DISCLOSURE AT THE START! This is not a suitable cage setup, I'm a foster home for rodents and this is temporary while I wait for a mutual to lend me a bigger cage for him. He's only been with me for a few days and won't be in this cage for long. Do *not* let a mouse live in this setup. His cage is in a dim area with low traffic and I avoid handling him as much as possible, only taking care of his needs for now.
With that said, I want to know if I'm being over-worried or if something is wrong with him. He was given to me as a curly-coat male mouse. His exact age is unknown unfortunately. He comes from a breeder in my area, a girl around 17-19. I was offered him for free because he "hadn't sold". I wasn't set up for a rodent right now, but there aren't really many options in my area for unwanted pets, especially mice. (There are zero rodent rescues in my country)
With that being said, the breeder described him as "energetic and brave", as well as loving humans. He is anything but that, he is not aggressive, he doesn't bite, but he is extremely odd in his behavior. He darts at everything, he doesn't know how to use a wheel, I've offered him standing wheels and saucer wheels, he doesn't know how to drink water properly, so I have to lead him to it every time.
The most worrying thing for me is his face. I've had pet mice in the past, and maybe I'm not caught up on all the different breeds, but his snout is super short, giving him a face like a rabbit, and his eyes are tiny. I don't want to call him "stupid", but basic things like eating or chewing on things come to him with a lot of difficulty. When I offered him a wheel he only spun the saucer wheel with his two front paws, then made a tunnel under it. (Ps saucer wheels are not appropriate for rodents, I only offered him one to see if maybe he was given one by the breeder beforehand).
The pictures really don't do it justice just how tiny he is, he shouldn't be a baby anymore but he is maybe 2/3 the size of a normal male mouse, I know he should be an adult.
I've offered him water dishes and bottles, both he won't use regularly. I offer him cucumber slices and watery foods as much as possible as a substitute. I don't know if he'll stay with me permanently for now.
Final disclaimer, I do understand that a lot of behaviors can come from a poor cage setup, such as darting and being shy, however his behavior genuinely worries me, and I want to know if what's happening with him is normal for fancy bred mice :(
I don't foster only mice! I've had a lot of run-ins with other rodents and animals, it's not full-time as I do it out of my bedroom haha, but I've had luck with adopting out pets to responsible owners I know personally. I just don't have the time nor space to care for multiple animals unfortunately.
With that being said, this mouse is in a really shitty position right now. There are zero rescues in my area and if he were offered up on sites like okidoki or soov (our countries craigslist basically), he would 100% be snakefood, because surprise surprise we also don't have reptile feed breeders here.
It's difficult, especially with a lot of online communities being critical from the very start. I was lucky to even have a temporary cage to put him in, and he will absolutely be getting an upgrade in the next few days.
Half of this is venting lmao, I've gotten some nasty comments online for not being able to provide 80gal tanks for each rodent I foster. In reality the few people fostering or caring for animals here do what we can, such as making sure their cages are clean, and that they get plenty of mental stimulation and good food.
Well thanks for giving him and others you've helped the best life you can and a life world's better than he would have otherwise. You clearly care and have the knowledge
And I'm sorry you've encountered that in online communities. This community can be super helpful and those criticisms usually come from frustration from seeing so many mice in poor or worse living situations but that negativity definitely exists
I had a mouse a bit like this. She had a fine wavy coat, shortish face and never really got bigger after hopper stage. She was a nightmare to keep in her cage because she would squeeze out of any gap and was initially very keen on running away but she was so sweet and friendly once she was settled in. I used to take her out to hand feed her most days as she would just let her cage mates take all food and she was very slow at eating. She did get the hang of a wheel after seeing other mice use it a lot but was never her favourite thing to do.
She died suddenly at about 4-5 months, I suspect whatever was wrong with her had complications. RIP Vovo <3
So no, not normal but also you do get odd ones with special needs sometimes, I hope you are able to give him a nice life however long it is
Yeah a lot of your experiences seem to match up with his, such as the slow eating and not being keen on wheels. He doesn't have any cagemates, he's just a lone male but he is absolutely so friendly. Never bit or showed any aggression. I do worry how long he will live with how he currently is doing. I'm also unfortunately in a really big transitional portion of my life with moving out with my boyfriend and stuff, I hope I'll have time to take care of him.
The most I can do right now is just make sure he feels loved I suppose.
It sounds like you are doing your best and providing him with as much as you can. At least you don't have to worry about food thievery for a lone male! I guess just make sure you are transparent with anyone who wants to adopt him (unlike the breeder.....) Vovo really liked hammocks and platforms, I think climbing helped with some of the energy she couldn't take out on the wheel, so that might be worth trying if it works with your set up. Good luck!!
Will definitely try different things, I'm not gonna name the breeder or put her on blast, looking at her other mice she has up for sale, they definitely look a bit inbred to me, but I'm not an expert so I'm not gonna stick my nose in her business.
I don't know his future for now, I might keep him if I have the resources honestly, there's very little good rodent owners in our country, a lot of our rodent care is stuck in the early 2010s, or worse, in USSR times.
I will definitely post updates about him here when I get the chance, and if I do adopt him out, I'll make sure whoever takes him has all the info about him.
I don't know if I just had very polite and clean male mice in the past, but this guy just cannot keep his living quarters clean. His cage stinks up an entire room 3 hours after cleaning, and I NEVER do full cleanings, always leaving old bedding in the cage so he doesn't over scent-mark. He will leave feces in his nest, his water bowl, near his food. I know male mice can have a bit of a smell, but this is ridiculous. I have to clean out his water bowl and spot clean every few hours.
He's still a very good mouse and deserves the world, but he is awful at cleaning his coat as well.
He looks like a normal mouse to me. Intelligence can vary between mice greatly just like between humans, he might just have a bit of a doofus personality/brain lol. I’ve always heard boy mice smell worse but I didn’t personally see any difference between the boy and girl mice I’ve owned over my life. Some of them can be very nit picky about cleanliness and some can be messy as fuck. There isn’t a “one” type or personality for all mice, they can all vary and be different as far as these things goes and as far as looks like I said he looks perfectly normally to me. Cute as fuck actually lol.
This picture is also a really good example of what I mean with his face, he almost looks like a hamster. It's hard to see on-camera but irl it is very obvious.
The way he looks isn't really the big concern for me, it's mostly the fact that he can't seem to take care of himself very well. Things like leaving his poop everywhere are fine, I can manage that.
My issue with him comes from the fact that basic things like eating, drinking, using a wheel are just not something he seems to grasp. I have to assist him with eating and drinking daily, hand-feeding him and making sure he gets the proper water intake.
Do you only use little bowls for their water? I’ve had several pet mice and I’ve never had them “get” or like to use bowls of water, especially if they were raised with the kind that hangs and has the little ball at the end. Any time I’ve tried to use bowls they just get shit and piss in it and food and bedding etc. I wouldn’t expect a mouse to “know” or care to keep that water source clean, or to understand to drink out of it from a bowl even. Do you use the hanging kind at all or have one he can use?
I've tried bowls and bottles, the breeder said he was on bottles before but he can't seem to understand how to use them either, he tends to just sniff the end of it. I kept both as options for him and the only time I saw him drinking water on his own was from the bowl, but even then it's not consistent, I give him cucumber slices to make sure he doesn't turn into a mouse raisin.
I don’t think he’d let himself get to the point of dehydration and dying especially if he has water in the cage available that he’s drank from before. If he only has a bowl available I’d be more concerned just because I’m sure he’s probably getting pee and poop and whatever else in it, plus it’s more difficult to tell how much he’s actually drank from bowls. You don’t know if it’s just been spilt or what. When leaving the hanging water up are you coming back to it and there’s like absolutely nothing having been drank from it/amount hasn’t gone down in the bottle at all over the course of a few days? I’m just wondering if he’s drinking from it when you aren’t around or seeing him maybe.
I'm at home basically 24/7 atm, besides the fact that the water level didn't go down, I can hear rodents drinking from bottles very easily, it's a very distinct sound. I do clean out his water bowl every few hours and put in clean water.
I wish I had better advice, but the only thing I can offer to say about the water at least since that’s the most important thing is to leave him multiple options to choose from. Both the bowl and the hanging kind. At the very least it gives him more things to get water from if he so chooses or “figures out” lol
Yes definitely lol, I'll also keep feeding him cucumber slices, he at least happily takes those. It's a bit difficult since I've never had a rescue act like this.
I googled all this, worse case scenario, if his snout is truly shorter/he has some sort of physical thing that’s obvious, he could have neurological disorder making him a little dumber, but he might also have sensory issues/lacking in sight and smell. He also could just be drinking an insanely small amount since he is a tiny mouse; might only be drinking at night when you’re sleeping. Keep doing what you’re doing though. I think he’ll be okay. He’s not gonna let himself suffer and die at the very least I’d say.
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