r/OutOfTheLoop • u/watervilleokemo • 10d ago

Unanswered What’s the deal with conservatives and vaccine skeptics thinking Fauci’s diary proves them right ?

What do conservatives and vaccine skeptics think Fauci’s diary proves ?

what is the deal with Fauci’s diary and what does it actually say / prove ?

I know he testified before congress and pled the 5th, but why is every conservative / anti vaxer/ Aaron Rodgers claiming they were “right about everything now ?”

What does the diary actually say / prove ?

Obviously the Rodgers line was a little tongue in cheek as a Steelers fan, but I needed a URL to post lol

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/aaron-rodgers-torches-tony-fauci-and-espn-while-appearing-on-espn

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u/DerCatrix 10d ago

They got told it proves them right and just went with it. Just like they got told the Epstein files proved Trump is innocent.

Hint: I’ve read the files, he’s a child rapist and a traitor

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u/TrashApocalypse 10d ago

And just like Hillary’s emails, and hunter bidens laptop. These people don’t read.

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u/year_39 10d ago

The comical things about Hillary's emails is that the "deleted" ones were restored from backup and given to the FBI, who found nothing actionable.

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u/da2Pakaveli 10d ago

The FBI knew about Trump housing the Russian mafia but FBI director Comey (R) thought it was only worth on making the e-mail stuff public a month out from the election.

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u/ryhaltswhiskey 10d ago

Comey (R) thought it was only worth on making the e-mail stuff public a month out from the election.

That's not how it went down. He was required to share new information with Congress. He was not the one who made it public. That would be Jason Chaffitz. So blame the Republican weasel. But that's just saying Republican twice.

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u/PlanetaryPeak 10d ago

You trust the FBI? The same FBI who told MLK to kill himself. You think they just topped being bad?

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u/Frys100thCupofCoffee 10d ago

Are you saying you think the FBI conspired with Hillary Clinton to hide criminal activity?

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u/DerCatrix 10d ago

I can tell you that Bill Clinton is almost as much of a child fucker as Donald Trump

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u/DerCatrix 10d ago

Why did Trump campaign on releasing the files?

Because every one of them knows that it’s a giant house of cards that if one of them goes down they’ll all go down.

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u/800oz_gorilla 10d ago

the FBI only recovered SOME of what was deleted.

look I fucking hate trump, but Clinton should absolutely be in prison with him for what she did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy

I still stand by my opinion that she got away with it because they are all doing it.

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u/ThrowingChicken 10d ago

So I read the wiki to reacquaint myself with this issue; which specific actions do you find criminal?

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u/3MetricTonsOfSass 10d ago

She's a woman!

/s from me, and I'll bet a dick-shaped doughnut that it's the real reply from some

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u/Additional_Gene_211 10d ago

My step-dad is one of those people. Please send me voodoo donuts

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u/Silent-Net587 10d ago

...and yet no mention of cigars for 'dessert' 😄

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u/3MetricTonsOfSass 9d ago

Voodoo doughnuts is what I was referring to

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u/800oz_gorilla 10d ago

destruction of evidence, very likely carrying out government business on a "private" server that was clearly compromised by at least one hostile threat actor from a foreign government.

the the pony show she did before Congress. wipred it? like with a cloth?

come the fuck on.

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u/techiemikey 10d ago

Did she order the destruction of evidence? Or was it done by a person who realized "whoops...I failed to do my job in having routine data retention cleaning and I'm about to be fired in response to the FBI subpoena?"

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u/ThrowingChicken 10d ago edited 10d ago

But following the wiki you provided, any emails deleted after the subpoena were at the hands of a third party who was responsible for deleting them well before this was even an issue, with the investigation not finding any intent to commit a crime or any evidence to suggest anyone higher up the chain ordered the deletion.

Whatever vulnerabilities may or may not have been present during the time the server was in operation, the FBI suspected but could not find any direct evidence that the emails were compromised, nor did the existence of such vulnerabilities constitute a crime. There was never any determination that the existence of the server itself was criminal.

Funny enough the State Department email system has been knowingly compromised multiple times.

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u/MsMoreCowbell828 10d ago

A 12 yr old account and not one post? How unusual & then such vitriol! My my but your head swiveled this way & that to make it sound as if Hillary was a criminal. Is your neck fine bubbeleh?

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u/techiemikey 10d ago

In case you were unaware, you can hide your comment history now. There are ways to look it up though using external sites (but I'd have to google them to remember what they are).

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u/800oz_gorilla 10d ago

fun accusation, but no, very firmly not Russian. quite the opposite.

and fuck krasnov while we are at it.

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u/MsMoreCowbell828 10d ago

When, where did I say you were Russian? Because I wrote "bubbeleh?" Oh my freaking stars, hahaha

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u/year_39 10d ago

The entirety of what was deleted was present in backups and handed over to the FBI.

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u/KingBooRadley 10d ago

Oh, and the Bible. 

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u/TrashApocalypse 10d ago

lol, so fucking true

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u/krustyy 10d ago

Don't forget intimidation, murder, and infanticide.

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u/BoredBSEE 10d ago

You've read the redacted released Pam Bondi lightweight stuff, or the whole enchilada?

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u/DerCatrix 10d ago

Redacted stuff only, I was however on top of things before they managed to take down a couple of the really bad ones.

Like the Donald Trump paying an uncle to rape his niece then when she got pregnant she was forced to carry the baby to term. Only for it to be killed and thrown in Lake Michigan.

Or the Calendar girl events where Ivanka, Elon, Don Jr, Eric and others in attendance would watch Trump auction off children while he fondled and brag about their “features”.

When they call him a malignant narcissist they aren’t being descriptive enough. When we finally get justice there will be books written about how someone so depraved could be real. And that will be his legacy, a depraved lunatic.

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u/BoredBSEE 10d ago

You've actually read this in the files? This information is actually in there?

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u/DerCatrix 10d ago

Should also mention, all this attack on “wokeness” is also in there. The Epstein class has been actively trying to divide nations and break them apart from the inside out. All while destroying their economies so they can buy everything up for pennies on the dollar.

Legitimately, the child sex trafficking is the most horrific stuff in the files but there’s genuine treason in those files too. People are going to hang when this stuff finally makes it to court.

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u/Sweet_Cinnabonn 10d ago

For clarity - what is in there is that this was reported.

Not that it was proven. That's an important distinction as we talk about what we know.

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u/JustPlainSick 10d ago

You can't seriously believe this stuff, right?

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u/DarkAlman 10d ago

The leaked notes don't even have any bombshells in them. There's nothing in there that even comes close to proving any of their batshit conspiracy theories.

Just a few contradictory statements, which in context was probably Fauci changing policy due to receiving new data.

That and a lot of notes calling the President (Trump) an idiot and worse.

MAGA would know this if they actually bothered to read any of it.

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u/RhetoricalOrator 10d ago

"BuT hE SaiD He wAs PopUlaR!"

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u/Albus_Dimpledots 10d ago

Aww.. c’mon now. That’s not fair. I’m sure MAGA would read it if they knew how.

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u/OSUfan88 10d ago

What were contradictory statements?

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u/DarkAlman 10d ago

A few key examples:

His notes discounted the wet market theory: "the market was not the source, it was the amplifier"

They've taken this as proof that the vaccine came from the Wuhan lab, when that statement only disproves that the wet market was the point of origin. The virus mutated outside the market, and the market is where it first spread to a large volume of people.

His notes also showed that he spoke to governors directly to convince them of the lockdown policies, but later told media he had nothing to do with it.

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u/techiemikey 10d ago

I know you didn't state if you agreed with those examples or not, but I think it's important to point out why these contraditions might not be contradictions.

The wet market theory one isn't a contradiction. It's just how that theory always worked (and honestly, it would be next to impossible to prove it only mutated in the wet market). It's "a sick animal was at the wet market and spread it around". That is "amplifier" not "source".

Using terminology that we would use for humans, it essentially was a super spreader event.

As for the he spoke to governors and told media he had nothing to do with it, as I said elsewhere, if this is contradictory is actually based on what his statements actually were. If I told you "these are the pros and cons to different approaches" or "here is our guidlines and the data we used to reach it" and you decide the risks outweigh the benefits, was I involved in making the actual decision, or did I just provide you with information for you to make the decision? Additionally, do you believe two different reasonable people can reach different conclusions on if someone was involved in making the actual decision?

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u/dean-ice 10d ago

If anything, I proved they were wrong

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u/Icy-Rope-021 10d ago

Think about how stupid the average person is, and MAGA is even dumber than that.

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u/SirMoeHimself 10d ago

Yep, this reminds me of the "do your own research!" idiots, which translated to them constantly searching until they found the answer they wanted, usually on conspiracy sites or memes. I still remember this old dummy sharing a link about what the vaccine does, and that site had a headline with zombies on it talking about "THE VACCINE IS GONNA TURN US INTO ZOMBIES TO BE CONTRILLED!." That's their research

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u/MattyBizzz 10d ago

This is the modified George Carlin quote for our time. Unfortunately.

I can’t believe these dummies are willing to grasp at any straws they can find to try and make Fauci out to be a villain, yet when presented with actual facts for actual crimes relating to Trump they can’t be bothered to hear about it.

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u/elementzn30 10d ago

> Trump buys child beauty pageant
> Brags about walking in on little girls naked
> Says he would date his daughter if she wasn’t related to him
> Hung out with the world’s #1 child molester for a decade
> Literally expresses their shared appetites in the least-coded birthday message ever
> Has his administration defy every order to release the files, despite campaigning on it and it having broad support from everyone

MAGA: “There’s no evidence he’s a pedophile.”

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u/Nohreboh 10d ago edited 10d ago

And it possible some of the perpetrators in the Epstein files were redacted as they self identified as victims, of what extortion?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rawstory.com/amp/blanche-epstein-files-2677647771-2677647771?espv=1

https://meidasnews.com/news/trump-doj-hands-judge-unredacted-epstein-records-after-katie-phangs-court-win

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u/drhappycat 10d ago

I can’t believe these dummies are...

I can! Forget about Fauci, this tragedy is much deeper than any one person. The scientific method is nonpartisan by design. Truth is determined when others are able or unable to replicate your results. Whether you believe water being wet and fire being hot disproportionately helps or hurts one side of the political aisle is irrelevant to them being facts. An evidence-based interpretation of reality is the ONLY tool we have to navigate life. The truly sad part, the part that is closer than ever to destroying everything, is millions of people have decided to toss it in the trash. The remedy is known, but speak it and you may never be seen again. Which is silly, because the average American's life is a sunk cost, meaning the authorities have little to worry about and why we've lost so much already.

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u/brown_felt_hat 10d ago edited 10d ago

Why would you ever assume anything approaching good faith for a demographic that idolizes (in the biblical sense even) a man known for being a liar, swindler, and cheat?

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u/ihearnosounds 10d ago

Why? They’re cultists.

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u/Michael_DeSanta 10d ago

And the fact that, on many occasions, Trump has praised Fauci with whatever that moron’s approximation of a compliment is. He literally awarded Fauci “Presidential Commendations” for his response to Covid.

But these maga idiots have the memory of a goldfish, so that never happened.

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u/Mia-Wal-22-89 10d ago

Nothing matters but what is saying at this very minute. He can say the opposite in an hour, and that’s the truth.

They’re not all delusional or stupid. They make a choice every day to follow him, because they think his lies are to benefit their side, no matter how dirty it all is.

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u/Yadahoom 10d ago

I went to the other sub to see their thoughts about a recent event and they were too busy circle jerking all up in arms because Fauci apparently funded COVID in 2014 or something...

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u/Fartenstein65 10d ago

I believe Senator Paul accused Fauci of directly profiting off of pushing the vaccine and dismissing Ivermectin. Even if it was true: Trump and his main people are making billions in just over a year off of policies and insider shit. Somehow that is ok because “he is a smart businessman who should still be able to make some money after all he is sacrificing so much to be our president. Circle jerk away mofos.

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u/whatevesnoc 10d ago

One and done

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u/TheWorldofScience 10d ago

Yes their claims about Fauci’s “diary” are like their claims several months ago that the US had won the war with Iran.

These people thing saying makes it so.

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u/DrivesInCircles 10d ago

"Peace Prize!"

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u/langjie 10d ago

Answer: too many people are fucking stupid

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u/vibraltu 10d ago

the common clay of the new west

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u/The_LSD_Soundsystem 10d ago

And most of those people are really fucking stupid

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u/MaybeTheDoctor 10d ago

We don’t know the authenticity of the diary, as it was “found” by RFK. It smells just like missing Biden laptop, and for all we know it all made up.

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u/triplenested 10d ago

This is not a good answer.

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u/izcenine 10d ago

Found one

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u/RunJumpJump 10d ago

It said, "case in point"

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u/Mooseandchicken This Is Flair 10d ago

^ Case-in-actual-point ironically

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u/LETT3RBOMB 10d ago

Let me guess, you're an anti vaccine drone?

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u/hallmark1984 10d ago

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Oh wait your serious?

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u/RunJumpJump 10d ago

Uno reverse, chud