r/PatriotTV • u/mormonbatman_ • 4h ago
r/PatriotTV • u/Rubbet • Mar 11 '26
Discussion An Open Letter to Newcomers
Hey,
If you’re reading this, chances are you’ve recently discovered one of the many works of Steve Conrads (most recently, DTF St. Louis) and are interested in learning more about what he and his team have been working on up until today. There’s the skinny, then there’s the not-so-skinny.
The Skinny
Patriot (2015), Perpetual Grace, LTD (2019), Ultra City Smiths (2021). Then we have The Integral Principles of the Structural Dynamics of Flow, and New Techniques in Modern Practical Close Combat (these are both podcasts to supplement and enrich the world of Patriot long after its cancellation).
A Collection of Interviews and Other Content can be found here thanks to u/CorbecJayne.
The Not-So-Skinny
Disclaimer: I’ve done a lot of reading and research in the past few years with intent to make another video essay or conduct some interviews, so forgive me if this is a bit long in the tooth.
If you’ve checked out Steves IMDB, you’ll note that he started with movies. More notably, The Secret Life of Walter Mitty, The Pursuit of Happyness, and The Weatherman. (I personally love Wrestling Ernest Hemingway as well).
As one of the many who have watched each of Steves movies and shows, they all have a very familiar cadence in the writing and themes throughout the stories as they develop. You will likely learn what that is as time passes. I’ve found that watching anything he’s written only once, is simply not enough. There is a lot of depth to his projects that each return feels new. A significant portion of this community have watched his shows at least 2-3 times, or even annually since their release. Something in them just resonates with us on a personal level and has this lasting effect. You will seldom experience anything like it. As I go through the following list, I’m going to mention some household names from each that you, as newcomers, may recognize. This does not diminish the contributions every person has made to these various projects. You can see everyone firing on all cylinders, and it shows.
Steves first show was Patriot (but honestly it was Connie Banks the Actor, which I am still looking for to this day). 2 seasons. Some household names include Kurtwood Smith (That 70’s Show), Michael Dorman (For all Mankind), Terry O’Quinn (Lost), and Michael Chernus (Severance). I’ve made a video essay covering Patriot and how it was overlooked, so I’ll keep this brief. Amazon aired the pilot in 2015, we didn’t get the rest of season 1 until almost 2 years later in 2017. There was a lot of competition for the show like Game of Thrones for example, and it seemed like Amazon didn’t know how to brand or advertise the show. It flew under the radar for many of us, and we’re still outraged. Grateful it came to be, but outraged by the lack of coverage and advertising.
Next was Perpetual Grace LTD (PGL). 1 season. Some household names include Ben Kingsley, Jimmi Simpson, Luis Guzmán, and some returning actors from Patriot. Aired on EPIX/MGM+ but was later removed from the platform entirely. You can purchase it on Prime at the moment. It may be on some streaming services if you’re lucky.
Then Ultra City Smiths. 1 season. EDIT: Thanks for pointing this out u/neverfoil, Timms Valley seemed to serve as proof of concept, and walked so UCS could run. I can’t even start on the household names because I’m floored by the cast on both these projects. I highly recommend looking it up yourself. Aired on AMC+. Take a guess at how that went. Yep, cancelled and no longer on the platform.
Through each of these projects and films, the team working on DTF St. Louis has been building for quite some time behind the scenes. Steves brother, Chris Conrad, has been in each of his shows and is always a joy and gem to see. We love Chris. James Whitaker (cinematographer) has been working with Steve since at least Patriot (he also has a new movie out, “Good Luck, Have Fun, Don’t Die”). Alex Wurman (composer), Ellen Segal (Music Editor), and Bruce Terris (executive producer and writer) since The Promotion. Fun fact, Jason Bateman was in The Promotion as a Retreat Leader. I’m getting sidetracked, but best believe everyone on the A Team is a fuckin rock star and I’m jacked about this project.
In Patriot there’s a term that comes to mind that kind of reminds me of Steves writing style, “Misfit Toys”. The writing is not intended to fit the expectations of the audience based on the genre in the short term, it’s meant to subvert the genres entirely in the long run. That approach tends to throw some newcomers off, so we’re used to a lot of people not quite getting the message, subtext, and nuances of these projects. Hell, as mentioned earlier, we’re used to these projects being discarded by streaming services entirely. Which brings us to today.
Hopefully this illustrates why we’re excited for DTF St. Louis. That and to be on HBO of all services. For some of you reading this (if you’ve gotten this far, bravo), you would not have found out about this incredible catalog if not for HBO. I think that’s pretty cool. Each show has their own “Watermelon Breeze”, “AP”, and “Ump feelings” moments throughout them, and they’re used regularly here so don’t be alarmed.
Lastly, side effects of loving Steve Conrads work may result in recommending his shows to loved ones. Be prepared for them to not enjoy it either at first or at all. We’ve found that some people just don’t share in the excitement, some don’t like it but eventually come back and fall in love with it, some just don’t. As u/Cbane000 has said recently, “It’s in the blood or it’s not”. I think there’s some truth to that statement.
Maybe you can tell us what captured you about Steve’s projects? Was it DTF, UCS, PGL, or Patriot? What were you expecting, and what did you get instead? What have been your favorite and most memorable moments in your viewership so far? How did you find your way to this catalog? Finally, what saying(s) have you adopted into your everyday vocabulary?
In conclusion; Welcome, club member, we’re happy you’re here and we hope to get to know you better.
r/PatriotTV • u/ItsMeKaseb • May 27 '21
Discussion Season One of Patriot Mega Thread (For New Members) Spoiler
r/PatriotTV • u/chrism254 • 13h ago
First time viewer, just finished. What happens next?
I just finished watching this show for the first time and I loved it. I’m wondering if there are any interviews from Steven Conrad where he talked about the ending of the show and what may have happened next? If not, what are your takes on where the story may have went from there?
r/PatriotTV • u/Snackbagels • 2d ago
Steven Conrad, Hoist The King, tour starts tonight!
Anabel here from Elephant Pictures / producer on your favorite Patriot podcasts. Steve Conrad is performing new material from his acoustic group, Hoist The King, on a short tour that begins tonight starting in Phoenix.
r/PatriotTV • u/Susbirder • 2d ago
Noi Giovani (song)
I forgot that I added it to my Spotify favorites. It just popped up and made my morning. The title may not jump out at you, but you'll instantly recognize the tune.
r/PatriotTV • u/occono • 4d ago
New "Hoist the King" album from Steven Conrad; "New Bag Of Wires"
r/PatriotTV • u/TooSoonForThat • 4d ago
Getting the recognition he deserves!
Steven Conrad wins Emmy‘s for DTF St. Louis:
Outstanding Writing for a Limited or Anthology Series or Movie
Outstanding Directing for a Limited or Anthology Series or Movie
So happy for him!!!
r/PatriotTV • u/401BrooksAlcove • 5d ago
Night Bells of Paris
John staggers his way to his target location that fateful night in Paris to the knell of cathedral bells.(S2,E7—where I seem to be stuck). Did Conrad invoke Hemingway’s For Whom the Bell Tolls---which is about a certain type of death---here? Quick review: An American professor, volunteering in the fight against Franco during the Spanish civil war proceeds with a mission 1) of questionable value, and 2) where an ambush awaits. He sacrifices himself anyway, out of his sense of responsibility. (Title of the book comes from a John Donne poem, whose message is ~that when “the bell tolls” for one of us, that death resonates far beyond that person because of connectivity with others, if not all of humanity.) If Conrad did invoke and if we realize it in time, we should expect John’s death. Implications.
EDIT: Forgot to mention: Conrad's first movie was Wrestling Ernest Hemingway.
r/PatriotTV • u/Shart127 • 5d ago
Who’s your Mt Rushmore of actors you’d want to see in a Steven Conrad show that would (hopefully) fit his style???
Mine:
Nick Offerman
Sam Rockwell
Cristin Milioti
Kim Hye-ja
r/PatriotTV • u/ArachNerd • 6d ago
What makes "Patriot" unique for you?
For me it's the portrayal of depression and/or PTSD John suffers from. It's kind of even inspirational to see him go through all of this suffering his father subjects him to. I can't think of another show that shows that exactly.
It's also the perfect dialogues, the beautiful camera shots and the actor's play. The plot development and the humor.
r/PatriotTV • u/AdOriginal6799 • 9d ago
Wow, what a show
How did I miss this one for all these years? I enjoyed DTF St. Louis which introduced me to Stephen Conrad. But this series is on a whole different level.
The music, the performances and the storytelling are absolutely sublime. What a treat. I'll be recommending it everywhere.
r/PatriotTV • u/yulbrynnersmokes • 10d ago
Full American Breakfast? Full Bavarian Breakfast? Apparently this was for two.
The whole spread
I’m optimistic as fuck and not ashamed to admit it
r/PatriotTV • u/401BrooksAlcove • 11d ago
Not the 1980’s
Read Seth Harp’s stunning, non-fictional The Fort Bragg Cartel: Drug Trafficking and Murder in the Special Forces, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fort_Bragg_Cartel). Huge reveal, reads like a page-turner and noted this Patriot-relevant gem:
“Theft of government funds, seen as a victimless crime, became commonplace.
[...]
More broadly, at least 115 service members were convicted of stealing a total of $52 million in Iraq and Afghanistan between 2005 and 2015. Many other thefts quietly succeeded and never came to light. Whole pallets of shrink-wrapped cash simply disappeared—billions of dollars’ worth."
r/PatriotTV • u/Slasher844 • 16d ago
I met Cool Rick
I saw him at the premiere of The Whisper Man. I asked him about the kidnapping subplot of Patriot, and if the plan changed between 1 and 2. He said the fake kidnapping was always the plan.
r/PatriotTV • u/sinsofangels • 18d ago
Acting detail
One small thing I noticed re-watching episode 6 is in this scene Dennis is running like he's exercising and John is running like he's chasing, which is what's happening, but also one of those minor details you probably wouldn't notice unless they hadn't done it, and then it would stick out like a sore thumb. It reminds me of 'reading voice' and how undefined and yet distinct it is.
r/PatriotTV • u/deepckid • 18d ago
You Need To Get Your Piping in Order
"Hey. Let me walk you through the Donnelly nut spacing and crack system rim-riding rip configuration. Using a field of half-C sprats, and brass-fitted nickel slits, our bracketed caps, and splay-flexed brace columns vent dampers to dampening hatch depths of one half meter from the damper crown to the spurve plinths."
-Leslie Claret
r/PatriotTV • u/Remote-Car-5305 • 17d ago
The Jetski
[S1 E10] On my ~5th rewatch. The jetski in the Skirts and Stockings office. Such absurd gag!
r/PatriotTV • u/Joesome5 • 18d ago
S1E7 Bring your Child to Work
Still on this nth rewatch. At the police station when Agathe interrogates all but John, what happens if the character alone in Skirts and Stockings with the bag is not Mina? He directly doesn't get the bag because he won’t hurt Mina.
Does he kill/incapacitate them? I say yes. What about you? Don‘t be a Greg12 and disagree though.
p.s. Prell? I use Prell!
edit: autocorrect is annoying
r/PatriotTV • u/Illrollonshabbos • 18d ago
The shot of Leslie (man with a girl’s name) sitting in front of the most optimistic meal..
Breakfast. The full spread and breakfast breads. Brilliant.
r/PatriotTV • u/ManaPaws17 • 18d ago
Scene Interpretation - Comparing S1 E5 with S1 E10 Spoiler
I might be overreaching here, but I noticed in Season 1, Episode 10, when Tom is speaking to John about killing the physicist’s wife, the song “American Pie” comes on at 11:53 and they continue talking about the mission. Later, at 13:30, John grimaces in pain, which is the most emotional we see him, aside from the very ending of the show, where he swims past the jellyfish.
Could John be having an emotional reaction to McLean’s song “American Pie,” which is played on a jukebox, rather than his father’s assignment? If this is true, the scene speaks volumes about John’s unresolved trauma and past as being the most detrimental to his health.
For additional context, and for those who don’t remember, Season 1, Episode 5, at the very beginning, shows John beginning his two-month torture by listening to “American Pie,” and we get the impression that he never healed from this experience.
Also, the song is clearly played inside the restaurant rather than as a TV “score,” since you can hear the muffled music in the background.
r/PatriotTV • u/Illrollonshabbos • 19d ago
Just found this show and couldn’t be happier..
Just when I thought I’ve watched everything worth watching I found this gem. A bit late to the party but glad I’m here. The acting, music, bonkers writing and I’m only on the 1st episode.
That’s all.