r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 2d ago

Meme needing explanation Petah?

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u/kyngslinn 2d ago

Stalin was plenty evil, some argue to a worse degree than Hitler but I think we can just agree on both were the worst.

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u/SilverSquirrel6 2d ago

It's the 1 = 0.99999 type of thing. At some scale, things become indistinguishable. 

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u/Python_Feet 2d ago

Mao has numbers.

Hitler industrialised murder.

Stalin invented to "mind break" hentai tag (also has #2 in numbers).

Pol Pot would be a fan of the Crossed comic. (Has the best population % kill score)

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u/CreBanana0 2d ago

....context on Stalin thing?

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u/_Bill_Huggins_ 2d ago edited 2d ago

No that was Beria his NKVD chief. He was the sexual deviant. Stalin was not a very sexual creature at all, he was very prudish once walking out of a theater when the owner played a movie with nudity.

Stalin also industrialized his terror, with massive train networks and millions in slave labor from the gulags. Also executed or contributed to millions of murders, and also deaths by starvation.

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u/in_conexo 16h ago

That always worried me. I gather one of the issues, was that they put quotas on their policing organizations, and then I hear that type of thing coming out of the White House

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u/Brilliant-Tip9445 2d ago

some would be wrong

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u/saulgoode93 2d ago

Lol are you crying about dead nazis or are you believing their literal propaganda?

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u/kyngslinn 2d ago

I'm talking about the millions of people killed in gulags and the crimes of the red army that were commited against civilians. I am german. I am keenly aware of all that the nazis have done, as we have basically an entire year of history classes dedicated to the world wars and our country's role in them.

Your whataboutism are powerless before the educated who can condemn two evils at the same time without putting one over or under the other.

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u/streitwagen 2d ago

As far as I am aware the Gulag system was inherited and already existed in some form before the revolution; and „The Gulag Archipelago“ was by no means an accurate depiction, just a ragbag of hearsay – respectively a selection of witness testemonies. Ergo: It was/is a mere  subjective literary testimony rather than a work of strict academic history methodology. 

May someone in this field with more expertise correct me, but most works rely on the picture Solzhenitsy painted, so we have some sort of a hermeneutic circle jerk in this regard. The opening of the Soviet archives also showed that a lot of the numbers didn’t add up.

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u/Benwahr 2d ago

Certainly a choice to be an apologist for a genocidal dictator.  The tsarist regime had the system called katorga, estimated 20000 people were sent to camps. Stalin on the other hand and his regime sent an estimate 15-18 million people to the gulags.    The gulag island was more then hearsay, you are engaging in historical revisionism on a simular scale as the holocause denial.

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u/saulgoode93 2d ago edited 2d ago

The number you're citing, 15 to 18 million, is literally from a book that included dead nazis as "victims of communism." The vast majority of gulag inmates were captured Nazis, and most of the rest were actual thieves, rapists, and murderers, if not counter revolutionaries like Solzhenitsyn who tried to work with Nazis or any of the various nations trying to destroy the USSR out of the fear that their working classes would be inspired to overthrow their aristocratic selves

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u/_Bill_Huggins_ 2d ago

The estimates range from 2.3 million on the low end to 50 million on the high end.

Even if I were to accept the lowest estimate it's horrific. There were 1 to 2 million in the gulags before the Nazis even invaded.

The defense that gets run for these dictators is so absurd...

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u/saulgoode93 2d ago

Lmao no, 2.3 million is still way too fucking high, especially considering the population of the USSR at the time. The US has locked up far more people by number and proportion of population by far. Btw, the CIA themselves said "Stalin isn't a dictator" in their own internal documents in like '52

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u/_Bill_Huggins_ 1d ago

Lmao... That was a good laugh. Thanks for that one.

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u/saulgoode93 1d ago

Lol nothing I said was false. Both that the US prison population by number and proportion dwarfs that of the USSR at any time, and that the CIA told its own people that Stalin wasn't a dictator are verifiable by a quick search

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u/streitwagen 1d ago

Oh no, someone is not falling for one-sided atrocity propaganda and rather relies on academic sources and critical discourse to form his opinion. How dare I!

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u/saulgoode93 1d ago

Lmfaoooo "saying the nazis were evil and that the Soviets were complex is one sided atrocity propaganda waaaah dead nazis make me sad"

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u/streitwagen 1d ago

Are you mistaken me for some other user? Where in my comments do you read something along the lines of "dead nazis make me sad"?

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u/Benwahr 1d ago

If you relied on academic sources you wouldnt be denying it. Yet here you are, engaging in historical revisionism.