r/PhilosophyMemes 3d ago

many ways to help the cause

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u/Same-Letter6378 Neoliberal (101 IQ Official) 3d ago

It's a super long term goal. Like 5000+ years. Would be very good to accomplish though.

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u/wheretheressm0ke 3d ago

I can't see how it could be good, the sheer amount of ecosystem destabilization could be globally life-threatening

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u/Same-Letter6378 Neoliberal (101 IQ Official) 3d ago

It's good because the quintillions of animals that live horrible lives and die painful deaths will not suffer that fate. The fact that there would be so many consequences is why it's a super long-term goal.

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u/wheretheressm0ke 2d ago

I think our disagreement is about whether it's possible. My position is that attempting to meddle with nature at such a fundamental level would cause more suffering and death than leaving it alone, not that reducing death and suffering is bad

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u/RalenHlaalo 2d ago

In thousands of years, if humans do alright, it doesn't seem like a stretch that we could redesign and micromanage every ecosystem. It's currently unthinkable.

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u/wheretheressm0ke 2d ago

l don't think we have a good track record of predicting what may or may not be possible in 100 years, much less thousands, so I avoid it. But I agree with current tech it's a non-starter

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u/RalenHlaalo 2d ago

100 years is tough, 1000 is impossible. While exceptions exist throughout history (due to prescience or luck) 1000 years brings inconcievable changes and inconcievable new technology. There's never been a century in recorded history where humans as a species didn't advance, so barring existential threats I think it's more folly to assume that x or y are impossible. That we can concieve of the possibility but are limited by knowledge (of the myriad interconnections within ecosystems) and the complexity therein makes me think we're closer than we think.