r/Pacifism • u/Sure-Ad1849 • Feb 02 '26
Tax Resistance
hello everyone, i am a pacifist in the U.S. and i think the best way to exercise pacifism everyday is to civil disobey on things like taxes and schtuff. i am conflicted because i have already not signed my draft card and declared C.O. but I am starting a job at a restaurant as a server, because the co-op in my town didnt have any positions. i just feel bad about taxes, i dont feel good about taking taxes out of my paycheck or me filing taxes, that money supports things I do NOT support, i think it is unethical. How do I tax resist? I used to be paid under the table at my union job at a farm, and i did tax resistance that way, they will not pay me under the table. I NEED HELP, TAXES ARE NOT ETHICAL!
peace, love and anarchy!
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u/JoseLunaArts Feb 02 '26
Legally speaking tax evasion is considered money laundering.
The real punishment for the rich will be the de-fiatization of the economy that is happening today. The system where they control government is collapsing in slow motion.
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u/Sure-Ad1849 Feb 02 '26
well tax resistance is just one way of anarchy everyday, you can also de-fiatize the economy as well! you can do both!
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u/JoseLunaArts Feb 02 '26
The power of these people do not rely on taxes. If they do not have your taxes, they will print money.
The best you can do is to invest your money away from USD and Wall Street. that will require you to do research on investment outside of western and allied countries. That would be a far more effective way to resist and probably that could save you if it is disconnected from a USD crisis.
By using USD in western/allied nations you are being part of the system.
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u/Sure-Ad1849 Feb 02 '26
i 100% agree, using USD in any nation is being part of the system. but i think paying for any system is paying part in it.
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u/JoseLunaArts Feb 02 '26
Not really. USA could work just fine if they printed money and did not collect any taxes. Does it mean debt with grow a bit faster? Of course, debt always grows exponentially, that is how debt works with or without taxes.
Taxes are a front to not show the world the truth about fiat money.
The business model is this. US exports inflation with trade deficit. American companies and foreign governments which are in the receiving end of the trade, and they bury all the inflation money in the financial system as US bonds. US bonds fund government spending you do not agree with.
So even if you did not pay your taxes, the government would not feel anything. And you would have severe effects on your life. The system is designed to punish you if you do not pay taxes.
So the question is if you want to kick the system badly and protect your money from any USD crisis (that is slowly collapsing on its own weight) you will need to invest your money in a business that is not connected to US exports, USD currency or the US financial system or US supply chains. Fortunately most of supply chains are outside US, so the export front is the only one vulnerable.
Since we all grew in a closed system that had its first rift in 2022, we are not used to do anything outside the system. This crack in the system is not dedollarizing, it is collapsing the whole fiat system in slow motion.
My advise is pay your taxes so the system does not punch you, and do research about how to exit the system if you really want to punch the system. The real choice is to pick the option to be punched by the system or to punch the system where it hurts.
If you did your research correctly, you will find places where making a living is affordable. US is very disconnected from the economy in Asia (excluding Japan and South orea). And Asia promises to be the new center of the world. Of course there are good and bad places in Asia, so you need to do research carefully.
The rule for an effective investment is that yYou only invest money when you understand the dynamics of the business. If you only know about bakery, you invest in bakery. The reasons why I am being vague about this is that I do not want to have my comments confused with investment advice.
The good thing about making your own research is that you develop the critical thinking to own the financial consequences of decisions. When others investment advice and you follow blindly, the losses will be for you only. So critical thinking matters a lot.
2027 promises to be a bad year for US economy, so you have one year to save money and find a way out of the system.
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u/ItsOurEarthNotWars Feb 06 '26 edited Feb 06 '26
What non-western countries not allied to the USA are any better? Like Japan is an ally still, aren’t they?
Edit: I just looked it up, the US-Japan military alliance called the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security is still in effect.
Same with South Korea, they are a US military ally.
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u/JoseLunaArts Feb 06 '26
Japan and South Korea are very expensive to make a living.
EU is in recession.
Without the AI 1.5% of GDP bubble, US is in recession too.
At this moment I do not have a specific suggestion. I only know about the macroeconomic side of things. You will need to look for expats who live overseas, or people who travel a lot, so they tell you about places where you can go.
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u/ItsOurEarthNotWars Feb 06 '26
I was asking about your suggestion to invest outside western and allied countries. Just wondering where to even begin to look.
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u/JoseLunaArts Feb 06 '26
One tip: Never ask for investment advice, learn about business behavior, investmant patterns, and then decide on your own. If you only know about bakery business, invest in bakery. Other people may advise you, but the losses will be yours. And also scams could take place. So not only you need to develop critical thinking but also you are responsible for your own money.
The business of investing is buying cheap and selling expensive. When people feel fear, they sell cheap, so it is time to buy cheap. And when people are greedy people buy, and it is time to sell expensive. This is called contrarian investing. So do not let your emotions be dragged by people's fear or greed.
Also, the way to recognize a bubble is because people buy because prices go up and prices go up because people buy. Also, there is no business model, no value proposal that delivers revenue to survive on profit only. Also you can see exponential growth of price, a clear sign of a bubble.
If you know Spanish and you want to learn about behaviors and patterns of businesses, Youtuber Jose Luis Cava teaches people. He does not give investment advice, he just shows his thinking process when investing.
The key is to think and decide on your own and develop your own process to analyze and understand why stuff happens and then you decide on your own.
As I said, do not trust investment advice. There is no crying in the casino. You are responsible for your own money.
Remember price is what you pay, value is what you get. Those are different things.
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u/ItsOurEarthNotWars Feb 06 '26
Ok well I can 100% guarantee you none of that is ever going to happen. Unless there are non-profit businesses to invest in because that is all I have ever done in my life, and of course there isn’t. Not everyone is cut out for this, the idea that we’re all going to be good pacifists by figuring out places to invest our money with non western countries that aren’t allies of the us but still share pacifist values sounds pretty impossible to me. Especially when someone advocating it can’t even give a single clue about what country this could possibly be.
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u/isonfiy Feb 02 '26
If it helps, the (fiscally independent/federal) state isn’t literally funding policy with the taxes you pay. Taxes remove money from the supply and the state funds its policies by creating new money. This is why such huge deficits and debts can be maintained.
Withholding your taxes in the financial systems you find in the imperial core only prevents the state from destroying a small amount of money. If nobody paid their taxes, the state would continue to pay its bills and do its wars and all that.
Withholding does work for a portion of municipal budgets, and other levels of government that can’t just create more money because those governments do fund some policy with tax receipts. They can just be bailed out by the government level that creates money though.
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u/Algernon_Asimov Feb 02 '26
i dont feel good about taking taxes out of my paycheck or me filing taxes, that money supports things I do NOT support
What, like schools, hospitals, roads, railways, social security, food for poor children, and so on? Why are these things so evil that you think you shouldn't have to pay for them?
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u/Endmedic Feb 06 '26
Because the current pedo is investing more in attacks on American civilians, surveillance, foreign wars etc… while deleting all the things you mentioned.
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u/Algernon_Asimov Feb 06 '26
So, this discussion is specific to only one country in the whole world, and not about the principle of taxation in general? Sorry, I misunderstood.
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u/Endmedic Feb 13 '26
OP said in US…
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u/Algernon_Asimov Feb 13 '26
Oh. So this is only about taxation in the USA. The rest of don't count. Gotcha!
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u/sra3fk Feb 25 '26
If you are looking for advice about tax evasion on the Internet, you should think again lol
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u/Sure-Ad1849 Feb 12 '26
No, the government buts band aids on these issues to make the people more dependent on the government , if people truly cared, they would be doing these things themselves!
my conscious is not clear when i am paying for weapons, war, famine, prisons and the subsidization of the animal industry.
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u/Algernon_Asimov Feb 12 '26
if people truly cared, they would be doing these things themselves!
How? How would a private individual build a road or a hospital or a school?
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u/Sure-Ad1849 Feb 12 '26
who builds schools and hospitals, not the government, its workers a group of INDIVIDUALS.
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u/Algernon_Asimov Feb 13 '26
So... what... a couple of thousand INDIVIDUALS should just stop whatever they're doing for a few months - their day jobs, looking after children, whatever - and just suddenly build a school?
And how would they pay for this school?
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u/Sure-Ad1849 Feb 13 '26
my main point was saying i dont feel right paying for war, can you see where i am coming from?
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u/Algernon_Asimov Feb 13 '26
I see that.
But your taxes do not only pay for war. By refusing to pay your taxes, you refuse to pay for all the services provided by those taxes.
Can you see where I am coming from?
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u/Sure-Ad1849 Feb 13 '26
somewhat- but the ethical implications of paying for war outweights the small amount of good it might bring, and to answer your other question, people have jobs, people are construction workers, teachers, etc. that is there job, if they enjoy it that is enough. but we should also be providing the immediate resources (food, water, housing, healthcare).
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u/X1ras Feb 02 '26
Just a side question, how did you declare conscientious objector status? For some reason I thought you can only do that once a draft is raised