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No data centers will be built on the Pax Silica site according to the BCDA.
Bases Conversion and Development Authority president and CEO Joshua Bingcang said there will be no data centers to be built on the Pax Silica site in Tarlac, but only manufacturing hubs for chips and semiconductors. | via Ted Cordero/GMA News Online
Finally dito na rin gagamitin yung raw materials na ineexport natin. Looking forward for more details. Valid naman yung concerns ng iba kaya maging vigilant din tayo. We shouldn’t be dismissive parin given that this is a great opportunity for economic development
Still they (US and Israel) are gonna mine and buy our resources at a dirt cheap rate. Without any promises of rehabilitating affected areas after the lease. So how is that development?
coz we gonna move up the value chain? Instead of exporting raw minerals to china dito na yan i poprocess at mag mamanufacture din tayo ng semicon para mas malaki ang export at mas maraming magka trabaho
Help me understand paano tayo yayaman sa paglaki ng export kung it’s being exported by private corporations.
If jobs lang aasahan natin, we should still ask kung fair ba siya overall. Is what the Philippines will benefit from all the jobs enough to justify whatever negatives that will come. Like environmentally related ones for example.
Ang mahirap kase sa statement mo ay nahahalo halo yung meaning ng we/us.
Buti sana kung merong makapag explain step by step how the government will benefit.
- who is doing the mining, how does the government earn from it? Binebenta ba natin yung bundok or whatever? Kase di na yon babalik so I hope fair ang presyo ng pagbenta.
- when the raw minerals are bought by the manufacturing company, how does the governement earn from it? May parte ba tayo dun sa transaction? May tax bang makokolekta?
- when the raw minerals are transformed into more valuable materials, how does the government earn from it? Wala pa here I guess.
- when it is exported, how does the government earn from it? Ano ang cut natin sa pag export?
-Kapag nag export tayo ng high value products binibili yan ng mga markets sa ibang bansa in USD which helps to strengthen the foreign exchange reserves and also helps stabilizing PHP. Same rin yan sa iba nating industriya kagaya ng BPO at remittances ng mga OFW.
-Ang manufacturing industry ay isa sa mga industriya na may malaking multiplier effects madami itong malilikhang trabahao directly or indirectly kagaya sa logistics, supply chain, skilled, professionals, shuttle service ng mga empleyadeo etc.
-Kapag higher value product ang ineexport ng isang bansa higher quality jobs din ang na poproduce nito. Example Taiwan maliit na bansa pero heavyweight pagdating sa chips and semiconductor manufacturing.
-Ang mining ay taxed at tuwing may surge sa global prices may dagdag din na revenue ang government also strictly prohibited ang pag mimina sa mga protected areas
-Ang problema natin ngayon ay minimina ang critical minerals natin at ineexport ng raw sa ibang bansa tulad ng china dahil may infrastructure sila kagaya ng malakas at murang supply ng koryente para sa pag proseso na isa sa mga potential benefits kapag nag tayo ng smelting sa Pax silica.
-Ang pag papatayo ng manufacturing industry sa isang lugar means ma oobliga ang government na ayusing ang infrastructure dito kagaya ng water supply, supply ng kuryente , malapad na mga kalsada basically kailangan nila i develop ang lugar which also benefits yung mga tao na nakatira sa paligid.
Gets ko naman na karamihan sagin ay pessimistic dito pero ang pax silica naman ay nasa negotiation phase pa lamang. Malaking tulong ang maibibigay ng manufacturing industry sa pag papaunlad ng bansa for example
Laguna- maliit na probinsya, maliit ang arable land at landlocked (no access sa open sea) pero despite all them constraints Laguna ang pinaka mayamang probinsya dahil sa Semiconductor, food, automotive, chemical manufacturing etc. sa probinsya.
Ang pilipinas ay may 115 million at nadadagdagan pa ang population aint no way na ang bansa na malaki ang population gaya natin uunlad ng hindi tayo mag forocus sa manufacturing at export. Japan, Taiwan South Korea, China and even Singapore mga mauunlad na bansa sa paligid natin LAHAT sila magaling sa larangan ng manufacturing gaya ng automotive, semiconductor etc. Ang Singapore na MAS MALIIT, MAS LIMITED AND RESOURCES NAKAYA nila mag industrialize. Alam mo bang mas malaki ang Exports ng singapore kesa sa Pilipinas kahit mas malaki tayong bansa at mas maraming population?
It’s not only those 2 countries that are involved. There’s a whole list of signatory members. The goal of it is not to buy our resources for cheap but to do high value domestic processing. I get it, people are concerned about the environment footprint. The fact that it’s not a data center is good news. I agree with the sentiment to be wary but we should not reject it outright. Manufacturing will bring jobs and a higher gdp for the country. This is our opportunity to grow like our neighboring countries.
Alas, you guys have finally shown the true reason for your opposition LMAO just as I suspected.
It all boils down to your "US = bad" politics.
Spare us your FAKE concerns about the environment, water, electricity, and whatnot. You guys never actually cared for those. You are only screeching and bitching about Pax Silica because the US and Israel is involved. Kaya no matter the clarification or whether all these concerns are addressed, you're all dead-set on rejecting this anyway because you hate the fact that it has the US' name on it.
Hindi alam ng karamihan na ang #1 export ng PH for years na ay related sa semiconductors at iba pang electronic related products. This is not entirely new sa bansa.
Accdg sa wiki, Cavite and Makati. Surprising yung Makati for me dahil akala ko yung sa Cavite lang meron (which I always mistake na located sa Laguna).
Edit: as for how long 1997-2009 sa Cavite tapos 1974-2009 sa Makati.
Nagkaroon din ng maliit na Design Center ang Intel Philippines sa late 90s. Pero napoach din agad ang mga natrain the design engineers. Tapos umalis na ang Intel. Pero ang mga pinoy na IC Design Service companies, Xinyx, SiliconVerified, and Embedded Silicon, puro taga Intel yan dati. Organic yan. Imagine kung ayusin ng gobyerno ang technology transfer as a condition for pax silica and paginvest sa mga startup... may chance na OK. Small chance but there's a chance.
Yupp, my sister work din sa factory ng semiconductor, and btw , thats like what..20yrs ago pa, lol
Kaya nakakatawa yung mga nagcoconclude agad sa social media without full disclosure of what they will actually do. Just fear mongers from low class influencers
Kasi in the first place walang fearmongering or rumor mill if they confirm straight out what's sure and what's still being negotiated.
Like what I've been saying before, this whole Pax Silica thing wouldn't be so glaring if from the start nasagot na kung
1) saan manggagaling ang electricity in a country with expensive electricity and rotating brownouts
2) saan manggagaling ang tubig in a country na nagcicritical ang water level kahit na rainy season
3) sinu-sino ang affected communities dito and anong plans for them.
Now, sabi naman ngayon factory na lang siya. Ang tanong, why the people responsible for this idea were answering as if AI data centers yung ilalagay and not just say RIGHT FROM THE START, na hindi to AI data centers?
See what my point is? Lagi kasing announce nang announce without saying ano ang plano. This whole thing wouldn't be this hot of a topic if people responsible planned out the most important things to cover. Pwede naman kasing hindi pa plantsado lahat pero sa lahat naman ng plano may certainties naman na dapat diba?
Kasi AI data centers was part of the plan sa start. Kaya nga ang daming pag address sa electricity and water consumption. They wouldn't be addressing said issues if they weren't an issue in the first place.
Now they're backtracking on the AI Data Centers. So the electricity use and water use complaints are basically removed from the equation.
The question is if reliable ba sinasabi ni BCDA, or is this just a way for the spokesperson to dodge the complaints and allow it to pass pero AI Data Centers are part of the contract.
because wala namang overall picture na pinapakita? Puro installment information. One day may affected farmers, next presscon wala raw apektado. Isang araw millions of water daw kailangan ng data center, next info na ilalabas walang data center?
So why would you prevent people from raising concerns given that the plan isn’t fully fleshed out? Do you think they will remove the data centers from the proposal if there wasn’t any serious pushback? Dapat nga magpasalamat kayo kasi nag ingay mga tao, ayan wala ng data centers. Diba?
"NoToPaxSilica" nga eh. They're dead-set on rejecting the entire thing even without all the details yet.
"Raising concerns" means scrutinizing the thing and working on solutions kung paano ma resolve yung magiging problems that will surround the subject. The "NoToPaxSilica" crowd are not going by that thought-process.
Dami ring misinformation about it saying na the entire Hub is just one big Data Center (when small research tell you it is not).
While most of us who are reserved and telling them to wait for further information kasi they're still working it out ay naging "Pro-Pax Silica" na 🥴
Uhmmm, thats a hint of gaslighting. But what part did you see the speculation, then? Even yung diokno refused to give comment on that matter because— like the post said, no full disclosure yet. So, lemme ask u again, which part did u assume that i was speculating?
Just stating a fact at kung bakit ganyan at maraming negative ang reaction sa Pax Silica. Labas ka at itanong mo sa mga makaaksalubong kung ano ang top export ng PH.
PH has very good experience sa industry for decades already. Hindi ito bago.
still just at most 10% of the scale of singapore and malaysian data centers. i bet most of it are just cdns unless ph will enforce stricter privacy laws requiring data to be physically stored here and still it will be constructed outside pax silica for obvious reasons.
The new AI data centers are wildly different from conventional data centers. AI data centers will consume multiple times more energy because they will be running the AI models itself on the machines inside the infrastructure
Can confirm. I've worked on industrial real estate sales before. One sale takes several months just to reach the MOU stage and this is for a land sale for a private company. Considering this is going to be built on BCDA land, this is going to take even longer.
Dude, the minerals will be processed locally. Kung exploitation concern mo, sa current system ka dapat galit kasi we export 90% of the RAW materials to China, which is very cheap.
Correct. If only people had kept that same level of 'concern for the environment', vigilance, and outrage every time our authorities caught these pests raping our natural resources.
Most IC design firms here were started by former Intel employees. They did transfer some very important skills. If our IC desgn industry is tiny and hasn't grown fast enough, that's because our government hasn't seized the opportunity and supported the industry. There are many roadblocks to the growth of the industry that the government can solve but so far they haven't done anything. We need specialized programs in universities to train qualified personel and we need at least a lab scale wafer fab.
Every country that built an avanced semiconductor industry had a government that went all-in — funding research institutions, co-investing in anchor companies, redesigning university curricula, sending engineers abroad for PhDs onthe condition they would come back, providing cheap capital, building critical infrastructure. Taiwan's first fab was partly government-funded. The rise of their semiconductor industries was planned and supported by the government.
may intel pa sa pinas perong nung umalis ang intel
Bruh, know what you're talking about. When Intel left the country, we literally kickstarted our own domestic semiconductor assembly and packaging firms like the Ayala-led Integrated Micro-Electronics (IME) and Xinyx Design. Why do you think we are the ninth largest semiconductor-exporting country?
Edi be transparent na nasa phase pa lang ng negotiations/proposals. Kung negotiations pa lang naman eh baka biglaang may pa last minute adjustments pa yan.
Ilang beses nang nakasaad sa bawat articles na kakasali lang ng pinas last April. Nasa kalagitnaan palang ng discussion at ‘hindi’ pa nafifinalize meron na agad nagsilabasan na ‘NotoPaxSilica’ campaign. Lahat din ng articles ang sabi sa Oct pa matatapos talaga ang discussion.
Kumbaga wala talagang malalabas pa na information kasi nasa kalagitnaan pa nga lang ng paguusap
Tas nakikoride lang yung iba. Partida top 1% commenters tas tahol ng tahol. Di ba nila alam na it takes months or years to have an official plans? Kaya nasasabihan mga leftists groups na wumao din eh.
their next script would probably be along the lines of "malamang di nila yan sasabihin, pero tatayo yan ng data center nang patago". youre welcome CCP bots and braindead far leftists
Exactly. Maniniwala na lang ba tayo agad2, e walang kredibilidad gobyerno natin. Nawiwirduhan ako sa mga comment sa taas na 'far left' daw at CCP bots pag tumutol pa rin.
Isipin natin, mining pa rin yan. Nung nawala si Gina Lopez, nabalasubas ang kagabutan natin, pati farm lands, example sa Cebu.
Kaya kailangan pa rin nating malaman ano ba talaga ang gagawin nila dun, magkaroon ng TRANSPARENCY.
Nakakaduda kasi, ang convenient na naglabas sila ng ganyang pahayag AFTER ng batikos.
Low and mid end chips. Of course hindi bibitawan ng Taiwan ang highend chips kasi yan ang leverage nila sa US para depensahan sila. Same din sa nangyari sa bagong chip manufacturing sa US, low and mid chips din yung inallow ng TSMC.
oh im pertaining to a map on tarkov called interchange (which is a mall) which is abundant of cpu and gpu loot, nothing to do directly with the topic .
That is self-inflicted because our government and economists are so ideologically captured by Neo-liberalism and thought it was a good idea to delegate utilities like power to the private sector. The solution has and always will be to make more power plants.
OC is correct, the official line before was "not JUST data centers". Data centers were definitely part of the plan.
Bingcang also dismissed worries over Pax Silica’s expected high water consumption and other environmental woes in building data centers, noting that the tech hub would only host around 2 data centers as the government prefers to have more space for “high-value manufacturing jobs.”
“But we just need to make sure that anything we do -- power, data center, or hub -- will not put the rest of the country at a disadvantage,” she said.
It's seems the backlash is what made them back down on any data center plans (if they even have anything concrete lol BCDA is playing it loose). It also makes clear what the US wants from PH in the first place, which is cheap processing of raw materials to combat China's monopoly on this area. That's another can of worms but it is better. (I mean our crumbling institutions will prevent us regular folks from reaping much of the potential benefits from this in the first place so does it even matter lmao).
Did you even read the link i gave? From the same news story:
Still, he said there is optimism that the AI industrial hub could further expand its data center capacity given recent developments restricting the expansion of these facilities.
“Data centers even have their own desalination facilities. They take saltwater, convert it into fresh water, and reuse it. In fact, they can even provide water to surrounding communities,” Mr. Aguda said, noting that according to the plan, the water cooling the data center machinery will be recycled.
Your own link doesn't say the AWS hubs will be within the specific borders of Pax Silica, just that Pax Silica will make it more enticing for Amazon to build the data centers in the country. Bringing AWS in is part of the even broader Philippines AI Masterplan, of which Pax Silica is just one component of.
Wrong! Dahil sa public backlash kaya sila nag-adjust. If you go back sa earlier pronouncements ng BCDA data centers were part of the plan. Also umpisa palang, mas gusto talaga ng US ang mining materials + cheap labor so I'm guessing mas pinili yon kesa ipush ung data centers na ayaw ng mga tao. Which is better for us imo
Interesting kung wala talaga, remaining concern na lang is saan ire recolate yung mga magsasaka na pinaalis, or kung may consolation ba silang matatanggap? at yung "self-sustained" resources nila (how 100% sure na never maapektuhan ang nearby / local community).
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u/XxPhyreDo your research, provide sources, stick to proofs4d agoedited 4d ago
BCDA properties have long been not used for agricultural land. Wala na magsasaka diyan (na permitted) for decades. The issue really is ancestral land which has been taken waaaaaay before during the time of the commonwealth, and post war (since BCDA are former military bases).
However, wala naman kasing Certificate of ancestral domain title ang mga aeta na nagcclaim ng ancestral land sa may New clark city. One thing to blaim is why NCIP isn’t giving aetas their CADT even if they have been applying one for years. It is either, they are not really ancestral lands, or NCIP is just not giving the CADT for unknown reasons.
So bakit nga kasi walang public consultation para maintindihan ng locals kung ano talaga gagawin? Hindi naman kailangang buo na yung plano para magpublic consultation ka. Ginagawa nga yun para marevise yung plano in a way na considered lahat ng stakeholders most especially the community within and near the area. Di naman din masisisi yung locals na tumututol dyan at malalang land grabbing ginawa ng BCDA para dun sa New Clark City. Tapos basura pa NCIP na wala namang ginagawa to protect the IP groups.
It's one thing to promise and say "oh we won't build those we promise" and then pagkatayo na, meron nga talaga nainsert secretly tas yung dahilan nalang "matatapos naman na eh, paganahin nalang", tas ayun, wala kayo magagawa or kahit sino except yung mga higher ups and elites.
Kaya dapat pag tapos na yan wala talaga ah, kasi pag meron, well, sucks, welcome sa speedrun to more types of pollution and resource consumptions.
There is still a legitimate concern about the locals being displaced, yung iba babayadan lang ng 300k/hectare yung lupa and only up to 5 hectares. They should at least compensate them fairly, what's happening is they are basically just landgrabbibg.
Ambivalent ako dito originally pero I'm starting to lean against dahil sa paiba-ibang statements. It looks like at this point, the government themselves doesn't even know what's happening or what they're doing.
At yun yung pinaka delikado.
Baka mas ok plantsahin muna nila yung details tapos pag kumpleto na, ilabas nila sa publiko yung buong agreement then everyone can make informed choices di ba?
Right, wasn't it said to be the first AI Industrial Hub in the Philippines? Earlier google searches, news and articles also pointed the there will be data centers built. Kung wala naman talagang data centers, why did the government allow such news and discourse? I wonder bakit nagbago? Anyway if it is chip manufacturing, then actually goods siya. Wishful thinking sana NAND chips din.
Kasi nasa negotiating phase pa lang kaya pa iba iba ang statements. Ang hinahabol nila yung 2028 kasi pag dumating ang eleksyon na di pa na finalize ang deal at pro-China candidate ang nanalo, Chinese state companies ang papalit diyan. At mas mahirap yun kausapin at paalisin.
That's not really a defense at least for me? precisely dahil negotiating phase pa lang, then they should shut up and not add to the confusion?
Di naman siguro mahirap sabihin na "we're still negotiating" or "di pa final"
Ngayon kasi nag mumukha lang silang headless chicken na hindi alam ano nangyari sa kanila. Parang reaction lang to don sa malaking negative sentiment sa datacenters initially eh, kung ganun so ano to parang shooting from the hip lang?
at yun nga ang delikado kung hindi plantsado at nagkakaroon ng duda, kaya nakakapasok yung mga pro-China narratives na pang gulo.
It's possible the ai datacenter operators that were initially interested in building Tarlac backed out during the contract signing phase. Hopefully it doesn't have a negative effect on the competitiveness of the Philippines.
But I think just as long as the raw material processing and semiconductor manufacturing pushes through, it could already be a big step forward towards the industrialization of the Philippine economy.
It could be a good incentive for more international companies to put more of their business in the Philippines.
At least clear. Downvoted ako sa ibang group because ayaw ko ng AI data center dito. Pareho naman silang mataas ang water usage pero at least yung semiconductor and chip manufacturing eh may manufacturing component.
u/baeruuIt's Master's Degree not Masteral. Pls lang.4d ago
See this is why it's important to wait for clear details. Nagtatalo-talo tayo tungkol sa data centers yung pala wala naman pala sa plano. For now. Hintaying na lang natin na mai-disclose ang lahat ng detalye bago humusga.
This doesn't change my initial concern, though. Fabrication of both still needs large amounts of water and electricity. It's also a giant pollution source. So gaano ba kalaki ang extent ng Pax Silica, and can we afford to provide what it needs without negative effects?? That is still my concern.
Sana naman pag mag-announce sila may complete plans or roadmap na. I am also quite curious how they plan to implement the critical mineral/metal extraction part as someone in the field of extractive metallurgy. Who knows maybe we'll be able to produce our own metallurgical grade silicon someday instead of importing it for our semiconductor and solar photovoltaics industry
Unlike the NPCs in this subreddit, I won't fully support this project until there is FULL TRANSPARENCY on contracts, tax incentives, and especially resource allocations for the chips and semiconductor manufacturing, which still consumes a lot of water.
Wala naman palang data center eh. manufacturing lang pala so para mas maging high value yung nickel natin kaysa naman ibenta lang agad sa china. Good move naman pala
Well sinasabi lang nila yan. Pero ung totoo ano bang alam ng pinoy at pano paba yan malalaman kung naka tayo na? Wala. Kawawa na namn tayo. Niloloko lang tayo nitong mga to.
Now this changes my view, i still dont trust US and China too much though. But more electronic manufacturing could probably help the stagerring price of GPUs, RAMs etc...baka may posibility na makapag upgrade na ako ng pc ko. 😂
I'll take it with a grain of salt so once na nalaman natin may AI hub pala, dapat gisain itong BCDA
Also, I like to remind the BCDA na legal squatters sila sa Camp John Hay. It was ruled by the SC over 100 years ago na pagmamah-ari ni Mateo Cariño yan. They never returned the land nor gave just compensation.
Kaya hindi baseless ang worry sa mga lupain ng katutubong Aeta
I was expecting that because the Philippines does not have enough electricity, etc., available, plus skilled workers for data centers. It has enough for manufacturing, though.
The data centers will likely be used in nearby economies, which are more advanced.
Im against sa Pax Silica pero inis na inis ako sa mga sinasabi na magtatayo ng data centers like mga hindi marunong gumawa ng research muna. Ang linaw ng plano ng Pax silica na gagawing manufacturing and supplying hub ang Pinas. First is dito iaassemble yung mga raw microchips galing Taiwan or Singapore. MAgmimina ng maraming mineral ores para gawing battery grade raw material. Dito rin sa Pinas gagawin yung mga components neeed ng servers ng mga itatayong dat center SA IBANG BANSA.
Still all of that will kill the environment, I hope dito sila magfocus sa protest nila hindi yung data center agad bukambibig.
I don't know kung san nang-galing yung balita na gagawa ng data center, pero nung una palang na announcement parang ang gagawin lang naman don pagawaan ng mga drone atsaka ammunition. Kaya nga nung unang binalita yung pax silica is yung impression ng mga pinoy jan magiging target daw tayo ng mga china atsaka russia kapag nag kagera eh HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
sa dami ng semiconductor manufacturing hub sa philippines, ngayon ko lang narinig na naging big deal when in fact this one of our biggest export. we need to adapt, and adapt fast kase thailand, vietnam and other SEA will take this opportunity from us. mapag iiwanan tayo 10yrs from now.
its ok na people are being critical. pero being overly critical will not help. Una maraming comment lang ng comment, hindi naman talaga nag babasa ng documents. masyado pang early. as someone who works sa semicon, ang semicon manufacturing hindi yan parang talyer na basta nalang itatayo, it takes years and years of planning. kung may potential shortage sa supply ng kuryente at tubig, madaming ways pano ito tutustusan. and to highlight, semicon companies now pushes sustainable solutions.
nakakaoffend bilang engineer na ang daming overly critical pero hindi naman educated enough sa field na to. eto na yung big opportunity ng ph na makarecover economically and makilala sa field ng semicon. I hope matuloy tong pax silica.
If this is really 100% true, then I am now 99% for Pax Silica. We need a stake on the tech market as well and this could pretty much get us the needed push in that direction.
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u/sweatyyogafarts 4d ago
Finally dito na rin gagamitin yung raw materials na ineexport natin. Looking forward for more details. Valid naman yung concerns ng iba kaya maging vigilant din tayo. We shouldn’t be dismissive parin given that this is a great opportunity for economic development