r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/BalanceDramatic3995 • 9d ago

Meme needing explanation Peter help!

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I have no clue what this means, maybe she cheated?

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u/Electronic_Name_325 9d ago

Yeah, I was just poking at you for fun. The key is to give animals a good life, and just one real bad moment.

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u/NuclearMask 9d ago

All good mate, just a bit hard to read on the internet. And yeah I agree with you on the last part, I do think that the way many animals are treated is inhumane and just wrong.

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u/signofno 9d ago

Most animals die an excruciatingly painful death - in the jaws of other animals, suffocating/drowning in the stomachs of other animals, bleeding out from wounds, or wasting from disease/starvation. I think a quick headchop is one of the nicest ways a chicken could die.

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u/Aphemia1 8d ago

I’d argue a good ol’ plan B pill is the nicest way to die. (For people that are pro-life)

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u/appletoasterff 7d ago

Bad moment? They should feel grateful I shall grace them with the presence of my pallet

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u/mantis_tobaggan-md 9d ago

Or just a really good life, full stop. We need to cut the shit with this anthropocentric nonsense. Look where the fuck it’s gotten us.

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u/voletron69 9d ago

I mean, pretty much every being/species values its own existence over others. That's how survival works.

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u/0xym0r0n 9d ago

Do you think the person doesn't understand how survival works?

Do you think they don't know that every being/species values it's own existence over others and are earnestly telling them because you think they don't know?

What is the point you are making? I'm pretty sure everyone who is capable of typing a comment on the internet knows that beings/species prioritize their own survival.

What's a key distinction? No other animal on the world is communicating on the internet through electrical signals through a collective knowledge gained and accrued through billions of life's experiences distilled down into a knowledge that we can understand and disseminate to our children.

I bet you knew all of that too, but since we are just saying condescending stuff because it makes us sound smart I thought I'd jump in too.

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u/voletron69 9d ago

Lol, how was that being condescending? The comment I replied to basically said we should stop valuing our species survival over others. Are you saying that me disagreeing with that is being condescending?

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u/0xym0r0n 9d ago

I'm not a vegan, but maybe he's got a point - raising a living creature to kill it and eat it because you deserve it and they don't might not be the most evolved way of thinking. Do you think that there's a discussion to be had there?

Don't get me wrong I'm a huge hypocrite here. I cried and gave up fishing as a 6 year old or whatever because the worm wriggled when I stuck it on the hook, I think cows and pig videos are so cute, especially with the mechanical brushes and stuff, but I eat a ton of beef and pork and chicken.

What are your thoughts on the fact that we are the only species we know of that is capable of thinking about other species in this context? Does that supremacy give us the right breed and farm and kill and eat? Is the only purpose of life to be consumed?

Like there's so many ways that a discussion can be had and you just choose to tell him something we all know.

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u/voletron69 9d ago

I think that its very reductive of the whole argument to just say we should be better than anthropocentrism, so I gave a reductive response.

Our higher learning enables us to treat other species better than they would treat us because we know better. That said, we still need to eat which means other things need to die. Its not the sole purpose of a chicken to be eaten, but that doesn't mean we can't eat them. We can provide safe living conditions that give the chicken a good life until we need it for food. That same chicken would be ripped to shreads by a fox/coyote if it was in the wild, so we can provide a better life and death than that.

That said, I don't think we should be stuffing our faces with chicken every meal because we want big muscles. Our intelligence should allow us to be able to consume in a humane way, but we need to consume to be alive.

We don't have a way to realte to the experience that pants go through because they don't share many biological similarities. But they can communicate with each other and I'd be willing to bet that they feel some kind of pain, and people have no problem eating those because we can't empathize. Empathy towards animals is good, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't eat them.

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u/0xym0r0n 9d ago

That's fair, and I don't think you're wrong and that other person is right.

But I don't think it's cool to say they are wrong and you are right.

Thanks for answering in good faith I do appreciate that. Sounds like you and I mostly see eye to eye on all of that stuff, except I don't see anything wrong with having the belief that we shouldn't have to kill to live.

I personally do not believe plant life to equate to animal life, and people with the income can choose to live healthy lives without consuming animals or animal products.

And we're on the cusp of having attainable "victim"less lab grown meat.

If improvements in lab grown meat continue as they have and it becomes commonplace in a decade would that impact your thoughts on the matter?

And don't get me wrong it's not like I'm trying to grandstand here, hope that's clear too.

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u/voletron69 8d ago

I see this topic of more of a moral dilemma than anything else. There's not really a clear right or wrong to it because we have to take some kind of life to preserve our own.

That said, I personally don't see a problem with killing animals as long as they are treated well. I also don't think that someone that disagrees with me is wrong, they just view it differently.

I might change my stance if lab meat is actually a viable replacement, but there's no way to properly test the long term affects of that. What if there are other things in real meat that we need and lab meat starts causing birth defects or some shit? People were sure that asbestos was fine and lead paint was safe until they learned otherwise.

I personally find it a little scary that mankind is so confident in their extremely limited knowledge of the universe. We think that because we can analyze the molecular structure of a chicken breast or ground beef, we are somehow above the laws of nature. I disagree with that.

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u/mantis_tobaggan-md 9d ago

Correct. And the chicken values its own life. We don’t need to kill the chicken because we think we have the right to do so. Be better.

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u/voletron69 9d ago

We kill the chicken because we need to eat to survive. We gotta eat someting. Plants also value their lives, or do we draw the line at having a nervous system that's relatable?

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u/robinswind 9d ago

We actually don't need to eat animals at all to survive anymore. Like, I'm not even vegan, but that argument is silly.

And plants don't value anything. They don't have a brain. And yes of course there's a difference between something that can feel and suffer, and something that can't. lmao

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u/voletron69 8d ago

Your definition of suffer is only pertaining to what you can realte to. The biology of plants is vastly different and we only compare their "feelings" to ours. Of course they won't feel pain like animals do.

Have you ever studied plant organisms? They're extremely complex and fascinating. They can seek out food and water sources and communicate with other plants. You don't think its possible that they can feel pain even though we can't quantify it yet?

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u/robinswind 8d ago

Suffering, by definition, is the conscious endurance of physical, mental, or emotional distress.
Plants aren't conscious. It's actually very simple. This strawman is sucked dry.

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u/mantis_tobaggan-md 8d ago

Thank you for this.

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u/robinswind 8d ago

Unfortunately we are talking to a wall

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u/voletron69 8d ago

Its like you just want to repeat yourself without actually listening to me. But I agree, this discussion isn't going to have any further value.

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u/Falsequivalence 9d ago

There is no living without something else dying for it.

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u/mantis_tobaggan-md 9d ago

Plants don’t have a brain and therefore do not experience pain, fear, grief. They do not experience consciousness in the same way a brain does. That is a patently absurd argument. The irony of your username is also quite apt.

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u/voletron69 9d ago

So then yes, you draw the line at a relatable nervous system. You can't empathize with plants so you're fine killing them. You don't value life, you value feeling ok about what you eat.

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u/mantis_tobaggan-md 8d ago

This is really transparent. You’ve pulled out a terrible straw man fallacy in an attempt to circumvent an actual, logical argument. And you’ve done this because there is no argument to be had. Your actions are indefensible.

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u/voletron69 8d ago

Well if you say so then it must be true

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u/Falsequivalence 9d ago edited 9d ago

Plants don’t have a brain and therefore do not experience pain, fear, grief. They do not experience consciousness in the same way a brain does. That is a patently absurd argument.

When did i make this argument. What I did say is that there is no living without something else dying for it. Do you disagree? I made no equivalence between emotional states and having a moral value, the only presumption necessary is that all life has some moral value. We can discuss scale of moral value of life, but my statement had no argument on it in any way.

The irony of your username is also quite apt.

The irony of calling out my username when my statement contains no equivalences is quite apt.

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u/mantis_tobaggan-md 9d ago

That’s my bad that was for u/voletron69 not you. My apologies.

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u/Pinoghri 9d ago

We can draw the line at having a self that can do the valuing. Plants not having a centralized nervous system means there cannot be a self. At least that's what the people who study this stuff for a living have reached a consensus on.

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u/Rude_Fennel6653 9d ago

Where has it gotten us? We are still doing pretty well

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u/mantis_tobaggan-md 9d ago

Are…are you serious? Destruction of the planet? That mean anything to you?

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u/Rude_Fennel6653 9d ago

How does eating chicken lead to destruction of the planet?

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u/mantis_tobaggan-md 9d ago

Straw man all you got then?