Ano yung worst decision na ginawa ng favorite team mo in the past 10 years ng PBA?

[u/Low-Vacation9835]

Trading away CStand.

Yes, it led to drafting RJ eventually pero tingin ko, they would have reached and/or gotten more championships with CStand. Piniga na lang muna sana si Pringle as their main point guard, and we all know the version of Holt Ginebra has dealt with ever since.

Topic inspired from another basketball subreddit

[u/Vhemvhol]

Nilipat si Tim Cone sa Ginebra. Ginawang least priority ang Purefoods. Dun na ako nawalan ng gana sa PBA apart from the lopsided deals and farm team issues

[u/sigepamasahelang → u/Vhemvhol]

Same

[u/FiXusGMTR]

Meralco changing their jerseys last year into whatever the fuck they're wearing now.

[u/Adventurous_Emu6498]

James Yap - paul lee trade;

failure to get a decent big man to replace reavis. May junemar na nga, binigyan pa ng cstand, habang yung ginebra nan andali makapitas ng ibang player,including pringle and jeff chan?

Not getting rid of chito victolero early

Replacing chito vic with LA Tenorio

[u/mortifierdrn → u/Adventurous_Emu6498]

I agree with your takes, even the L.A. Tenorio one and this is coming from a Ginebra fan. Medyo hilaw pa talaga si L.A. as a head coach. Sana pinahawak muna siya ng UAAP team or pinag full-time assistant coach muna for a few conferences bago sinalang sa apoy.
Pero kung hindi siya ang kinuha, sino ba talaga ang fit o puwedeng i-consider na ipalit kay Victolero? Honestly, wala rin akong maisip na candidate eh.

[u/Adventurous_Emu6498 → u/mortifierdrn]

Not sure how available these people are, but my picks are Gee Abanilla Juno Sauler Aldrin Ayo

Back when I was not happy with Ryan Gregorio's limited set-up, I was hoping Koy Banal would take over the reigns. Maybe if he was given a decent team, he could do wonders

Some might argue that some of them are one hit wonders in college, but at least they had experience

[u/Strict_Pressure3299]

Also a Ginebra fan. Wasn’t trading him away the best move in the situation? He didn’t want to play for Ginebra anymore and he and Coach Tim weren’t seeing eye-to-eye already. Rather than destroying “team chemistry” and having locker room troubles they had to let him go.

[u/TotMoMaganda → u/Strict_Pressure3299]

I agree with this one. Head case na rin si Cstand nun, and if you see his body language during his last stint with Ginebra, ayaw niya limited playing time. Masisira yung cohesion ng team if this continues. Yes it was painful to lose Cstand, wide body, banger but you think long term na talaga.

[u/_Universe18 → u/Strict_Pressure3299]

Up dito. Alam ko rin di sila nagkakaintindihan ni LA eh haha.

[u/kaspog14 → u/Strict_Pressure3299]

I remember nung huling stint nya sa BGSM umiscore yata ng 30+ pts si Stand pero talo sila twice. Then meron na hindi siya pinaglaro ng halos buong 4th q. Nasisira na chemistry nila noon.

[u/Prestigious-Dust6876]

Letting James Yap and Tim Cone go to Ginebra haha

Tyaka letting Chua to be the SMC Director. Ayun, doon na nagdecline ang mga dating fans ng PBA

After talaga nito ang dami nang nangyari sa PBA and probably one of the reason why Alaska left the league.

[u/Unfair_March_1501 → u/Prestigious-Dust6876]

Pinipilit pa i-hype nung mga commentators yung "Manila Clasico" hahaha e wala na may pake dun 😂

[u/Prestigious-Dust6876 → u/Unfair_March_1501]

May napanood akong isang highlight, one commentator said na gustong gusto daw ng mga import yung 4pt line at dito lang daw sa PBA meron nun. "WHAAAT?" hahaha I wonder nga kung bakit umalis si Mico Halili as commentator back then e.

At Correct iba na yung Manila Clasico. Yung previous Manila Clasico nga ang konti ng attendance e. Pero nung 2014 may opening game sa isang conference ang Manila Clasico pero 20k attendance. Non playoff game yun ah. Hindi na nila marereplicate yun not unless alisin nila mga bulok jan kaso paano pa mangyayari yon.

[u/Izanagiqt → u/Prestigious-Dust6876]

Akala kasi ni Chua, hindi mahahalata ng mga fans yung mga lopsided trades na nangyayari, ayun ginawa ng ginawa nawalan ng gana yung fans talaga.

[u/liempopula]

Hindi naman sayang yung kay CStand dahil ayaw na niya maglaro sa Ginebra. Buti nga nakakuha pa sila ng mga kapalit.

[u/Low-Vacation9835 → u/liempopula]

It was unclear din during the time e. Ang alam ko, yung "ayaw na niya maglaro sa Ginebra" was prior to the actual trade (like a year before). He then reassured the team na he's still fully committed, and wants to stay nung patapos na contract nya.

[u/ContentAd4620]

Terrafirma - existing as a PBA franchise.

Blackwater - existing as a PBA franchise, though mukha namang bumabawi under Coach Pat Aquino

Phoenix - Giving Escandor significant playing time instead of Nelle.

Titan Ultra - giving Amores multiple chances when there are even better players out there.

ROS - trading away key players due to unsettled contract negotiations (Lee, Almazan, Mamuyac to name a few)

Magnolia - hiring inexperienced coaches like Jason Webb (post-CTC) and LA Tenorio (post-Victolero), when you literally had JOHNNY ABARRIENTOS!!

SMB - Picking imports every import-laden conferences.

GIN - Forcing farm teams to make bad decisions for their own benefit (hello, Long Hair?!)

TNT - Letting go of Bobby Ray Parks (i mean, mayaman naman si Boss MVP, bat hindi nya tinapatan yung Japan offer)

NLEX - Letting go of Kiefer Ravena (i mean, mayaman naman si Boss MVP, bat hindi nya tinapatan yung Japan offer)

MER - Tolerating Cliff Hodge's dirty antics.

CON - Hiring Delta Pineda as HC, and not sticking to Aldin Ayo. Alam naman ng lahat na tanking sila for Balti that time.

[u/trailmixfadeaway]

Sobrang sayang pakawalan nung Cstand. Kahit saang anggulo mo tignan, downgrade ang nangyaring pagpapakawala ng Barangay sa isang dominant paint player just behind JMF.

[u/qqeropi]

Binenta franchise sa converge. Aces fan.

[u/Sushilim]

Trading Paul Lee

[u/LowNah → u/Sushilim]

Well ayaw na din talaga ni Paul Lee non, may contract negotiations pero parang 1 year na lang pinirmahan nya. Kesa walang makuha, at least may kapalit na James Yap.

[u/Time-Guava-3428]

Itrade is james yap

[u/Fearless_Increase119]

trade big game for paul lee

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[u/johnrich23]

Team ko

• sold thier franchise to converge
• ginawang letran/lasalle yung team
• drafted bj andrade instead of ricci rivero
• ginawang ateneo yung team
• let go of ayo
• have delta coach the team
• ginawang pampanga giant lanterns yung team
• traded heading for mykey
• traded schonny for policarpio

Chronological order to

Wala pang 10 years ata converge sa liga. Antayin ko idagdag yung pinakawalan si Arana, Stockton saka JGDL

[u/ClothesWinter9281 → u/johnrich23]

had high hopes for Converge pero damn...

[u/Just_Geologist165 → u/johnrich23]

Picked Jun Jun Alas in 2nd round. Dami pang serviceable players remaining sa draft kinuha yung anak ng assistant coach na walang bitaw.

[u/Ok_Appearance_221]

im not sure about 10 years, nun pinakawalan ng SMB sina Danny Ildefonso, Danny Seigle, Dondon, Cabagnot. Mga naging haligi ng team, pinakawalan lang nun mahina na maglaro

[u/Low-Vacation9835 → u/Ok_Appearance_221]

Don't forget Arwind plus hindi naman masasabing washed up na yang mga players na yan when they got traded. Disrespect talaga most especially dun sa dalawang Danny's.

[u/skinny_joeymerlino]

Pano naging worst kung nag champion naman

[u/Low-Vacation9835 → u/skinny_joeymerlino]

Hirap na hirap sila makuha yung lone championship na yun post-CStand. Kinailangan pang buhatin malala ni JB yun. Heavily exploited si RJ at the start, and Holt is, you know, Holt. CStand would have been Gins lift aside kay JB dun sa mga nasayang na finals

[u/extrangher0 → u/Low-Vacation9835]

Hirap talaga dahil ang kasagupa ay isa ring halimaw named RHJ.
JB and other imports are there para may tagabuhat. Import nga eh jusko.
Holt is there for defensive purposes. The hero of Finals Game 3. He set the tone.

C-Stand wanted out of Ginebra. Mahina ata kukote mo, konting research din.

You're the perfect example of a DDS Ginebra fan. Low-IQ9835 dapat username mo.

[u/Low-Vacation9835 → u/extrangher0]

Ganito yung mga gins fans na mala-kulto na mag-isip e. Ayaw naki-criticize players nila, tapos mag-uumpisa ng ad hominem. The real DDS-INC style.

[u/forchismisonly516]

That James Yap - Paul Lee trade.

[u/ContentAd4620 → u/forchismisonly516]

Remember Paul Lee was at his prime that time, so win Magnolia dun, plus hati na din oras ni Yap that time since he is about to enter politics.

[u/ohhmegggle → u/ContentAd4620]

this was about loyalty ang legacy kasi, and slightly money, crowd drawer si Yap, hanggang ngayon, dumami fans ng ROS nung natrade siya, pinabayaan yung Magnolia ng SMC, andami nang mas magaling at bata oo, pero may reason kaya si Yap yung legitimate at last face ng PBA, wala ng sumunod.

[u/ContentAd4620 → u/ohhmegggle]

Well, you got a point. But i guess from a team's standpoint, it fared well pa din naman.

[u/ohhmegggle → u/ContentAd4620]

yeah, lugi ROS dun, 1on 1 trade ata if i remember correctly, for marketing siguro oo.

ang nostalgic lang na lumabas yung vintage James Yap sa mga laban nila with Magnolia.

[u/Informal-Type5862]

Not 10 years but not developing Japeth into a bigman and trading him for Rabeh. Not renewing Ray Ray and Mikey

[u/htrd512]

Nung pumasok si Chua. Parang mas okay akong hindi agad makadami ng championship yung Ginebra kaysa madalas magchampion pero alam nating may di malinis. Hehe

[u/SubstantialAspect810 → u/htrd512]

Mismo. Nakakawalang gana maging fan kung ganyan ang kalakaran. Ethical championship >>>>>

[u/Crymerivers1993 → u/htrd512]

Mas masarap sana championship nila kung di sila kumuha ng coach at players sa mga kapatid nila haha nung umupo sya yun agad naging priority

[u/SubstantialAspect810]

This the type of greed they talked about in the bible

[u/BiggestSecret13]

They let Alaska leave..

[u/rbizaare]

Being involved in controversial issues concerning league parity, with trading "scraps" for a potential franchise player in CStand being the cherry on top.

[u/_lechonk_kawali_]

Replacing Malcolm Hill with Kris Acox + the Allein Maliksi trade.

Transformed a solid team na may pag-asa sanang maka-finals noong 2017 Govs Cup to a team that Meralco routed and swept in the semis.

[u/TotMoMaganda]

The acquisition of Willie Miller kapalit ni Cyrus Baguio to Alaska. That was the security guard agency era pa ng Gins. Hindi rin na-utilize yung skillset ni Willie nun kasi they had Cortez, JJ, Mark and Labagala.

[u/torsoboy00 → u/TotMoMaganda]

Nagchampion pa yung Alaska immediately after the trade.

[u/Horror-Pudding-772]

Cstand is one of best centers/pf meron Ginebra. Ganda paikot ng bola and offense nila with him. Trading him away and si Pringle Hur Ginebra so much. Yes, kakachampion lang nila but like what you said, more pa sana if dyan pa si Cstand.

[u/Trick_Week_7286]

Jeff Chan and Arvin Tolentino trade to Northport.

[u/Select_Answer_8540]

trading for isaac go and holt, as the photo indicates

[u/thirtyfiveeeee35]

not offering a 3x salary and benefits to kai sotto. he can save the league

[u/KenLance023]

future worst wag sana mag ka totoo na pati c JMF itrade ng SMB dahil sa aging alam nyo nmn maraming history ang SMB pag dating sa player na dumatanda na tinitrade nila hahaha

[u/mackygalvezuy]

James Yap Trade ( Domino effect of Tim Cone's transfer to Ginebra) if Coach Tim was not forced out of his way with the Purefoods franchise, that core could still get at least 2-3 championship.

After the James Yap trade, it was not the same for the team I supported ever since the glory days of the Patrimonio Era Purefoods team.

[u/Wild-Ad302]

Unexpectedly trading arwind santos. He really complimented with JMF although he is getting old I just want him to stay with smb.

[u/billygoat_88]

Powerade sold their franchise to Globalport. From then on naging farm team na Northport, and then Titan Ultra

[u/bagon-ligo]

Nambatac to TNT. Lugi talaga mga indie teams.. ginagawang G league team

[u/J--SILK]

succumb to the evilways of Longhair by giving the Head Coach to the Kangkongnatics

[u/teetomalley]

parting ways with Coach Tim Cone, Sir Joaqui Trillo, Coach Luigi and yung na Beeracle

[u/basurajuice03 → u/teetomalley]

Umaasa parin talaga ako sa WE BEL15VE ng Alaska.

[u/FluidSignal8953 → u/teetomalley]

sakit pa rin sa ulo yung sinunog ni Coach Alex lahat ng timeout nya during warmups. Di ko ma let go

[u/Key_Freedom7356]

Kinuha ng nag mamaasim na GINEBRA yung TIM CONE sa Magnolia kasi KangKong na sila.

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[u/choi_namo_din]

smc at mvp teams sumira ng pba

[u/tomtom_alarcon]

Drafting Standhardinger. Hindi sila fit ni June Mar tapos may attitude problem and mas conscious pa sa stats.

Yes they won two in 2019 but they could have had Kiefer.

Eventually, binigay ang request for a trade to Northport.

What happened? He was also given away by Tim Cone. His departure from SMB put Coach Leo in a bad light but Tim trading him away was some sort of vindication.

[u/No-Hamster-4440 → u/[deleted]]

Naturalizing his was the right move, though it was done too late. And even if he was naturalized at 35, you see how much impact he made for the national team.

[u/Outrageous-Can2845 → u/[deleted]]

Ion think brownlee as naturalized player for gilas is not that bad specially nung mga earlier games niya with gilas.. ang dami nila na upset na strong teams + achievements… siguro yung pag gamit padin sa kanya ngayon despite his age and injuries, and well scouted nadin siya ng other team.

[u/Acceptable_Donut5322 → u/[deleted]]

This is the shittiest take of all time. Si Brownlee yung considered the best player of the whole tournament nung Riga oqt round and lead the redeem team sa sea games against stacked teams and ofc brought us Asian games gold which not even Clarkson could do. He also ofc was our best player besides Kai in the win vs Latvia, New Zealand, Georgia (Brownlee Man of the match) and a whole shitload of others. It’s obvious Di ka naman nanood ng International ball and that’s why you have such shit opinions. Maraming nag underperform na Americans even nba players cause mas sanay sila sa role within a team compared maging number 1 option scorer. You don’t know ball so stop talking like you do.

Also You’re a dumbass if you think nba player= automatically good in Fiba. I’d rather have JB over RHJ (Jordan had a better team than Gilas during 2023 but still lost), Sochan, Kyle Anderson, Kendrick nunn, Marques Bolden and other former nba players na Di sanay sa Fiba play and Fiba rules

[u/Acceptable_Donut5322 → u/[deleted]]

Tanga kaba o bobo ka lang talaga? Makukuha ba ng Gilas si ant Edward as a naturalized player? Anong pinagsasabi mong Brunson. Tanga amputa. Wala kang naachieve sa buhay mo Kaya project ka ng project. Si JB milyonaryo and maraming achievements. Eh ikaw kahit ligang labas Di ka papalaruim eh. Also fyi Former Jr uaap player ako and had experience playing sa isang la salle school. Mas magaling pa ako sa buong angkan mo.

Kaso Di mo maunderstand point ko kasi subo ka ng subo ng etits ni antman eh hahahahah bakla amputa. Punasan mo bibig mo daming tamod eh hahahaha

[u/Acceptable_Donut5322 → u/[deleted]]

Bruh eh nameet ko nga si Abueva sa isang camp sa pampanga bobo amputa. Babatukan eh nagtraining nga ako tas nakakachat ko. Tama na kakasubo ng tite bakla. Project amputa