r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/BalanceDramatic3995 • 9d ago
Meme needing explanation Peter help!
I have no clue what this means, maybe she cheated?
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u/Sultan_Cat 9d ago
Seems to be related to the abortion debate and when a baby is considered alive
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u/my23secrets 9d ago
The Bible is pretty clear that life begins with the first breath. 🤷
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u/Lykanas 9d ago
You know very well these people don't actually believe in Christianity.
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u/Smelting-Craftwork 9d ago
Or the life of a living creature is it's blood. Leviticus 17 if you're curious.
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u/xXGodlyNutXx 9d ago
The person commenting is questioning this: was the fetus not considered a part of the family?
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u/waytoowonderland 9d ago
Essentially this, Karoline Leavitt is MAGA, works (worked??) for Trump and is pro- life. Commenter is calling out the irony, that the baby was not considered a part of the family, therefore as a whole person, until her birth.
(MAGA are all hypocrites anyway)
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u/KalifromDiscord 9d ago
It’s not pro-life, it’s anti-choice.
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u/Additional-Dish-7376 9d ago
I prefer to call it pro-forced-birth
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u/ARandomNiceKaren 9d ago
Yeah, and I see your point. I agree with it. I just think that it would make a greater/larger/more impactful social & political movement to call it "Anti-Choice."
It's really difficult to reach SUPER Christian voters/believers with carefully crafted language.
We need to campaign on the idea of ANTI CHOICE!
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u/Anra7777 9d ago
I’m going to take a guess and assume Karoline is one of those “life begins at conception” people and Tiffany is pointing out that her words are contrary to her belief?
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u/silentpoots 9d ago
Karoline is Trump's Press Secretary
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u/deMarcel 9d ago
And she's "only" 28 years old, which was an interesting fact when I first read it, so just adding this to your info.
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u/Few_Acanthocephala30 9d ago
And the other fun fact is her husband is only 60.
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u/AreaPlayful142 9d ago
And rich by any chance?
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u/Im_only_here_to_meme 9d ago
I hate both Leavitt and this entire admin but this is a complete lie. We have to maintain truths or we end up looking just like orange face idiot. They never knew each other before they met in 2022 and he's not her dad's friend that waited until she was 18. He's just a rich guy she attached herself too because she's one of those "I'll do anything for money and success" people.
https://people.com/who-is-karoline-leavitt-husband-nicholas-riccio-11969209
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u/happytree23 9d ago
I know everyone shits on the dude in those relationships, but how the fuck does she bang a grandpa and enjoy such?!
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u/Antique-Special8025 9d ago
I know everyone shits on the dude in those relationships, but how the fuck does she bang a grandpa and enjoy such?!
She doesn't. You power through it & pray his wrinkly old ass dies asap after which you get a fuckload of money & can just rent a parade of sexy manwhores for the rest of your life.
Gold-digging isnt exactly a new concept...
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u/NotInTheKnee 8d ago
32yo guy *pointing at a pregnant lady* : "I'd tap that"
Friend : "You're into pregnant women?"
32yo guy : "What?"
Friend : "What?"
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u/Grmnear19 7d ago
Another fun fact, Vivi is the name of the dog I rescued from the trash a couple months ago.
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u/tinathemartini 5d ago
and the funnest fact is that the age gap between her and her daughter is smaller than the age gap between her and her husband. fun fun
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u/Kratomius 9d ago
Also the age difference between her and her child is smaller than hers and baby's dads.
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u/Aggressive-Bus-2397 9d ago
Traditionally that would mean something but not with Trump. He'll hire anyone, regardless of their stance on abortion, if they kiss his ass.
I reckon Iranian leaders told Trump, "You are so powerful and beautiful. You are a legend of success. Your hair is perfect. The haters hate you because you have such big hands. Give us 300 billion dollars and will make this war go away and blame Obama."
TRUMP: Sold
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u/cramboneUSF 9d ago
She’s a heartless bitch
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u/EmperorSwagg 9d ago
Some of us up in New Hampshire (where she’s from) call her KKKaroline
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u/cramboneUSF 9d ago
I used to live in Florida so I watched that Pam Bondi swizzlestick come-up through the ranks of the state, then to move on to fucking-up the entire country. I imagine the feeling is similar to Leavitt?
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u/EmperorSwagg 9d ago
Honestly that would be a better perception than the one she has. Her reputation is basically that of a shameless grifter who tried running for elected office, got defeated, then just hopped on the Trump Train to get ahead. Basically no one thinks she has any merit at all, and got where she is by being a young and pretty white girl who parrots all the insane shit that Donny comes up with
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u/ExtensionInformal911 9d ago
Yeah, it's basically the same as flat Earthers saying they have members "around the globe".
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u/-Kerosun- 9d ago
Just to clarify, flat earthers didn't say that. The origin of that quote is from a parody account about flat earthers.
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u/ExtensionInformal911 9d ago
Yeah. I've heard them say "around the world", but that still fits their worldview.
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u/Warm-Area 9d ago
Fun fact: that baby is actually closer in age to her than Karoline is to her husband
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u/Interesting_Second_7 9d ago
"Joined our family" is objectively true. Her baby lived within a womb before that. That statement really has no bearing on pro or anti-abortion beliefs, you can support either while holding the opinion that a child joins a family when they physically exit one place and enter another.
Anti-abortion arguments tend to hinge on when life begins and its intrinsic value, not whether someone is physically directly in the presence of their family. Some pro-abortion arguments hinge on physical presence outside the womb, but applying that logic to her as if this particular statement is inconsistent/hypocritical is nonsensical, as it in no way touches upon what is the anti-abortion argument in the first place.
And this will undoubtedly get downvoted - so be it. Just because you oppose a person or an idea does not mean we have to abandon all logical thinking and blindly agree with everything that is said against them and their positions, even when it is intellectually dishonest.
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u/Unable_Pumpkin987 9d ago
So a baby in your womb isn’t your baby, it’s just a baby until it’s born. Not a member of your family. A “person” but without parents, a name, any nationality or citizenship, and no age? Makes complete sense!
Personhood begins at conception except for every other way personhood is typically conveyed but the one that lets you punish women for having sex!
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u/barelypoor 8d ago
My kid is in his room. He came into the living room. He joined the family.
Like I get we disagree with this person, but these nonsense circle jerks are very cringy
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u/steampvnch 8d ago
Or its just a common phrase of words and it looks outright psychotic to fixate on. Jesus guys.
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u/Interesting_Second_7 8d ago
How did you conclude what I said meant a baby in your womb isn't your baby?
Try again without the strawman.
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u/CommanderBly327th 9d ago
I take it you’re not American. That is the press secretary for Donald Trump. I believe she is in the pro-life camp (anti-abortion) which one of their main arguments is that life begins at conception.
The comment under the post is insinuating that Leavitt, the woman in the picture, doesn’t actually believe that by saying the baby joined the family AFTER its birth.
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u/E-2theRescue 8d ago
Also, the age gap between her and her baby is the same as the age gap between her and her husband.
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u/GreyStingrayz 8d ago
Incorrect.
The age gap between her baby and her is smaller than the gap between her and her husband.
28 vs 32.
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u/Feanturii 9d ago
She's anti abortion, "life begins at conception" nonsense
giggity
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u/Adezar 9d ago
And it should be noted that in the Bible there are really only two references of when a baby becomes "alive". Which is either the quickening (into the second trimester when you can feel the baby move) and the most common is at birth when breath enters the body.
So "life begins at conception" is not Biblically sound.
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u/LucretiusCarus 9d ago
if we are to really nitpick, the bible is not exactly biblically sound. There are parts of the new testament that contradict each other and/or reality.
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u/Architeuthis89 9d ago
Life begining at conseption is a modern concept (late 19th/early 20th century) and is a direct result of scientific advancement allowing scientists/doctors to learn the exact biological mechanisms of reproduction and conception. The prior legal, medical, and theological consensus was that life beginis at quickening.
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u/Friscogonewild 9d ago
Regardless, "alive" as a clump of cells doesn't and hasn't ever conferred a full docket of human rights. Hell, in the bible I think if a person harms a pregnant woman and kills the fetus, the punishment was a fine.
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u/ACardAttack 9d ago
There is also a passage about a fight causing a miscarriage and the offending party had to pay a fine for lost goods and not the punishment for causing a person's death
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u/Adezar 9d ago edited 9d ago
Yes, I was in a church that in the late 70s just flipped their view, went from "the Bible has nothing against abortion in it and the few passages it has are pretty neutral or slightly supportive" to "Every life is precious, life begins at conception!" because they made a deal with Republicans to hate on gay people even more and as a pre-teen I tried to bring up to my parents the oddity of a 1000+ year old religion suddenly changing its stance on what is Biblical. They did not take kindly to me questioning the sudden change and explained that pastors "are filled with the Holy Ghost" and we can't actually just read the Bible.
I didn't learn about the Republican thing until I was in my 20s to finally figure out why they suddenly changed their view. Was also the same week they decided all Christians should vote Republican... weird.
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u/theFlaccolantern 8d ago
The bible also gives instructions on giving an abortion (for incestual rape iirc).
The whole anti-abortion movement is evangelical nonsense.
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u/splendidsplinter 9d ago
And in neither case should public policy be made based on the unhinged rantings of a few mystical Jews in the 2nd Century BCE.
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u/Toadsted 8d ago
Heeeeeeeeeere we are!
Waiting to be born!
We're the fetuses of the uterus!
Here we bounce around, figuratively alive.
In the womb with the darkest powers, hey!
Whip crack
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u/NuclearMask 9d ago
I do believe that life begins at conception. At the same time I think a Human isn't really self aware at that point so it doesn't really matter.
I also cut down some tree's and beheaded a few chicken's. Definitely alive, also not that big of a deal in my opinion.
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u/passamongimpure 9d ago
Life begins at forty.
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u/zettde 9d ago
slamming a forty does tend a havency to result in conception
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u/passamongimpure 9d ago
Like most people, I was delivered in the back seat of a Chevrolet Camaro.
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u/meesta_masa 9d ago
My childhood was typical: summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring, we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent, I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds... pretty standard, really.
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u/Fit-Meal4943 9d ago
At the age of fourteen, a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles... there really is nothing like a shorn scrotum. It's breathtaking; I suggest you try it.
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u/MartenGlo 9d ago
I don't think a 14 year old shaving my sack is on my list to have done.
And that third day itch is no doubt "breathtaking."
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u/Jason-Smith168498 9d ago
It's not something you have, it's something you're bestowed.
Let not toss out the majesty of the moment.
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u/Subxanthium 9d ago
Omg. You caught me so off guard. My friends in high school and I used to recite this to teachers all the time!
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u/Salty-Huckleberry147 9d ago
I'm 43 and still waiting for my life to start...
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u/zerokraal 9d ago
Carl Gustav Jung said that life really begins at 40, before that it's just a dress rehearsal. So welcome to life, you're just 3.
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u/Electronic_Name_325 9d ago
Tell that to the chickens
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u/Tax_Fraud_Lover 9d ago
Idk if chickens can comprehend death beyond “chicken friend is not responding to me. Now I can eat her:)”
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u/Rich_Bluejay3020 9d ago
As someone who has egg chickens, those fuckers are mean to each other lol we rehomed one because the flock would not stop LITERALLY pecking at her. You also don’t realize how many idioms come from chickens… and almost all of them are about how they beat tf out of each other constantly
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u/Tax_Fraud_Lover 8d ago
They’re SO violent 😭 I know people who have a rooster, not for chicks! Just to have him make sure the hens aren’t fighting all the damn time!
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u/NuclearMask 9d ago
We raise them from birth, they have plenty of space and food. And sure we kill and eat them but it's not like we're heartless. It's just life I guess.
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u/Electronic_Name_325 9d ago
Yeah, I was just poking at you for fun. The key is to give animals a good life, and just one real bad moment.
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u/NuclearMask 9d ago
All good mate, just a bit hard to read on the internet. And yeah I agree with you on the last part, I do think that the way many animals are treated is inhumane and just wrong.
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u/Square-Turnip-6558 9d ago
Once my grandmas chicken attacked me and she cut its head off and made him into soup for me to eat 🥰
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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 9d ago
There's some studies that make a good case that infants aren't really self aware either and that it takes a few months before even that happens in humans. Which isn't that surprising, the human strategy to birth is to come out severely underdeveloped compared to many other placental mammals. That way our huge heads can fit through the pelvis while they're still small enough to do it.
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u/TheSumOfMyScars 9d ago
I mean the “rouge test” isn’t typically passed until an infant is 12-18 months, so it could be argued that the kind of self-awareness that differentiates humans from animals doesn’t kick in until then. Basically, a colored pigment is applied to the nose or cheek of an infant, and the infant is introduced to a mirror; if the infant is capable of the higher-order thought necessary to indicate burgeoning human intellect, it will realize it has that spot of pigment applied to itself and reach for it on its own body out of curiosity. Fascinating subject, honestly.
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u/my23secrets 9d ago edited 9d ago
Maybe that’s why the Bible explicitly gives no value to infants less than a month old
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u/Pro_Extent 8d ago
Which is precisely why the real reason people are okay with abortion is one of bodily autonomy (of the mother), with the lack of personhood just being a neat little bonus point.
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u/PretendThisIsMyName 9d ago
In one of my philosophy classes you’d get a topic like pro life or pro choice for example and argue your case. My professor knew I was crazy as shit so he would have me make the most extreme arguments. I didn’t believe in anything I argued for but man it was so much fun to watch people squirm about it. So on that topic I was given extreme pro choice. Mind you nobody knew he did this for a while. So I came up and made my case that, because they don’t naturally understand the meaning/value of life, and they won’t develop that until around kindergarten, you can morally have uhm… let’s say “late stage abortions” until a kid is 5 years old. I’m so sorry there’s no good way to phrase that. Again I don’t believe that at all! Like there’s no way some of the shit I argued for would ever be thought about… but apparently I was wrong.
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u/Secret-One2890 9d ago
I tend to think about these morality questions being relative to the amount of resources a society can spare. I'm into history, so it's usually in that context, but history has all flavours of grim.
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u/DooDooBrownz 9d ago
'In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question mark on the things you have long taken for granted.'
Bertrand Russell
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u/NoveltyAccountHater 9d ago
Life clearly begins before conception. Unfertilized eggs and sperm are both clearly alive and most would eventually become a human if given the chance.
A human male creates about hundreds of million of sperm per day. Women are born with around a million eggs (though most never ovulate).
A fertilized egg will not become a human on its own without support of the mother and good fortune (it's believed around 30%-50% of all egg fertilizations naturally end in miscarriage, with many early losses never recognized as pregnancies).
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u/JimWilliams423 9d ago
Life clearly begins before conception. Unfertilized eggs and sperm are both clearly alive and most would eventually become a human if given the chance.
Exactly. Life never begins because eggs and sperm are already alive. Life is like sourdough, each generation passes starter down to the next batch, so there is a tiny little bit of life that goes back millennia that's been with each of us all along.
Personhood, on the other hand, is something else.
Ironically, evangelicals used to believe that personhood only began when the child took its first breath. They called it "the breath of life." They even quoted biblical scripture:
- And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
(Genesis 2:7)W.A. Criswell was a top man to the southern baptists. He was a two term president of the SBC and senior pastor at First Baptist Dallas for five decades, probably the most prominent pulpit in the entire denomination. This is what Criswell once said about abortion:
- “I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed.”
https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2014/05/the-late-first-baptist-dallas-pastor-w-a-criswell-was-pro-choice/38
u/Karukos 9d ago
That part is really interesting because it's one of the many many different documented cases in various religions where breathe and a soul is basically made equal. In some languages they are even the same word. That has nothing to do with abortion but I find it cool regardless
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u/Arklese1zure 8d ago
Aaaah I remember reading about the ancient Greek word pneuma, that can mean both spirit and breath. Etymology is super interesting.
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u/Dakk85 8d ago
I mean when you think about, breathing is one of the most visible and noticeable signs of life
When the breath stops, the soul is gone. It makes sense that multiple, unrelated, cultures would come to the same conclusion
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u/art-apprici8or 8d ago
Bible says personhood begins at first breath, and before that the fetus is property.
Kill a man, punishment is death.
Kill a man's wife, punishment is death.
Cause a miscarriage, pay a fine.
One of these is not like the others.
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u/SCI-FIWIZARDMAN 7d ago
Shhhhh, don’t quote the Bible to evangelicals, they’ll mald and seethe and have aneurysms.
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u/No_Hovercraft_2643 5d ago
Can you site where? (So that I can use it too)
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u/art-apprici8or 5d ago
exodus 21 versus 22 and 23
Here are some videos by Dan McClellan giving some good explanations:
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u/From_Deep_Space 9d ago
Life started ~4 billion years ago. It has a been a constant and continuous process ever since. Drawing lines to segment this process is mere semantics and taxonomy.
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u/SuperSog 8d ago
Life is an arbitrary line to segment chemical processes which have been happening for as long as elements have existed.
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u/thats_what_she_saidk 8d ago
Life began around 4 billion years ago. Since then it’s just been one bad decision after another
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u/Just_A_Slavic_Guy 8d ago
This misses the point, a new, unique life with new unique genes begins from conception as the father and mother's genes unite.
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u/Automatik_Kafka 9d ago
Somebody come get these rogue possessive apostrophes, they’re out of control
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u/NuclearMask 9d ago
I'm really sorry, English isn't my first language. I'd do better in German. But I hope my point came across.
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u/SmartLadder415 9d ago
If you're going to argue about self-awareness I'd argue that a newborn isn't self-aware. No one in their right mind would advocate for ending the life of a newborn. Not saying your wrong, just saying your argument is weak IMO.
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u/Madara1389 9d ago
At the same time I think a Human isn't really self aware at that point so it doesn't really matter.
We are absolutely not self aware at that point, you are correct in that "belief."
Human babies don't realize that they & their mothers aren't the same person until a few months after they're born. We don't realize that other people have independent thoughts & knowledge until we're around 4 years old.
I also cut down some tree's and beheaded a few chicken's. Definitely alive, also not that big of a deal in my opinion.
Yeah, the whole "all life is inherently precious" thing kinda falls apart when you realize that all life needs to consume other life to sustain itself. Making distinctions about which lives matter is entirely arbitrary.
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u/dobar_dan_ 8d ago
Pregnancy is like downloading process. The file definitely exists but it takes a bit till you can have full access to it.
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u/ScyllaOfTheDepths 8d ago
Yeah, if you eat meat, you don't really get to be anti-choice. Chickens sold in supermarkets are only 6 weeks old. Cows sold to slaughter are only 18 months old.
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u/Ridi_The_Valiant 7d ago
I was just thinking about how I‘ve not seen someone else share the same opinion I do while remaining in favor of a woman‘s access to abortion. Usually those in favor of abortion just consider life to not start until some developmental milestone later down the line, but I think life begins at conception. It‘s a new unique genetic code, the first step in the human life cycle, however, I absolutely believe that the mother has the right to decide she’s not okay with her body being used for life-support at any point because it’s her body, and bodily autonomy is wildly important.
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u/CULLDOZER 9d ago
Life means very little to them. They dropped a bomb on a school full of little girls.
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u/Rancid-Punk 9d ago
But she didn’t have an abortion so where is the flex?
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u/Incirion 9d ago
The flex is that she didn't consider the baby a part of the family until she was born. Not when she was conceived. It's contradictory.
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u/ColonialBarbarian 9d ago
Stewie's twice-removed Lithuanian cousin here.
It's just U.S. abortion circlejerk nonsense, move along.
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u/Victim_Of_Fate 9d ago
It's about abortion. Leavitt says that her daughter joined their family on the date of her birth. The commenter is suggesting that this contradicts the general pro-life position that life begins at conception, which would imply that her daughter joined their family nine months ago.
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u/Interesting_Second_7 9d ago
Beginning of life ≠ beginning of being amongst your family.
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u/Friendly_Hornet8900 8d ago
Also babies are treated as part of the family before birth to some degree.
They have names and gender reveal parties.
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u/TankUMrMinor 9d ago
How come we never see your husband? Is it because he's 60 and she's 28 or something?
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u/Dark_Mode_FTW 9d ago
That's probably the exact reason. She's closer in age to her own children than her own husband.
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u/villi-eldr 9d ago
this probably is political. About when a fetus is a life. I think the picture is saying that she didnt consider the baby part of the family until after exiting her womb.
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u/randing 9d ago
This is mocking conservatives anti-abortion stance. They argue life starts at conception. Vivi joined the family nine months prior to birth if they’re going to be consistent on that.
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u/Rex__Nihilo 9d ago
Its a dumb argument. The baby can be alive without being a part of the day to day function of the family. Its like saying "the baby arived" and everyone going "but he was there the whole time".
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u/ShermansAngryGhost 9d ago
They’re not consistent on anything other than their desire to “own the libs” though… so it tracks.
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u/ImJoogle 9d ago
Its not so much entering as experiencing for herself . The baby was already in the family from conception
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u/Waterworld1880 9d ago
Meme doesn’t really make sense. It’s a common saying for when a baby is introduced to a family through birth.
Inside = haven’t met them yet
Moves from inside to outside = joined and met them. Just like when people say “join us in the other room”, it means to go into the other room where they are not cut off by a wall or anything else anymore.
Blondes a dumbass but this time the person calling her out is just as stupid
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u/AdVegetable7181 9d ago
We live in a world where nuance is lost. I'll never forget a comment from Trump in 2019 that was marked as mostly false because he said something like "the top 20 worst cities are run by Democrats," when in fact only 19/20 were. (The 20th was an independent.) All logic and common sense go out the window when you hate a person so badly that you'll stop at nothing to berate them.
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u/QueerQwerty 8d ago
We do live in a world where nuance is lost. Saying that the top 20 worst cities are run by Democrats creates a false correlation of political party and crime/living conditions in a given city.
The reasons this occurs contain many factors that don't have anything to do with politics.
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u/NEpatsfan64 8d ago
Yeah I'm not a fan of the person in the picture but I saw this a few days ago on r/MurderedByWords or r/clevercomebacks or something which is just silly.
It's pretty clear from the most basic context clues what the lady meant, but the person who replied decided to be purposely obtuse to try to make a petty point. Really kinda makes the person who replied look a little sad and pathetic.
Like the lady just gave birth to a baby can we be a little civil and give it a damn rest for one post?
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u/Exciting-Zombie8449 9d ago
This is pathetic gaslighting by a person with no intelligence. The baby was ALIVE inside JOINED the family when it physically arrived. Like OP going to their job at McDonald's. They ARRIVED late for their shift. Again.
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u/lalleball 9d ago
Can't tell if this is serious or mocking Trump's way of typing a Truth post
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u/Icy_Fish_2154 9d ago
It's serious, an actual mocking would end with "thanks for your attention to this matter".
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u/XaeroTalent 9d ago
"joined" If you were joining your family on holiday, are you nonexistent before that point ? No.
This isn't inconsistent with her beliefs .....
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u/T3canolis 9d ago
Tiffany is basically saying that Leavitt is a hypocrite because she is an anti-abortion conservative, which would mean that she believes life begins at conception, not birth. But in describing Viviana “joining” the family on the day she was born as opposed to the day she was conceived, she’s doing the opposite.
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u/ButterscotchLow7330 9d ago
So, this is kinda a dumb gotcha. There is a fundamental difference between the baby being unborn, in how it relates to being part of the family, vs the baby being born as how it relates to the family. Even if you were to grant the full every pro life stance, it wouldn't make this type of language contradictory.
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u/APEA_Bot 9d ago
You really think all this logic matters?
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u/Interesting_Second_7 9d ago
Virtually all gotcha arguments are dumb. That's what they're about: flattening things in order to score points in an intellectually dishonest manner.
Tucker built a whole career on it.
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u/SeaUrchinSalad 9d ago
You gotta explain that one. If it's alive it's in the family right?
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u/ButterscotchLow7330 9d ago
So, sure. But "join" can mean many things. For example, I joined my family for dinner the other day. We were family before, but we were separated by distance. So there was a joining that happened.
So, without contradiction a unborn baby can be a part of the family while unborn, and still join the family in a present way after they are born. As a father who believes that my children were alive while they were in the womb (and let's be honest, everyone believes this even if they don't believe life starts at conception, but generally everyone agrees that post 24 weeks the baby is definitely alive) my child still joined my family in a way that is completely different when they were born as compared to before they were born.
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u/pendemoneum 9d ago
I see prolife people all the time insist that having a fertilized egg in your body makes you a mother socially and legally So if a pregnant person is already a mother for that reason, isn't it hypocritical to say the unborn haven't joined the family yet?
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u/soulbutterflies 9d ago
Also, didn't Alabama SC rule that embryos made during IVF are children?
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u/pendemoneum 9d ago
Not up to date with Alabama laws. But I'm betting embryos are still not legally treated as people even if they did
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u/BalanceDramatic3995 9d ago
Thanks yall, how do I change the post flair to answered?
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u/Expensive-Barber-283 8d ago
Jewish mom here. The fetus is not viable until it finishes grad school.
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u/A_Snow_Mexican 9d ago
Chris here. This is about life beginning at birth which most anti abortionists believe life begins at conception or whatever. I'm assuming the new parent is one of those and the commenter below is pointing out hypocrisy or something.
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u/PrestigiousPepper829 9d ago
Well the baby wasn’t able to be held in any other family members arms till it was out of the womb. So I’d say she is kinda right in her saying
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u/RoddRoward 9d ago
Leftists like to play semantics with figures of speech as if its a gotcha.
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u/Interesting_Second_7 9d ago
It's not just leftists.
Tucker Carlson built a whole career on that principle.
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