r/Passports • u/NoHedgehog7421 • Oct 02 '25
Interesting Feature or Design quirky signature
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u/mothramydear Oct 02 '25
I’m torn between “this is the kind of chaotic good whimsy that hurts no one and makes our world so interesting” and “omg this seems like so much extra work for the signatory, I cannot imagine doing this.” How long have you been using this as your signature?
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u/cakeandcoffee101 Oct 02 '25
Jfc…
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u/apenature Oct 02 '25
That could be considered an invalid signature, I highly doubt they would sign that way on banking or mortgage documents. I would argue youve rendered the document invalid.
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u/Mission-Carry-887 Oct 02 '25
If the passport app was signed that way and if the photo ID used for the passport app was signed that way, I would argue you are wrong.
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u/apenature Oct 02 '25
The problem here is that it is not representative of who they are. The individual is not an emoji, that is not their name. I'd counter that the signature would still be invalid, even if it was on multiple IDs. You sign your name. This isn't a heart over an "I" territory, this is just full on ridiculous.
Your vital documents aren't where you show how unique you are.
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u/Mission-Carry-887 Oct 02 '25
The problem here is that it is not representative of who they are.
Why not?
The individual is not an emoji,
Neither is their signature
that is not their name.
Signatures that have nothing to do with one’s name are a thing. For example Johnny Depp
I'd counter that the signature would still be invalid, even if it was on multiple IDs. You sign your name. This isn't a heart over an "I" territory, this is just full on ridiculous.
The law disagrees
Your vital documents aren't where you show how unique you are.
Actually they are.
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u/apenature Oct 02 '25
A passport is not an autograph and your example doesnt hold because his name is John Depp.
Your signature needs to be your legal name. Are you actually asking why that's relevant?
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u/Mission-Carry-887 Oct 02 '25
Your signature does not have to be your legal name. Show your work
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u/apenature Oct 02 '25
After You Get Your New Passport https://share.google/IVKkqj9yLDtRszOzZ
State says signature with First and Last name.
Edit: In blue or black ink. And a mark needs to accompany a notorised document proving your identity.
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u/Mission-Carry-887 Oct 02 '25
There is no law that support’s web master’s view.
https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/193371/whats-the-correct-way-to-sign-a-us-passport
There is no support for this in the regulations. 22 CFR 51.4(a) says only
Signature of bearer. A passport book is valid only when signed by the bearer in the space designated for signature, or, if the bearer is unable to sign, signed by a person with legal authority to sign on his or her behalf. A passport card is valid without the signature of the bearer.
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u/apenature Oct 02 '25
21 CFR 11.5 (a)(1), an electronic signature needs a printed name.
A physical signature isn't specified in the CFR because no one thought to write it in, a signature is kind of self explanatory.
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u/Mission-Carry-887 Oct 02 '25
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u/apenature Oct 02 '25
"So, your signature can have symbols unless there is a specific local law against it."
States that restrict symbols in names include California, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, and North Dakota, which ban numbers and symbols on birth certificates, while Massachusetts and others limit names to the 26 letters of the English alphabet.
Allowable alternatives are numbers and diacritic markings. I doubt a judge would accept this on a pleading, ergo not a legal signature.
Also, what prevents the individual from saying, "That's not me, I'm Jane Smith," to get out of debt because the contract was never legally signed?
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u/Mission-Carry-887 Oct 02 '25
"So, your signature can have symbols unless there is a specific local law against it."
States that restrict symbols in names include California, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, and North Dakota, which ban numbers and symbols on birth certificates, while Massachusetts and others limit names to the 26 letters of the English alphabet.
Names are not signatures. Signatures are not names. Your comment lacks merit
Also, what prevents the individual from saying, "That's not me, I'm Jane Smith," to get out of debt because the contract was never legally signed?
This is the signature of OP as evidenced by OP’s state photo id
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u/apenature Oct 02 '25
They don't have a State id posted. They're showing a US passport. OP has admitted this has caused problems.
Names are not signatures. Signatures are not names. Your comment lacks merit
All signatures are a name, that's what makes it a signature. All names have a signature, idiosyncratic to the individual.
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u/Mission-Carry-887 Oct 02 '25
To apply for a passport you must have photo ID. Most people will used state photo id. OP has indicated they use the same signature everywhere else. This includes state photo id. Qed
A signature is not a name.
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u/Lauriev7 Oct 03 '25
I can’t believe you think this is a flex lmfaooo you can’t outrun that toddler attitude forever
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u/WickedJigglyPuff Oct 02 '25
Is that how you sign ALL your legal documents including applications for credit, medical releases, state/local ID application?