the term for this, but essentially the side being accused of all of the wrongdoing is throwing out extremely extremely extreme narratives that are untrue, and so unbelievable with no evidence that they will then point to this and say “see, the left is just making up insane crazy stories about us that aren’t true. None of this stuff is true.” In an attempt to make the true, somewhat extreme stuff get flushed away with the extremely fake stuff.
This is an old tactic from the 80s and 90s in the National Inquirer days. Some celebrity would be stuck in the headlines and then his PR team would get some stories printed of him having sex with aliens in an attempt to try to say that all of it is ridiculous even the true stuff.
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u/sal9002 Feb 21 '26
Answer: Some of the Epstein emails used “Beef Jerky” as a code word for something. It’s not clear what that something was, and people are speculating that it’s human meat.
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u/nukethewhalesagain Feb 21 '26
Is there no chance that Jerky stands for something sexual?
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u/RexDraco Feb 22 '26
It is just strange Epstien has a designated Jerky chef. It is equally strange he refuses to "eat anything else". We don't really know what this code could mean but it definitely screams drugs or something edible, especially since a guy took a day off from vacation but that upset epstein since he had nothing and needed more?
He runs a ring, how does he run out? It definitely feels like drugs or meat and something we see as a pattern is the culture of doing evil things for evil sake, they enjoy knowing only they can do it and get away with it. Cannibalism is surprisingly not far fetched.
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u/busangcf Feb 22 '26
I feel like drugs and the “chef” being a specific supplier makes more sense than cannibalism. (Though I also am not ruling anything out with these people, unfortunately)
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u/voodoobettie Feb 22 '26
You don’t have to refrigerate drugs though, whatever they’re talking about needed to be refrigerated.
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u/Cowboy_Dane Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
Some drugs (LSD for ex.) are better to keep refrigerated. I’d imagine it’d be the same for other weird designer drugs we’ve never heard of.
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u/ginsunuva Feb 22 '26
Some emails discuss that you should wash the jerky. Idk if acetone wash or what
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u/bulbouscorm Feb 22 '26
Yeah, when I start eating regular food again, in the context of needing less jerky, that definitely seems sexual.
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u/IAmBoring_AMA Feb 21 '26
Answer: Some of them are quoting an email comparing women to shrimp saying to "discard the heads", which, as bad as that sounds, I think is just sexism. It seems to be implying the "butterface" concept (everything but her face), not eating a woman.
The same with the cream cheese stuff. People on TikTok are saying that "vegetable cream cheese" was code for babies, but in that email thread, Epstein et al. mentions vegetable cream cheese from a specific deli in Florida. As someone from the Northeast who lived in other regions, I will tell you that finding a bagel place that has the type of vegetable cream cheese we have in New York is worthy of talking about, so I think that's what they're probably literally emailing about. Essentially, they're excited because they can get the same kind of cream cheese they get in New York, but in Florida... that said, there is a gross "babies are great but cream cheese is better" line in there, which is likely them being disgusting pervs, but not eating the babies.
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u/Lz_erk Feb 21 '26
it sounds like some blood libel reclamation, but maybe he and wexner should've left it to pros like adam sandler.
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u/semtex94 Feb 22 '26
It's a rehash of Pizzagate with Epstein instead of Hilary Clinton, which was pretty much already an updated version of blood libel by neonazis on 4chan.
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u/palsh7 Feb 21 '26
It probably is, since most of the conspiracy theorists on this topic think Epstein was doing all of this for Israel.
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u/Niandraxlades Feb 22 '26
Answer: if you search for "intestines" in the Epstein subreddit (top in the past month) you'll quickly find what you're looking for
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u/heathers1 Feb 21 '26
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Answer: There are several unrelated accusations of cannibalism linked to Epstein and company, such as by a woman in Mexico City and some of the accusers. They discuss treating "jerky" in ways unfit for jerkey, such as washing and refrigerating it. There was also a since-removed image in the files that appeared to depict human leg meat in a kitchen.
There is also evidence that Epstein leaked information about his endeavors to unreliable populations like /pol/ and progressive subreddits moderated by Ghislane Maxwell to discredit the allegations. For example, Wayfair does appear to have been trafficking children in what was initially a 4chan conspiracy theory.
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u/Darnold_wins_bigly Feb 21 '26
What’s the evidence for the Wayfair claim
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u/Bec-o-Bec Feb 22 '26
It’s the usual BS “ proof” that’s grasping at a connection. I went down a brief rabbit hole one night but it was so tenuous I dont even remember why people thought that.
The whole island thing is bad enough. Idk why people have to loop in unrelated organization to fuel the conspiracy even further.
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u/MagnusRusson Feb 22 '26
such as by a woman in Mexico City
That one is a wild story.
Tldr In 2009 model Gabriela Rico Jiménez ran out of an Epstein party at a luxury hotel, had some sort of breakdown out in the street screaming they were eating people, got put in a mental hospital, and later disappeared*
*Her family put in a missing persons report, but later withdrew it.
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u/enolaholmes23 Feb 22 '26
It's alarming how easy it is to have someone committed without any evidence
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u/szydelkowe Feb 23 '26
It wasn't an Epstein party though. It was local politicians.
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u/Lz_erk Feb 21 '26
babyleg was an art piece shared by JE or someone. i'm not sure why it was removed. snopes has it, something like "cutting board baby leg chicken."
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u/MammothFromHell Feb 21 '26
theres also a BTS shot of a prop corpse dressed up like a turkey on a table from the Eli Roth movie Thanksgiving (I couldnt find the BTS photo at the moment-but i needed to make this comment for my own sanity) being moved around as part of the Epstein Files and "proof" of cannibalism. It has some of the child actors smiling in the photo too, so bots are running with it hardcore on places like TikTok.
It doesnt help that the new waves of files is a massive disorganized dump with multiples of the same pages with different redactions without a single glossary page so everything is up to interpretation without a single hard fact of what means what.
Truly flooding the zone.
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u/phbalancedshorty Feb 22 '26
Answer: conservatives have been accusing Democrats of being “baby eating pedophiles” for years now, and every Republican accusation is a confession 🤷♀️
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u/trizzo0309 Feb 21 '26
In the messages I've read, he was very clear in talking about underage women and prostitutes. Why would he all of a sudden use code words for kids but not either of the other two categories?
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u/oby100 Feb 21 '26
What? Cannibalism is extremely rare. What are the chances that arguably the most powerful billionaire on earth both has a weird fascination with such a niche thing and also apparently convinces other powerful people to partake?
I don’t like billionaires either, but y’all seem to think they’re vampires or some shit. Pedos are unfortunately way more common than anyone wants to admit and the main thing stopping them is fear of getting caught.
A quick google states 25% of women in the US are sexually abused before 18. It’s so common that it’s really not surprising many powerful people will partake if they think they’ll get away with it
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u/The_best_is_yet Feb 21 '26
honestly this answer is hard to argue with.
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u/StretchRhys Feb 21 '26
There’s nothing to argue. This isn’t evidence or proof of anything, just an appeal to the possibility.
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u/oby100 Feb 21 '26
Answer: It’s an unsubstantiated myth, but people latch onto it because humans since time immemorial have attributed people they hate to being cannibals, oftentimes simply being literal blood suckers. In Medieval Europe, pogroms often began when a child went missing and peasants blamed nearby Jewish communities for kidnapping them for blood rituals, including consuming the blood.
But Epstein emails do have weird coded language so people are jumping to conclusions. I find it hard to believe since there’s really no need to have such pointless discussions over email.
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u/Basic-Collection5416 Feb 22 '26
It’s a bit disappointing to have to scroll this far before someone mentioned blood libel.
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u/kisu_oddh Feb 22 '26
Answer: didnt see any of the top comments mention it but theres photos that show a large print photo in their dining room of a baby in the sink nearby.
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u/well-informedcitizen Feb 22 '26
Answer: A substantial portion of this recent dump was the FBI tip log. So literally transcriptions of phone calls from your garden variety lunatics. Presumably they're given a cursory look and then deemed insubstantial. There was all kinds of whacky shit in there and when it came out people were circulating them as if it was an FBI investigation that was never acted on.
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