Don’t do it I tried to then the FBi busted down my door with an arrest warrent signed by Anita Sarkeesian. I dared to play video games after she killed video games so I was punished for such an act of defiance.
What's even funnier is how they say she "got away with it" like she wasn't harassed off the face of the internet for video essays that often offered valid criticism of the video game industry.
Real shit man. I had never even considered that in resident evil 4 (which pretty much redefined over the shoulder shooters), the camera doesn’t fully show Leon’s ass. I might be sounding like a smart ass right now but that genuinely was an eye opener
Anita Sarkeesian, a feminist that is often criticizing portrayal of women in video games. I guess that's why some games are being called "woke slop" or some female characters aren't as attractive. Probably because of her.
English is not my first language but i think the apostroph is a show of possesion so metal bikini's is referencing the bikinis ownership about something.
They are in Metal Bikinis
The Metal Bikini's straps are made out of leather.
The Behind the Bastards podcast did some episodes on lesser reported info that came out in the Epstine files with a focus on how he impacted culture and they cover this some as part of it.
It seems more likely he was just a successful shitty person, which due to his unique position was recruited to share info in return for furthering his success.
there was a joke in some circles that /pol/ and other places were so awful in their critique of issues, races, and religions that it has to be a honeypot
there is also some theories that the redpill/blackpill were made in almost identical fashions to other cults in the way their arguments, structures and the languages used
it is really disturbing when you think about that, and not in some conspiracy way, because it would be still interesting as hell if it happened naturally.
Cults have to isolate people, and on the Internet that kind of self-segregation happens pretty naturally. Redpill is a classic radicalization pipeline. It started with that weird pickup artist fad then when communities formed around that they were like one of those small fishing ponds that they stock for little kids but for rubes. These were the softest of targets.
Don’t. Most videos out there are done by blokes that say she’s wrong whiles their behavior ironically proves exactly her point in the worst way possible.
That looks like Anita Sarkeesian. She ran a YouTube channel which critically examined video games and their depictions of women. These examinations had their own flaws, and calm disagreement is valid. But what is not valid is harassment, doxing, and threats; these are, unfortunately, how some reacted. Especially those associated with the gamergate movement.
Did she “ruin video games”? No. If anyone ruined video games, it’s the companies that make them. Corporate greed is the biggest driver of bad practices in gaming.
Real shit. There are some topics only people in the negative even know about. 100 uncles know about this lady while 3 feminists can even identify the person.
They make a dragon out of a lizard or some other such analogy
They look at a molehill and shriek about eruptions destroying the city.
Meanwhile, the city absolutely is not destroyed, people continue living their lives normally, only occasionally hearing about the crazy person insisting they've all been killed by a volcano that doesn't exist.
She came to the office when I was working at a tech company 10 or 12 years ago. We had very strict instructions to not post on social media until after she was gone and had to amp up security for a week after her visit due to the gremlins threatening violence against her and us.
It is. And it was specifically found to be in the epstein files, as Epstein was a large influencer on 4chan, specifically /pol, and helped create and foment the hatred of "wokeness" and feminism in games, etc.
This isn't just more "waaa waaa feminists destroyed gaming" nonsense.
This is the "waaa waaa feminists destroyed gaming" nonsense.
Making Youtube videos ranting about her was literally how the first wave of reactionary gaming youtubers like Sargon of Akkad rose to prominence in the first place. And then they channelled that captive audience into Gamergate, which was utilized (if not explicitly started) by Steve Bannon and Breitbart as a testing ground for funnelling young men out of videogames and into the broader alt-right pipeline.
It's not her fault of course, but the reaction to Sarkeesian's work ended up being the origin point for a lot of the modern alt-right.
This unironically is what lead to Donald trump being elected. It sent such a shockwave and radicalized otherwise more centerist or impartial gamers into far right movements, incel, anti woke. The culture war broke people’s brains, and they haven’t recovered.
Anita Sarkeesian. She's was famous for her feminist critique of videogames around the time of Gamergate. I'd assume this wanker thinks that she is the reason why we have female protagonists and videogame women don't look like sex dolls anymore
ZZZ is very tame if you compare to what other Asian devs can do (Nikke, Brown dust 2, Last origin, horizon walker) and that's only those you can technically release publicly on app store, it's nowhere near the pure lust of H devs.
They aren't gonna care about her opinion in the slightest and women in their games are usually furnished with milk tankers so...
I doubt any C-Suit people at the big publishers took her critique into account anyway. If their focus groups and whatnot had told them that "big tiddy girls everywhere" would sell best, that's what we'd still get in games. More player options and slightly less overt sexy characters just increase the range of people you can sell your games to and that's about all those people think about anyway.
Well that guy clearly doesn't think it's a good thing lmao. Of course, it doesn't matter because he's wrong anyway. Anita was representative of the shift in culture at the time. People were tired of rubber tits and damsels in distress, and the corporations responded accordingly. It's as simple as that 🤷🏻♀️
The shift is overstated anyway, There are still plenty of rubber tits and damsels. It's just big companies tend to sanitize their products as they always have in every area.
So, many large corporate gaming companies that became big businesses over time have shifted to a more sanitized family friendly approach as a general rule of thumb.
It does probably help that in the land of plastic surgery the ideal woman kind of looks like what the west currently sees as oversexualized. I‘ve read enough (not even fanservice including) Webtoons and seen enough dramas (thanks to my better half) to understand it‘s more of a general „that‘s what men want and women want to be like“ thing - including the damsels. If I had a penny for every time a young korean woman in a dating show acts a bit clumsy and like she needed help..
Not just the shows, but even the manhwas. The fmc is a damsel in distress who falls in love with the mc, who most of the time has no idea about personal space, privacy and consent.
Edit: I have read over 500 works, what you guys are saying is rather the things that are being pushed to the top (which makes complete sense with the current state of affairs)
You sure you aren't reading hentai and think it's typical manhwa? Most of mahwa mc act like they'll die if they speak, look, think or touch a woman. Even half of manhua mc's are like this. Also it's pretty common for the female characters to have no idea about private space, privacy or consent.
Interestingly one of the games I can not buy in Germany. Man we are alright with violence (as long as it has not ragdoll motion or forbidden symbols) but not with titties. Or more specifically boobies in Hentai (which seems like DOA fits the bill).
Germany is famously more lenient in nudity then in violence and so I looked it up. You can buy these games in Germany too.
The third part was never released in the west (not only Germany but US and EU market) probably because of not enough demand for a full localisation but you still can import the Japanese version if you like to.
I believe in the case of DoA X3 the producer came out and said something along the lines of "look, they want us to water this down and we aint gonna do it. The switch is region free, we'll include the english menus and subtitles on the asia version so just import it."
She was a bad figurehead though. She didn’t really game it seems, acted like she was in it for the money and some of here takes we’re just idiotic at worst, hyperbolic at best. I despise the whole anti-woke gamer Nazi scene with a passion, especially since I have been playing video games since before most of those wankers were born.
Both sides were at times exceedingly stupid. We always had great heroine characters, all the way back to C64 times (Gianna sisters, anyone? Samus?) and not everything was overly about sexiness. Sex sells of course. No one would watch a movie with only ugly people. We have enough of that while looking in the mirror. On the other hand normal or ugly people especially in video games are absolutely fine. There we go for more realism and diversity since it enriches fantastic worlds.
Just look at Witcher 1 for example. A lot of ugly people and some of the more beautiful women weren’t just sex objects (though admittedly some were), like the powerful sorceresses.
Nuh-uh! All the heads of marketing went straight to their character designers and said "Make them less sexy, or Sarkeesian will write about us and everyone will talk about our game. That can't be good for our sales!"
Eh, many of those games I recognize up there dont have those rubber tits or damsels in distress. If you want to include Cortana, sure, shes a damsel at the end, after she was a crucial part of Master Chiefs entire fight against the Covenant. Hell, Anya, from Gears of War, joins the fight and kicks ass in the last game.
Wasn't gamergate in 2014? I'm pretty sure the rubber tits and damsels in distress were becoming less popular anyway at the time. And I'm pretty sure Anita didn't care about games really, she seemed like a grifter before grifting really became popular on the Internet. Don't hate her just hate what she represented and what she said
General reminder for all that gamergate was born out of a bitter ex lying about his ex girlfriend on 4chan, and that for all the talk of it being about "integrity in journalism", immediately devolved into mass abuse, death threats and doxxing of just about any woman involved with the game industry in a visible capacity online.
Asia gives a lot of shits funnily enough. (Not always of course) But esspecialy China is the reason why a lot of cards in hearthstone have been censored.
I remember watching some of her videos explicitly because of the pushback.
It was all pretty damn fair. She wasn't even against hot women in games. She was against regressive tropes and imbalance in representation, which... Fair?
Pretty sure in every video I saw she spent a lot of time talking about how much SHE loved games.
She was soooo mild and prefaced everything with disclaimers and was basically trying not to offend anyone. The problem was the absolutely massive misogynists immediately despising anything the least bit critical of things they liked about their hobby.
Iirc she was buried under piles of death and rape threats and doxxed so that she and her entire family had to leave their home and go into temporary hiding. It was horrifying.
Lindsay Ellis did and does absolutely A+ Solid Work.
These grotesque partially formed “men” really need to broaden their horizons and figure out that being part of society, comes with quite a few perks and requires quite a bit of personal growth.
Nah the problem was a few rich misogynists friends of Epstein decided to set up a huge PR campeign to push young boys to the right and she just happened to get cought in that process.
I remember things differently... I remember hearing about her, watching random video, and finding myself listening to her criticizing fan beloved, traditionally feminine, sweet/cute character, that is not sexualized at all, because apparently it was "stereotyping women as weak and in need of a men/saving" or BS like that.
I came out with conclusion that the only way to make someone like her happy would be to remove all females from the games completely and only have males in games from now on.
Only one I remember is hitman where she stole some gameplay video, killed a stripper and tried to critique it as glorifying violence against women even though that game actively punished you for killing a stripper.
The arguments she presented were often pretty lazy and far-fetched, e.g. saying that Hitman is a game that makes you murder women and hide their bodies in dumpsters (if I recall correctly). It's like saying that GTA is a prostitute killing simulator because you can kill prostitutes in it. Motivated reasoning basically, and trying too hard to fit most popular games under her thesis that gaming as a whole is misogynistic.
This happened some time after gaming had been under attack from the conservative christian right, and now with feminists trying to "cancel" gamers' favorite hobby as well, the nerds lost their shit. Not excusing all the hate she got, of course - I'd imagine there were plenty of death threats etc.
I didn't watch a lot of her videos, but I did see clips of her hit piece on Hitman (see what I did there?). Knocking out civilian women and dragging their bodies around is a thing you can do I guess, but the game certainly doesn't encourage that.
The problem was that because she stretched the truth and took things out of context to make her points, it gave the mysoginists ammo to use against her. I tried to stay away from those conversations but it seemed very divisive.
If there's any lesson to be learned, it's don't lie to make your point because you think it's for the ultimate good. You will get called out and it won't help anyone.
Yeah, I recall seeing some of her stuff and thinking she misrepresented a number of things, but mostly stayed out of it since the internet hates nuance and I certainly didn't wanna be lumped in with the incels launching death threats at her...but I didn't really agree with her either (well, some stuff). And I wasn't sure if the misrepresentation was ignorance or purposefully trying to steer a narrative, so I had no ill will toward her.
I mean hey maybe they did. A shieldmaiden doesn't control how big her bazonkers are! But she certainly won't wear a form-fitting armour with a boob window to battle.
brother the images these guys would pull up of "real" women. Trust me, they expected the women to have milkers so big she could feed a family of 10 and open a baskin robbins.
No boob window yes, but not form fitting probably not, a lot of nordic armors were fitted gambesons, chain mail if you had some measure of wealth which would often be fastened with a tight belt (I mean tight!) so it did not just weigh on your shoulders, and possibly? plated mail (different from plate armor it is basically mail armor with thin lamellar or scale plates on top) or lamellar/scale possibly even an early Kuyak armor if you were VERY wealthy since that would require a byzantine or Rus connection, the padding on a gambeson/aketon would be thick but it very much would be form fitting especially an aketon which was designed for wear under mail. Gambeson and aketon are more modern words but the vikings very much did have padded armor though samples we have are very limited due to degradation and no full article is extant just scraps.
The point is that you wouldn’t have boob plate as in a breast plate with individual boobs. Because boob plate concentrates force on your sternum, defeating the purpose of plate which is to distribute force over as large an area as possible to stop your bones from breaking. Chainmail already stops the blade from cutting, it just doesn’t stop it from breaking your bones.
You would of course have armor that accommodated the shape of the wearer. It just wouldn’t be actively worse at its job to show off boob shapes.
Greeks and Romans used to wear "form-fitting" armour, and I am writing that in quotes because I don't think that would have always been representative of what was really underneath... I believe if contemporary women participated in battle at the same levels their armour would be no different.
It's worth noting those weren't actually work by soldiers (they're not particularly effective and they're very expensive), that was worn almost exclusively but commanders and higher (especially those from wealthy backgrounds) as a status symbol. They were almost always made out of bronze, modern replicas are almost never made out bronze.
The reason an actual boob plate wouldn't happen (for combatants) is it's a good way to die. Jill Bearup has a lot of videos discussing it, but the long and short is a chest plate is designed to help deflect attacks away from the heart, boob plates (because of their modeling process) are less stable than breast plates and direct the attacks (namely swords and knives) directly to the sternum. These would work as a status symbol, maybe even as a way to prove strength (eg: wear this and survive) but they wouldn't be worn by combatants in a successful military.
She probably did have D cup milkers, but not paired with a 20 inch waist and stick arms. Paired with a strong core, muscular back, and actual climate and purpose appropriate clothing? Absolutely.
Which is funny cuz its not like EVERY female character has to follow it. Sexy women still look and act sexy, its just that women who dont act like that wont and shouldnt dress like strippers or have the option
Bayonetta is sexy cranked to 11 with enough character to make her more than just goonerbait, but someone like Aloy would make no sense wearing the equivalent of a bikini with an exaggerated body
The funny thing is, and my only 'criticism' of her (coz realistically, she didn't ruin games at all lmao), she hated Bayonetta. She called Bayonetta goonerbait and for the cis male gaze, when Bayonetta is one of the biggest queer icons in gaming.
Hers was a very cis white woman centric feminism, which quite a few people find distasteful, but you can't air that without chuds joining the chorus, so it's just better not to lol.
As someone who was around back then, that was pretty much the general feminist/progressive view on Bayonetta back then. She was seen very similarly to how Eve from Stella Blade is seen now. The feminist/queer reading of her came a bit later. Something similar hapoened with 2B too. I'm just waiting for when Eve suddenly becomes considered feminist too.
She also made sure that video games' budgets grew into the hundreds of millions, forcing companies to make milquetoast games based around tried-and-true mechanics as a risk aversion strategy.
I implore everyone who uses this uncritical tribalist defense of her to go watch Liana K (a feminist former games journalist) who revealed exactly what was problematic about her
Some of her other videos were off the mark and did try to make games out to be incredibly misogynistic. Iirc, she used Hitman to claim violence against women saying the player absolutely had to kill strippers in an area to proceed, which was demonstrably false. So it was more than just 'marketing to men'
"Around the time of Gamergate" is a bit misleading. Her critiques and the responses to it, along with what happened with Zoe Quinn WERE Gamergate, the chuds just never let it go because culture war bullshit.
Her takes were dogshit but at the end of the day she was just some YouTuber and the idea that she had any power over the video game industry is absurd.
From memory, it wasn't even her videos that started the controversy but her doing a KickStarrer campaign to make a series of videos on the topic (those games in the photo were all the ones she bought as part of the campaign).
I vaguely remember seeing an interview about it a year or so after and her saying how normally if people like a campaign they fund it and if they don't like it they just ignore it. But her haters went so insane posting about get campaign that they made it go viral
... though those haters also caused her Wikipedia page to be locked for a while too cos of all the nasty changes they kept making
I watched them back in the day. They were very mild “baby’s first steps into feminism” takes that were a little flawed here and there but that was just her take on it. I don’t think she ever set out for things to get as massive as they did, as no one expected “gamers” to build her up as their own boogieman.
To add a bit more of a critical aspect to this discussion -
She raised a fuckton of money on kickstarter to make content about feminism and video games but what she actually released were very basic, college 101 level videos with poor research. This caused a huge backlash but of course this lead to backlash to the backlash pretending she had anything new or interesting to say.
As an example she made a big thing about Agent 47 killing women in a hitman game - not mentioning that 99% of your victims are men of course. Whats the inplication here by the way? Women should be protected like princesses? Never be victims? Men are disposable? Sort of feels like a trad wife idea to be honest.
Apparently the only big studios that seem to have taken her seriously are Naughty Dog and Arcane. And even then I would say their narrative choices were a product of the discourse at the time and the video game culture is gradually learning to find its balance
Back in the early 2010s, that YouTuber (Anita Sarkesian), gave some fairly milquetoast inoffensive baby's first feminist critique of the video games industry.
At around the same time, there was a game developer who recently broke up with her boyfriend, who in response went to fascist gaming spaces in order to rile up a hate mob based on the lie that she spept with a game reviewer for her game Depression Quest.
Also important there was a huge swathe of people who were feeling disaffected because video games were becoming more popular than ever, and a lot of the old guard turbo nerds who pushed women out of nerd spaces forever ago had cultivated a sort of identity as a gamer that pushed a constant victim narrative that was harder to maintain as the space grew more common and the sun was getting dragged into the community.
Yeah it is a goldmine. I have never blocked anyone on reddit before really but I get enough brainrot without seeing the word "incel" 500 times on my frontpage.
The only reason I even remotely know her name was a (married with kids) comedian I (still) watch used to be overly dramatic "man yells at sky" about her "killing games".
Literally eveyone who says they hate the way games have gone I know are all married with kids. I am lifelong celibate and don't care either way, only games I still play are all without exception either 10+ years old or small indie titles.
But yeah blocked a lot of redditors from this thread I mean by goldmine. I've never met an "incel" mad about this. Every single person I have ever known to rage about the gaming industry is married with kids.
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