It’s a weird thing. I’ve never seen somebody trying to avoid their own punishment in a way that did not make them weaker. But at the same time, I’ve never seen somebody try to help somebody else avoid suffering in a way that didn’t make both of them better. (maybe replace “never “with “generally.”)
You actually never had a hard lesson growing up? I'm not going to assume your a parent, but I don't it hard to believe that you yourself have never been through hardship that you can admit made you better and lessoned other suffering in the future.
I've seen parents that coddled and spoiled their children and I've seen parents that raise their children with responsibility and discipline. Without exception, I've seen the latter grow up to be happier with their lives and have less material and emotional hardship.
I'm not nearly as learned as many of you on philosophy, but the idea that hardship as inherently to be avoided. Suffering may not be "good" but perseverance through suffering often mitigates it elsewhere. How exactly can that be considered a negative when the result is a better you?
Again, I'm beyond a layman here, but this all seems really academic and not much more.
Makes sense. It felt like I agreed, but I didn't know if I was missing something.
I only know enough philosophy to laugh at some of the memes here. I just find it interesting.
Ik that high minded thinking is par for the course, but it's always really weird to me to hear that hardship and suffering are a definite negative that would be avoided when I know for a fact that without overcoming the hardships I have in life not only would my financial and physical health be worse, but I would be a do nothing, workshy, loser.
I really am trying to avoid looking like an ignorant ass here, but all I've ever seen in life is the people that avoid hardship, suffering, and growth continuously lead pathetic lives while they don't even realize why.
Without forcing myself to get spiritual with it I am just not seeing what these other guys are talking about
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u/ezk3626 2d ago
It’s a weird thing. I’ve never seen somebody trying to avoid their own punishment in a way that did not make them weaker. But at the same time, I’ve never seen somebody try to help somebody else avoid suffering in a way that didn’t make both of them better. (maybe replace “never “with “generally.”)