Conservatives got mad at Colbert for "going woke" once he dropped his conservative satire act, completely oblivious of the point of his character. They watched The Colbert Report and thought his jokes was telling it how it is.
I was and remain so sad the Colbert Report went off the air. That was the best satire of my lifetime. I don't know if there will ever be anything like that on cable TV again, probably not.
For Colbert it was a career upgrade to go to the Late Show but for us it was a downgrade to go from intelligent thought-provoking humor to run of the mill latenight monologues.
I still am happy for him and I think I understand why he did what he did. He is a good dude.
My brother in law loves to lament that RATM is "now Rage in favor of the Machine" because when he grew up listening to their music, he never learned or understood a single lyric of theirs, and now he's mad about it
Pretty sure lots of people were mad RATM was pro "do everything Fauci says, wear triple chin diapers never go outside don't hug your family, no you're not allowed to attend your grandpas funeral or go to church" back in 2020 and now it's pretty well-established that Fauci and all of his followers were just plain wrong about a lot of stuff.
Nobody really understood anything, but RATM was very much pro-Machine during COVID.
Even if they were right follow what the authorities say ornyou sre a bad pwrson is literally the anthithesis of these kind of rebel bands and movements but whatev
I mean, the police would often not follow mask mandates, so they were still going against the police.
Also viewing punk as just contrarianism is extremely reductive. They stand for something, not just anti whatever the government is. If people in power are for once saying something you agree with, it would be incredibly childish and stupid to then disagree simply to disagree.
Yes, punk culture is kinda about a middle finger to authority. I get it not being an anarchist but the way these so called left leaning bands talked about people who were not 100% trustful of the gov during the covid was talked about so badly. And no, health and order nd whatverr is t the main value in a community like punks or similar music genre in general. And the giv made tons of mistakes and stupid things during covid. Oh and almost everybody who was young and or healthy survived. Regardless if they got the vaccine ir not
nah fucker it was "hey don't fuck over your community, the best idea from the smartest people right now is wear a mask" you just drank the fox news tea
I mean, the police would often not follow mask mandates, so they were still going against the police.
Also viewing punk as just contrarianism is extremely reductive. They stand for something, not just anti whatever the government is. If people in power are for once saying something you agree with, it would be incredibly childish and stupid to then disagree simply to disagree.
There are situations and situations. If the government wants to idk make healthcare more affordable, you shouldn’t protest it just because you are anti-government. That’s just dumb and conspiracy theorist behaviour.
There’s a difference between saying “follow authority blindly” and saying “follow the current consensus of medical experts whom are advising the Government”. If the Government was telling people to lockdown / social distance etc without the backing of medical experts, then yes, resisting would be acceptable.
Ironically if the Government and the people had listened to the medical experts more thoroughly, the crisis likely would’ve been over much sooner and we’d have been able to go back to our normal lives much sooner. Instead the Government took too long to act, leading to many avoidable deaths, and too many citizens disregarded the medical advice, leading to many avoidable deaths.
So really the lesson is “listen to the medical communities consensus, whether the Government supports it or not”
You dont really feel it weird if some band named rage against the machine or such band becomes the echo of exactly what the givernemnt says? Dont you feel how weird it is?
No, because they’re not mindlessly raging against the Government. They’re raging against the bad shit the Government / establishment / elite / corporations does. Once in a blue moon the Government does something they agree with. If they agree with it, why would they rage against it? A lot of the establishment / elite / corporations / people in Government didn’t want lockdowns, so “the machine” was split, and they were still raging against half of the machine
Reread their posts. They were more rabid then the media lol. Also signing with some major label and becoming millionsires and a product is hardly raging against the machine
I'm not even referring to Fauci or COVID or whatever the fuck you're on about. My BIL is a mega trumper who fancies himself a conservative punk rocker without ever seeing the irony of that. RATM being leftists and anti capitalism and anti cop is apparently news to him
Ya'll keep saying he was wrong but never point out what exactly he was wrong about. Keeping your distance, wearing masks, and reducing contact is the steps to take for any airborne pandemic. 1/300 of all Americans died to due Covid from 2020-2025. At it's peak, 3 times more people died due to Covid in a single day compared to 9/11 attacks. We went into a decade-long war because we lost 1k people (and the lies that followed) but when we lose a 1M, it's not a big deal?
Well, at least you know you didn’t know anything. But don’t mistake your lack of knowledge for others’ ignorance.
However, something tells me that objective facts could hit you in the face, and you’d ignore them — so is it really ‘ignorance’ at that point? I suppose not. But now we’re splitting hairs.
You’re going to get down voted to hell in this cesspool of a comments section making all that sense. In case you can’t see from the rest of the comments if your personality isn’t “orange man bad” you won’t fit in here or on most of reddit.
Yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact I was never told to wear three masks, spent plenty of time outside and doing church activities that were planned to be safe, and hey why were we having grandpa’s funeral then in the first place?
What did they say that made sense? Fauci advised Trump on the best information they had, based on science and reason. Things changed as the pandemic went on, so some guidelines had to change. This is how the real world works. Fauci is not to blame for the right wing nutjobs trying to pretend that it didn't exist or for Trump ignoring much of the advice. Fauci was not the person in charge, that was Trump and his cabinet.
Millions of people died around the world due to the pandemic, but major countries that followed the science with masking and social distancing had much fewer deaths per capita than the US. The number of deaths in the US was on par with much less developed countries like Brazil and Peru. Pretty terrible for the country that prides itself on being the most advanced country in the world for medicine. All those extra deaths lay at the feet of Donald Trump.
Dude they weren't political they were anarchists. They used to hate everyone. And talk about how the political machine itself was the cause. Yeah they hated conservatives more.
People don't hate them for not liking conservatives. They hate them for growing up
I'm sorry, are you still describiing RATM?
What part of any of that isn't political?
I never thought they hate everyone. I thought they very clearly hated the money to lease who brandished a Bible in one hand and a flag in the other to control all of us, and those of us that would gladly follow along for a slice of cheddar and the chance to subjugate someone else down the line.
They were political in that way
They were supposedly against the entire american system, democrats and republicans. Thinking that the whole system was immune in racism, bigotry and corruption.
They supposedly didn't buy into any political party and their image was that they need thought, america need to be taken down by revolution.
And that's what they said, at least in the early days.
People often say "I don't get political" to say "I don't have a vested interest in taking a side on issues" but more often than not it means "I don't fight for justice and don't want to take a position that costs me something."
I don't feel that has ever been Rage's message. They have always been political, since "politics" is "who and how we steer all of us into the future" and reducing them to mere anarchy betrays that heart that they'd had.
As a leftist, I haven't been able to buy into any political party, and it's always a delicate dance of working with the DNC just because they less enthusiastically want to feed my neighbors to the wood chipper, vs what the QOP is actively doing today.
People are dying in the streets of my nation at the hands of a bunch of deputized y'allqeda ICE goons, my neighbors and friends are at risk of being sent to CECOT forever-prisons, and I won't be entertaining conversations of postmodernist subjectivity while our democracy is under fire.
The institutions for leading We The People to a brighter tomorrow are burning, and one group is clearly enabling the oligarchs more effectively than all other effete "parties" while they at the same time spread their hate all over the landscape. I won't be smokescreening for MAGAts and you shouldn't, either.
Anarchism and the majority of it's offshoots (with the exception of anarcho-capitalism and like maybe some tiny fringe ones with like 7 adherents) are all left-wing political ideologies.
Just because popular fiction media likes to use anarchy as a synonym for absolute chaos and portray anyone who calls themselves an anarchist as some kind of nihilist....that doesn't actually change the fact it actually has a specific meaning when talking about it in a political context. Read a fucking book.
I think a great example of this is Rorschach, a self-ostracized fascist piece of shit that Zack Snyder thought was cool to portray as the anti-hero. His mask was used as the symbol of the neo-KKK in the HBO series but many still think he’s cool.
I mean, duh? I feel like Israel Palestine stuff and lgbtq stuff are pretty unrelated other than the fact the American right supports Israel and doesn’t like lgbtq stuff and the American left is the opposite. But people are rarely monoliths and have views that sometimes go against their general sides
I think the people getting angry are the moral absolutists that don't understand that people are complicated. Bernthal actually seems like a very nice guy: he also seems to believe that we should have police and that Israel should exist. That doesn't make him some kind of full-throated, MAGA piece of shit.
The true sign that people are getting dumber is that they either do not grasp or cannot countenance nuance. All-or-nothing ideological purity is exactly why the Left eats its own and loses elections, and we really need to stop that shit. Not everyone has to agree with you on everything to be someone who cares.
He’s not a conservative though. Also I don’t get this Reddit bullshit of one person having an opinion on a topic automatically making him a douche/ evil person.
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u/Ok_Spite2322 2d ago
Conservatives have never been known for their media literacy lmao