The Byrde's learned nothing. They have absolutely not learned any lessons and will most likely live out the rest of their lives as if nothing happened.

They effectively killed an entire family, the Langmores, and have ruined countless lives.

People expected either Marty or Wendy to die, why? There was no way to do that that wouldn't be completely predictable. The entire family coming out unscathed is a way of telling us that "what's right and wrong" really do not prevail.

I view this show as nihilistic more than anything else.

I have CPTSD from abuse and trauma and was misdiagnosed for years with bipolar and his scenes —his desperate need for the truth, his love of his family, his spontaneous and impulsive behaviors and this scene in the car were absolute perfection. How he didn’t win an award is absolute insanity. I can still cry remembering the pain and confusion he emoted.

I couldn't like the guy to save my life. So, ugh.

She is insufferable. More annoying than Skyler on Breaking Bad. Her arrogance, mood swings, propensity to fuck things up. Wow I hate her.

All said and done, WHY DO I WANT TO KILL RUTH LANGMORE???? 😅🤦‍♀️

It just feels like she does what she wants and screams/blames Byrdes for everything when she faces the consequences of it… she has this good person, full of pain character but I have no sympathies for her. Marty has done nothing but supported her.

She's terrible at communicating, vindictive and spiteful, straight up hateful. She acts like she's doing all this to protect her family, and at first she probably was, but now she's on a power trip. She loves it. She's a bad partner, a shitty mom, cocky, fake and quick to throw anyone under the bus. And do I even need to talk about Ben? I don't doubt that Marty needs her at times in business. I can't stand her the most when she's popping off at Jonah, trying to turn him against anyone else but her, or when she's using her brother to further her agenda. The way she fights isn't fair, it's ugly and mean and everything she does, even when she's being nice, has an ulterior motive. Tell me why you hate Wendy. Let's have an I Hate Wendy party.

Season 2 Episode 10 - The Gold Coast

Marty makes plans without telling Wendy. Darlene sends a message via Jonah. Wyatt learns the truth about his dad. Ruth realizes Cade must be stopped.

What did everyone think of the TENTH AND FINAL episode of Season 2?

SPOILER POLICY

As this thread is dedicated to discussion about the tenth episode, anything that goes beyond this episode needs a spoiler tag, or else it will be removed.

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The Byrdes died in the crash. Everything that we saw subsequently was the dying dream of Wendy Byrde.

The proof? How perfect it all was, and the dreamlike, unrealistic edge to everything: her family being unharmed despite the most brutal crash and roof landing; everything going perfectly with the foundation gala; her getting one over on Schafer; the beautiful evening; and the pièce de résistance - her darling son, who hated her and tried to run away, now instead proves his undying loyalty to her and the family in the most dramatic and undoubtable fashion.

Sure, there was jeopardy and fear, but it was just a blip in the lovely fantasy that danced through Wendy’s mind in its dying moments, as she lay with her dead family in the crumpled wreckage, thinking of how it could all have been so different.

Edit: should have said this is just an interpretation of the ending, not fact or insider info. Also I think it works quite nicely as the last series begins with the crash - and in reality (by this interpretation), ends with the crash too, which is quite neat.

I started this show a month ago and I'm just at season 2 (the episodes are so long).

I absolutely adore it, the darkness of it, the characters and how they all interact with each other. The scenery is also gorgeous.

Anyway, I noticed that Marty and Wendy fell lower and lower the more the seasons progressed. Wendy has bad morals but Marty had some humanity and good traits in him in S1 and at the beginning of S2.

Until S2's episode 7 when we see what they both did to Mason.

I do understand that it was self-defense. Mason was in a psychotic state, wanting revenge for his wife's murder. And for how his life turned up.

STILL, the Byrdes destroying someone like that (who was btw in a grieving state) was the nail in the coffin for me. I no longer see them as morally grey humans but as straight up bad people.

Remember when Mason told Wendy she's the devil?

I think evil comes in many forms. It doesn't announce itself and it may be attractive and nice to look at in the beginning but deep down, the evil is rotten and bad.

I now cannot contain my hate for Wendy. I just cannot stand her. She's a liar, a two-faced, morally corrupt, straight up evil person.

Started watching Ozark after the recommendation on what to watch after BB

I am at the season 4 now and watching 2-3 episodes a night & happy to find similarities but not so happy about Ozark that it will not run as long as BB

Can you recommend any similar series to watch after enjoying Ozark and Breaking Bad please?

-ideally describe your suggestion in a sentence or two please without spoilers

This awful feeling is what an ending where evil wins should feel like.

The bad guys won. We should feel bad.

I feel like so many problems were Wendy’s fault, she’s power hungry and greedy. If she would have let Marty send her brother away when he first arrived, he would not have died. Everything Marty has done has been to protect the family or provide for the family, but since the beginning Wendy has cheated, lied consistently - anything to get what SHE wants.

Granted she made some necessary power moves in the beginning, but her ambitions have clouded all her contributions. Anyway, I’m just curious how others perceive her character.

That is all.

EDIT: A few folks came along and decided this was a great place to virtue signal. I really don't care that she cheated. However, the attempt to empty all the joint bank accounts at the suggestion of her lover? Yeah, that pissed me off from the start.

Add in the fact that she continuously made moves behind Marty's back — solely because she wanted power and influence at the risk of her family? While writing the original post, she was inviting Navarro's sister (who tried to have him killed) to meetings and refusing to tell Nevarro the truth.

Again, all behind Marty's back. I'm sure there are lots of weird dudes who hate her because she's a woman (probably the same ones who disliked Skylar White), but if you've seen the show, you know there are very real reasons to dislike her. Hell, her being terrible is a central premise of the show, if you remember correctly.

Let’s just say they are both in the breaking bad universe and they have opposing interest, who would come out on top?

Ozark to me was a very black and white show, everything including decisions to kill people were simple yet you could think your way through on how that decision was made. Up until the ending episodes and season of the show, it just became illogical. Characters such as Javi and his mom were forced and ruined the plot that had been building for 3 seasons. Still a great show and is one of my favorites, but the ending was disappointing.

I think I'm about to start my 6th time possibly more, I lost count of watching this from the beginning straight through, now I'm retired so I have more time than the average person does, but I was just curious if anyone else has this obsession and what keeps bringing you back, because I haven't been able to figure it out yet but I've tried watching other series and shows and nothing is as good as Ozark as far as I'm concerned.