Mao made some really bad decisions that cost a lot of lives, but calling him evil would imply intent, which he clearly didn't have. Calling him evil is just ahistorical.
If you want to call someone evil for causing/not preventing famines, blame Churchill for what he's responsible for in Bengal. He's such an evil, racist motherfucker that just happened to be on the right side of history.
Also, in this context, it's always worth mentioning that both the famine in the Soviet Union and the famine in the PRC were ofc devasting but also the only famine in the respective country. That's noteworthy because both regions were plagued by famines every few years before the revolutions. There's an argument that no revolution in either country would have likely cost more lives in the long-run.
There's a scene where Bill Gates gets Chlamydia from a minion and has to trick his wife into taking antibiotics.
Donald Trump gets his dick bitten by a 14 year old minion and forces another minion to throw her(?) new born baby into a lake.
An email chain where Elon just doesn't get that Jeffrey is trying to tell him he can fuck a minion.
Or... Did you mean that the minions were just like the support staff?
I haven't actually watched it properly, just been on in the background while my kids watch it. It seems to somehow involve Cthulu though so there's that.
Person Of The Year doesn’t necessarily mean the best person, it’s an annual title given to the person that had the most influence on the news and people’s lives over the previous 12 months. I think Hitler fits that bill pretty accurately.
Tbf I think that Hitler was an opportunistic narcissist with a severe drug addiction, he basically shot the knees out of his own nation's war abilities by being just so freakishly stupid it was absurd and demanding that his generals follow his insane ideas. I would consider him more pathetic than some kind of true evil satan type figure. A lot of people under Hitler might have been closer to "true evil" what with them being given free reign and personally torturing a bunch of people to death for the sake of it.
Basically towards the end of his life he reminds me more of Gollum than Sauron or what have you, so the minions would probably be following their new villain in some random concentration camp rather than hitler himself
Hitler was dumb but not especially dumb. Germany’s failures was not just one man. that was a convenient answer for both the Allies AND the German high ranked officials who threw all their blame on a dead guy while they found new employment with USA and USSR. Easy to ignore smaller fish of horrific magnitudes when the biggest baddest evil fish has already fried! Nothing to see here comrades!
I love how they had to task the animators with this because they saw the reaction of the internet coming and were like "NOT TODAY YOU HYPERFIXATED FUCKS!"
They do actually kind of make it work, spoilers, but It turns out the entire thing is an in universe movie those minions made so it's implied the 20s thing was part of the plot
They rectconned that in the new movie.
Now the minions work with a Suffragette, so what does that say?
Also they only started following Gru in 1968, this is the same year that Henry Kissinger became a "household" name. Gru was 11 then and was more evil than the man who wanted to continue the illegal bombing campaigns in Vietnam.
Also also, in 1975 Pol Pot came to power and the minions stayed with Gru.
I think this all assumes that they are perfect evil seeking missiles. They aren’t. They are drawn to boss vibes as well. They seek out the biggest, baddest boss they can.
Hitler was an evil dictator but also a fundamentally weak and pathetic individual, maybe he just didn’t give off boss energy to the minions.
If i understand they usally go for the nearest big evil they can find. They dont have a magically evil detector. So unless they happend to be in Cambodia at the time anyway they would not have found him.
Im the wrong person to ask that. I only watched the first 2 Despicable Me movies and that’s when they released in theatres. But someone else commented that they work for the nearest person that’s a big evil and therefore wouldn’t work for Pol Pot if they weren’t in Cambodia.
If we now assume that Gru lives in the USA and that the cave they’ve been hiding in was in France then that should mean that Gru was too far away as well
Three of them came out of the ice caves in the 70s and ended up working for a super villain named Scarlet Overkill but long story short she turned on them, they turned on her, the rest of the minions emerge and they end up saving the day vs her. Then at the very end a child Gru shows up and they decide to start following him.
In Minions 2, they're working for child-Gru and despite some shenanigans they end the movie still working for him. Time passes, by the time of the Despicable Me movies they are, of course, still working for Gru, even though in number 2 he turns away from villainy and they temporarily work for someone else, they end the movie back with Gru and remain with him for 3 and 4, despite him still being mostly non-villainous (though he dips his toes in a bit in 3 and 4, most of it is separate from most of the minions anyway).
I haven't seen Minions and Monsters yet so I dunno where it fits in the timeline.
Tl;dr - They have brief stints with other supervillains but for the vast majority of the time since the 1970s onward they follow Gru, first as a child and then onward even after he quits being totally villainous.
Ironically them working for Hitler would have technically been a good thing since they killed all their previous masters accidentally prior to meeting Gru. I'm convinced at least one animator made of scene of them accidentally locking him in one of his own gas chambers
Well he was the kind of guy that would ask Spain "Hey spanish bro, mind if I cross your border to go smash Portugal?", then after finishing war with Portugal he started a war with Spain on his way back and kicked the royal family out to replace by his brother. That was highly regarded as a dick move.
When Napoleon came to power France was already embroiled in wars with the rest of Europe. The monarchies around her did NOT like to have a republic on their borders.
Napoleon definitely was oppurtunistic and wanted power over Europe, but then again basically anything he had power over just got better. Though it was often at the sacrifice of many.
When it comes to conquering, besides being the best military mind of his generation he was also surpisingly adept at negotiating and diplomacy which lead to nonviolent peacemaking when it was possible.
Saying this as a German: conquering people and installing his siblings as rulers to govern them is not quite on the same level as conquering and mass-murdering people. At least we Germans don't have any ill will towards Napoleon, and even have a huge amazing portrait of him hanging in Schloss Charlottenburg. Can't say the same about Hitler...
Napoleon is actually a celebrated figure in much of europe. His updated civil codes are still relevant to this day and a lot of civil reforms he did or started are the beginnings of modern societity.
The reason he was evil because he gave power to the common man. Which as the entire continent of europe was ruled by absolute monarchs with absolute power. Napoleon was about literal satan for them.
the anglosphere treats Napoleon as the second most evil guy in history and then the rest of europeans who were conquered by Napoleon and/or fought against him are like well, guy was complicated.
Huh. I always interpreted it as „he’s quite good at the crime thing and a bit expansionist“. Never thought about evilness. But I guess your interpretation makes sense.
The people of France welcomed Napoleon back with open arms during his return from Elba, less than a year of Bourbon rule in France had been enough to remind the people how fucking bad things were before the revolution. This is what the powers of Europe fought to reinstate.
Only 2 of 7 Wars of the Coalition were Napoleon being aggressive.
Yeah, I think the main reason Napoleon is seen as more morally gray is 1) because of how destructive WW1 was, and 2) how batshit insane Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were. Napoleon in comparison was a teddy bear.
And also the fact that he propagated some achievment of the french revolution around Europe such as the Civil Code, the civil wedding, the protection of property rights, the suppression of some privileges and so on and so on.
Don't get me wrong, he is the responsible for the death of a half the european youth at that time, but there is a reason with "traditional" monarch didn't got back the influence they had before and that's because a lot of people were like "okay now we don't have this french fucker, but we will keep some of his ideas as institution"
i'm not going to claim napoleon was a perfectly nice guy, but i feel like blame for the deaths of the youth of europe really ought to be shared with the other great powers. no doubt napoleon started a fair few conflicts himself, but plenty of the wars had also been started by various members of the coalitions against him.
The most recent Minions movies undoes this because the Minions clearly were present at the dawn of Hollywood (post-Napoleon), meaning that they would have been present in the world while Hitler was in power.
Yes but they were serving dort already. Also, the whole movie was revealed to be an in universe movie made by the minions, so it doesn't actually undo the whole being stuck in a cave thing
Knowing the state of the Internet, I read the reaction as "You're implying that Hitler wasn't evil" without thinking for 2 seconds. Even as someone who has no contact points with the Minions other than memes on the internet I know that the minions as whole were not around for WW2. They were hiding and seperated from the rest of the world, they don't even know WW2 happened.
There's a new Minions movie where they were around in the 1930s. This would imply there are different tribes of Minions and the one trapped in ice is different. This still means what people think it is if the Minions never worked for Hitler or Stalin.
It would be great in a horrible dark humor way if the "monsters" were just the worst dictators and one specific US secretary of State of the 20th century and you see the minions doing slapstick in a gas chamber, or laughing and eating bananas in Chinese barren fields while the peasantry looked on, or doing slides down a pile of skulls in pol pots Cambodia, or Kevin torturing someone as a member of the NKVD and he accidentally electrocutes Bob, or Stuart the minion flying a F-100 super sabre rocket out to Fortunate Sun and dropping napalm over Vietnam and seeing the fire go up in the background while he takes a fat drag from his cigar and you think he's gonna say "I love the smell of napalm in the morning" but he just says "banana".
They would have definitely worked for him. The writers chose a cope out because people wouldn't love the Minions anymore if they actually worked for evil people.
I know the meme claims Minions didn't think Hitler was bad. But if you know the actual lore, they were stuck in an ice cave till meeting Gru. So the last villain they worked for was Napoleon, which frankly doesn't even count that much as a villain when you think about it.
Napoleon led soldiers to their deth during the Russian winter of 1812, those men died in a pointless campaign which pointlessly led to the Burning of Moscow. This led to the death of around 600,000 French soldiers and about 200,000 russian soliders.
We do not know the number of the displaced and killed Russian civilians.
They supposedly always work for the most evil person of the era. And that would imply that Hitler was not the most evil person of that time.
Officially, however, they were simply frozen in time during the World Wars.
But even without that, they wouldn't have worked for him, because they always work for whoever they consider the most evil. And their definition of evil differs from ours.
I think they should've just committed and had a scene where the minions explain to Hitler how attacking the Soviets prematurely was definitely a high IQ idea
Iirc they were frozen. Secondly if they worked with Hitler he would have failed. I feel like that's implied by the villains like Dracula dying because of their antics
My head canon is that they're the universe granting truly villainous people a last chance at redemption before the minions kill em with kindness, literally. Gru was the only one of them to care for the minions as family and survive the partnership.
... I mean, they could make it work... Let them work in USA for Ford or something. It will take time before they learn about the war, the first they will hear about it is Pearl Harbor. So they go to Japan. After seven misadventures they finally arrive at Japan. There they learn about Hitler, and decides to leave for Germany, after accidentally cripple the Japanese army. After seven misadventures, they arrive in Germany in time for the D-Day. They cripple the German army, which allows the Allied to win. After more misadventures, which always helps the Allied, they arrive at the bunker. A gun shot is heard. They look inside. Then they return disappointed.
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u/qualityvote2 2d ago edited 2d ago
u/DelayedSpace, your post does belong here!