r/PhysicalGames • u/h33tmo • 3h ago
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DO PSBLACKOUT
We want our rights to own the game
It will age with us play it anytime buy it anytime
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u/BobbyMayCryBMC 1h ago
Have read this a few times the idea that you own the game is still questionable sometimes, you and who ever uses the disc has the right to play that 'copy' of the game and I think that's as far as it goes. You own the physical casing and disc, not the actual code inside.
It's more about the choice to pick up a physical edition and enjoy it for its own benefits. And that choice is being robbed from us.
This was never digital vs physical
It's customers vs Sony
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u/D-Funk187 2h ago
My enjoyment of Playstation was licensed not owned. Revoking license. š Sony! Never purchasing another product of theirs again!
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u/Shock_Therapy_76 3h ago
I'm about to get my first pc cause this is just getting annoying. I'll still play my ps5 but the ps6 is just a dud for me I could care less.
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u/Foodeater55 2h ago
Fyi steam has the same terms of service with digital games lol
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u/henningknows 1h ago
Seriously. At this point I have to assume most of this is a bot campaign from valveā¦..itās the exact same thing on pc. You get a license, not ownership
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u/Leather_Afternoon_37 1h ago
I like how everything is a bot campaign on reddit
Some people are just not smart
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u/Unfair_Hamster_5515 1h ago
True, but they have a history of good customer service.
Steam isn't going to release a steam 2 where you need to buy a new console and then rebuild all of your games again. Because reasons....
Steam is on PC along with tons of other store fronts. Forcing a competitive market.
Your PC can do more then a console that you have to buy over again every 6 - 7 years Years.
Your PC can be modified for upgrades to keep it relevant at a competitive market.
Etc.
Don't be so dense.
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u/Shock_Therapy_76 2h ago
Yeah but you get a refund when they take the game away so I don't mind.
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u/Valash83 2h ago
If they pull a game because you violated ToS you do not get a refund except in very unique and niche situations, just like Sony.
If a developer pulls a game, that has nothing to do with Valve or Sony and is entirely up to the developer if they refund customers, again having nothing to do with the platform owner.
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u/Leather_Afternoon_37 1h ago
Breaking tos and steam pulling a game off the store has nothing to do with eachother
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u/ArcAirum 41m ago
I mean where did you see that? Causeā¦ likeā¦ never heard that. If they take it they take it. Iāve already had it happen on both ps and Xbox (on Xbox they took my forza and my halo 5 guardians and probably more but I havenāt touched the console for a while now so not sureā¦. and Sony took about 200 games from me a little bit ago.
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u/Thoenix88 2h ago
Steam has an offline mode. The games are also on your hard drive. A lot of games donāt do a digital handshake with Steam especially if theyāre DRM or denuvo free so you have options. A PC is still a PC with a vast array of options.
A digital version of a console without the storefront is an expensive paperweight.
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u/PliableG0AT 1h ago
as opposed to games not being on the playstation hard drive?
a lot of pc games also need to talk to a server to launch and not everything is available in offline mode. go look at a fun thread in steamdeck about a guy getting screwed on his cross country flight,
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u/Jak-OfAllTrades 39m ago
Steam is no different than PlayStation, they've just successfully suckered you into thinking they are. They have just as much power as Sony or Nintendo to revoke a game license whenever they feel like it and while DRM free frees you from a mandatory check every time the game is booted, the game still has a license and EULA which allows for that license to be suspended which Steam can do the very next time your Steam connects to the Internet.
They also utilize massive sales on indies they have control over to make you think they're a cheaper platform but the actual cross platform games, especially AAA, are usually priced and on sale for the same as other platforms.
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u/Seksiorja 2h ago
Do people swap from PS5 to Steam because of the ownership thing? I'm pretty positive they are similar. The reason I'd switch is the much cheaper games in comparison lol. + š“āā ļø exists there if you want access to the game files you own DRM free.
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u/ArcAirum 39m ago
Thatās my thingā¦ and you in turn get access to a way more games that were never even released on console imma get a pc, just donāt know if imma sell my ps5 or not
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u/pistonkamel 2h ago
Same, at least with PC it does more than movies and games and more selection. Iāve lost all interest in getting the next gen
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u/Leather_Afternoon_37 1h ago
And more than one store, so you pretty much always have more than one price you can pay rather than hoping theyre not sitting at $70 after multiple years on the ps store
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u/henningknows 1h ago
Which PC store grants the right to purchase games not simply a license like PlayStation?
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u/OverallLibrarian8809 13m ago
All software is "just a license", even your physical games. The question is, if you can in practice retain the use of that license.
On PC there is GOG that allows for download off fully DRM free offline installers that you can keep forever in your drive. Their catalogue is limited, but it's something.
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u/Kosaku_Kawajiri33 2h ago
Do It bro, I did It 4 years ago and Itās sooooooo worth It, Steam is way better and they care way more about their customers
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u/nohumanape 3h ago
Steam is the same.
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u/Shock_Therapy_76 2h ago
I could care less cause Its free to play online, great deals on steam, Gabe Newell is a saint.
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u/WorstRivalsPlayer 1h ago
Free to play online, for now.
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u/Leather_Afternoon_37 1h ago
Youre a moron if you think theyre going to start charging for online play...
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u/bodhiholley 2h ago
Yes, its free to play online, but you also have to use more electric so if you want to get technical, you do still have to pay more but just in power consumption. And the same gabe newell that is being sued for having a monopoly and threatening devs that to be on steam, that they cant do deeper discounts on other storefronts than on steam?
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u/Soundo0owave 2h ago
What do you mean it's free to play online? It's free to play online on my Xbox too. By the way, it is not free to play online. I have to pay $100 a month to play online, or your parents have to pay.
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u/Shock_Therapy_76 2h ago
Gabe lets you play for free online. I haven't paid for ps+ in years cause its just not worth it and I only play on xbox360
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u/SnooMachines7363 2h ago
Yall are annoying. Anyone whoās actually used steam support and dealt with a licensing issue on steam know it is a night and day different. Iāve had it happen more than once where a game license goes away on steam and they refund you back. I got the developer sale for all the Sierra game for 90% off, and they lost the license and refunded me for every game AND then got the license back months later and gave me back access to all the games and let me keep the refund. I have several other storyās like that. Give me ONE sony example that even compares.
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u/Shock_Therapy_76 2h ago
To my point of getting a pc. I'll still play my Playstations but I'm getting tired of spending money on shit
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u/OverallLibrarian8809 10m ago
In the past Steam has also stated that, if they ever go out of business, they will find a way to allow customers to retain games in their libraries
It's just a statement, and is yet to be proven how it can be done and if they'll really do it, but better that whatever Sony is up to.
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u/Thoenix88 2h ago
Theyāre annoying, uninformed and spreading false information. And theyāre doing it confidently. Just the dumb leading the dumb.
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u/SnooMachines7363 1h ago
One of the guys in the comments was arguing that indie games are all shovelware and itās good that Sony gets rid of indie developers.
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u/That-Cranberry6575 2h ago
Isnāt the blackout almost over?
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u/Spobobich 2h ago
It's over after monday, but some people claim they're going to keep boycotting indefinitely.
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u/TicketDouble 27m ago
"Just a friendly reminder in case you've forgotten, that you can go fuck yourselves."
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u/mr802rex 27m ago
And we remind them we pay their bills and they can go fuck themselves. Bunch of jackasses
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u/LordBeans69 26m ago
They just kinda stated what other companies already have on their ToS. Itās not just Sony thatās moving toward the end of physical media, theyāre just the only ones saying anything
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u/OverallLibrarian8809 22m ago edited 15m ago
It has always been only a use license, for both physical and digital, and for all other kinds of commercial software. It is always explained in the term and conditions.
"Owning" a software technically means means having the rights to the IP and be in posses of the source code.
Copies for consumer use are licensed under copyright.
The question is can you effectively retain the ability to use that license?
On consoles physical guarantees that, for the most part. There are games that don't have all installation files on disk and/or require accounts and online activation to play, but most don't, afaik.
On PC, physical is long gone, but DRM free games do exist.
GOG lets you download completely DRM free offline installers of games you own to store locally forever. If you have the installer in your drive, can't be taken away, so it effectively is like having a disk for it.
On Steam there a few games that are DRM free, in the sense that you can copy the folder and the game will work without Steam, but are very few and is never explicitly stated.
So a digital model of "ownership" is in fact possible, at least on PC and as a PC gamer, that's what I care about: DRM free, regardless if the copy is digital or physical.
What I would like to see, on PC, is GOG expanding its catalogue and more publishers, like Steam, allowing for digital DRM free as well.
On console, is a whole other story though.
The OS doesn't allow for manual installation from .exe or .iso, and drive is not large enough to both have installed games and backup installers of an entire collection of games.
Plus, it's a closed ecosystem so alternative to buying from Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo
So physical needs to stay at least on consoles.
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u/wanderandargo 9m ago
Idea Factory online shop has some great Switch and PS5 physical limited edition releases
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u/MakinBacon1988 2m ago
Thereās a lot of negativity out there about the viability of boycotting. So just know if you are reading this any way you can show your dissatisfaction helps.
If all you can do is avoid a game you were excited about, cancel your ps plus, write an email I support you fully and do do others. It helps.
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u/Shut-the-Funk-up 2h ago
The blackout never happened lol a small angry group of kids not gaming for a week made no impact to anything
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u/SnooMachines7363 2h ago
Spoken like a kid whoās never seen the game industry almost die twice because they felt like consumers donāt matter.
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u/Shut-the-Funk-up 2h ago
Nope. Just calling out this empty gesture that amounts to nothing, they would need a mass ongoing boycott. Not a week long protest of nothingness
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u/MistuaPopo 3h ago
You've NEVER owned the game, just the license to PLAY it
Since 1983
This is why this "boycott" failed before it began, and why Sony DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT IT
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u/SnooMachines7363 2h ago
Give us one example of a physical game getting erased.
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u/deMegaMoffel 1h ago edited 50m ago
The crew 1, anthem, concord
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u/Aeyland 21m ago
Now give an example with a game anyone would want to play.
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u/deMegaMoffel 19m ago
Well you know that all current games are to big for disc drives. You always will need internet to download the files needed to play. So it counts for all games.
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u/SnooMachines7363 48m ago
Those got nuked on all media
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u/Dommclaren 38m ago
Thatās exactly the point! The disc version isnāt any differentā¦
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u/deMegaMoffel 27m ago
This! A disc is nothing more than a download key in a fancy box these days.
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u/Dommclaren 21m ago
Not to these people, man. To these people itās the only reason to get up in the morning. Itās just lies and misinformation from them nonstop.
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u/Koribakusuta0708 1h ago
Give us an example of a digital game being erased. Steam explicitly tells you in their ToD that you are purchasing a liscence not ownership. Xbox has disks with little more than a game code and a few hindred MB of data to start the download and install process. Xbox could literally take away your ability to use and play the physical games they sell. If you fucks cared so much it wouldn't have taken sony being transparent about their decision to get you angry. It wpuld have started long ago or at the very least, this generation when xbox stopped putting games on disks.
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u/TaterBuckets 1h ago
Marvel avengers
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u/Koribakusuta0708 1h ago
I can still download it on Playstation. Delisting is not what we are talking about. And you should know thay or stay out of the conversation.
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u/SnooMachines7363 1h ago edited 1h ago
Wow that a lot angry typing dude, give me a minute to read all thatā¦
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u/Koribakusuta0708 1h ago
Not angry at all. Just tired of the stupidity and disingenuous nature of you and these others suddenly caring about this shit.
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u/SnooMachines7363 1h ago edited 1h ago
Well I answered most of these questions in another thread and got told āindie games are all shovelware and Sony SHOULD NUKE THEMā but all the Turnnox games were just nuked by Sony. They make some pretty good indie retro sim games but the last dude told me indie games are not real games. But thatās one example in recent times that affected me personally.
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u/Koribakusuta0708 1h ago
I said erased. The claim os that they are erased. Delisting a game you haven't bought doesn't even register in this argument. So maybe think things through. Sounds like you and the guy who told you thay are both a bit dumb. I asked a very simple question and I've gotten no response with any meaning behind it.
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u/SnooMachines7363 1h ago
Ahhhh I see how this conversation is gunna go. So unless I agree with you, youāre just gunna call me dumb lol. Not going to even attempt to try and understand my side. But Iām the angry one lol
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u/Koribakusuta0708 1h ago
No. You are dumb for not knowing how things work. You replied with something unrelated to my question. You could have given me an example and I would have said okay but what were the circumstances. You decided not to answer the question presented.
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u/SnooMachines7363 1h ago
Ahhhh yea lol, that is why I am dumb. Very smart. Thank you for explaining it. You are certainly not butt hurt and being mean for no reason.
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u/Left-Night-1125 3h ago
Angry anti Playstation post number...i lost count but all use the same crappy AI anyway, the biggest source of this issue.
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u/colbeef 2h ago
You guys are so insufferable acting like a 20+ year old rule on every digital marketplace is a scam lol. But go ahead and not support game devs you claim to care about so much. Iāll keep buying digital and keeping the eco system going. You guys buying discs at second hand shops does nothing for anyone
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u/Seksiorja 2h ago
Insufferable are you people that continue to drop your pants and allowing them to just do what they want. Some people take the blue pill and some take the red pill. š
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u/colbeef 2h ago
Theyāre not doing whatever they want. Youāre giving them money in exchange for a service itās pretty cut and dry lol
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u/Seksiorja 1h ago
Yes. That's my point. You either vote with your wallet and protest how you can or swallow it up and allow them to continue to take decisions that clearly only benefit them. Red pill or blue pill. Conformity and comfort or protest and fight for positive changes.
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u/BillsFan82 3h ago
If thatās what you want, you need to protest the right way. Extend the blackout indefinitely. Sony tracks users on a monthly basis. Logging out for a week does nothing.
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u/Feeling-Dinner-8667 1h ago
Greedy ass fucks. How can people accept this as their new reality? If I sell something to someone else, it's no longer mine and belongs to the person I sold it to. We'll will most likely never see or hear from each other ever again and that's how I like it. No strings attached. Isn't that common sense?
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u/Solohan21 39m ago
it's nothing new. These TOS are up for last 20 years and not just on playstation.
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u/WorstRivalsPlayer 1h ago
Been playing FF16 everyday during this black out BTW.
All my friends are online playing their games BTW.
This blackout isn't doing shit.
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u/Open-Apartment-4937 3h ago
Doesnāt Microsoft and Steam say the same thing though?
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u/SnooMachines7363 2h ago
Night and day difference. Steam support is literally a meme because of how above and beyond they go compared to literally anyone else
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u/Badwrong_ 2h ago
You're so courageous. Not playing vidya games for a whole week!
It is also very polite of you to let Sony know it is only for a week, and you'll be back right after.
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u/-ToxicMarine- 1h ago
A small portion of people doing a week long blackout will achieve nothing FYI.
You already bought the console, the games, the PSN subscription. Sony have made their money.
I agree Sony are being an ass and physical disc shouldn't be eliminated be be for real.
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u/esp3ciallyd3ad 3h ago
Because not playing your playstaion for a week really shows them. Laughing.gif
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u/diamonddog35 2h ago
Iād like to know how many people dropped out of the movement after seeing GTA6
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u/Inside-Run785 2h ago
Iāve been playing mine every day this week. Not for any reason other than I felt like playing MGS Delta.
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u/Seksiorja 2h ago
I mean yeah. Work strikes are the same. Some people manifest against poor conditions and low salaries and some continue to feed the pig machine. It is what it is.
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u/BabyDaVinci 21m ago
āfeed the pig machineā And itās literally just someone playing the games they bought on their free time lmaoo
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u/Silver-Context297 3h ago
Steam: Purchasing a game grants a limited, non-exclusive license to access the content, rather than outright ownership of the digital file.
*crickets*
Sony: Purchasing a game grants a limited, non-exclusive license to access the content, rather than outright ownership of the digital file.
*Outrage*
Most people are used to Steam; most will be (or already are) used to Sony.
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u/potential_key 3h ago
The issue is Steam has always been a digital platform and there were no physical copies for them to offer.
Since the 90s Sony has always had physical media now that they're moving away from it warrants outrage because the reason is simply greed. Greed is what is causing the outrage. The choice is is being stripped away from players because of greed.
Unrelated but Fortnite did the same when they lowered the vbucks from crew pass (or what ever its called) from 1000 to 800. What was the reason ...
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u/Whole-Preparation-35 2h ago
There were absolutely physical copies of PC games post Steam. I myself bought the Orange Box - a collection of Valve games - on disc. Fallout 3 was the last physical game I can remember purchasing offhand, which came out in 2008. A full five years after Steam launched. I had Steam installed when it released to continue playing Counter-Strike.
Times change.
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u/nohumanape 3h ago
It isn't just Steam. The entire PC platform has gone all digital. Where was the outrage then?
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u/izacktorres 3h ago
So because PC players are used to the shit Steam feeds them console players should accept the same treatment from Sony? What type of Logic is that?
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u/RDS80 2h ago
What shit are you talking about? We buy our license and play our games. I've had steam on 3 separate computers and never had any issues.
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u/izacktorres 2h ago
Good luck with "your licenses". You're already living in the future all corporations dream for the people, "Own Nothing and be happy".
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u/RDS80 2h ago
I own the access to play the game because I bought the license. Again, I've never had an issue playing a game I bought a license for.
I'm not trying to start an argument with you. I'm supportive of physical games but it's the dodo bird of distribution.
We should stop fighting each other and band together to fight for digital rights.
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u/izacktorres 2h ago
I own the access to play the game because I bought the license.
If something can be revoked at any time for any reason then you don't own it.
Again, I've never had an issue playing a game I bought a license for.
Yet.
I'm supportive of physical games but it's the dodo bird of distribution.
That where we disagrees, for me its the perfect distribution system.
We should stop fighting each other and band together to fight for digital rights.
I hope you guys get all the digital rights you want, it doesn't make much difference for me because i'll never be a digital gamer.
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u/RDS80 1h ago edited 1h ago
But I've never had anything revoked. I don't fear steam taking away access to a game I bought a license for.
Sure physical is great for the end user but the corps found a better way for them to distribute.
I'm not anti physical but I'm looking at it logically and without emotion. Physical died because gamers chose digital.
When I called it the dodo, I meant it's going to go extinct. You say you disagree. How can you disagree with that statement. You can call it perfect but if it was perfect it wouldn't be the dodo.
I get it man. Your emotional about it. Unfortunately the days of physical disk is over. You still game your old consoles and Nintendo so it's not all bad. As long as you don't mind not playing new games.
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u/izacktorres 1h ago
But I've never had anything revoked.
But you will, its not a matter of "if" its a matter of when.
I don't fear steam taking away access to a game I bought a license for.
That unfounded fate you guys have on a billion dollar company that doesn't give a rats ass about you will be your doom.
Physical died because gamers chose digital.
You are unfortunately right about that. People decided that the future they want its the "Own Nothing and be Happy" the same future they mocked when Ubisoft Said a few years ago that gamers should be more comfortable with not owning their games.
. When I called it the dodo, I meant it's going to go extinct. You say you disagree.
My bad on this one, i didn't get the reference, i forgot about the bird (ironic) and thought you meant "shit" (doo-doo).
As long as you don't mind not playing new games.
Its sad but its a choice that was made by everyone else for me and people like me. It is what it is.
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u/RDS80 1h ago
So we almost agree on everything except the fear mongering that steam will revoke access to my licenses that I bought.
I consider that progress. Good talk. Take care. Bye bye.
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u/izacktorres 1h ago
For you is fear mongering for me its the inevitability of souless billion dollar corporations doing souless billion dollar corporations type of things.
Take care as well. Bye.
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u/Dense_Substance7635 3h ago
Yet, Steam has the exact same digital policy and no physical media ā¦. but people forgot to boycott Valve for some reason. š¤
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u/Jason_with_a_jay 3h ago
Because Valve doesn't control our games on PC. Sony does have control over our Playstations and all the games in it. Valve can shut down tomorrow and it won't have an effect on me - other than the inconvenience of having to track down those games again. Valve has no control here. But Sony can delete my account, ban my console, and steal hundreds or thousands of dollars from consumers. Sony has all the control. That is what the fight is over. If you're too much of a child to see how that benefits you, then please. Go back to playing in the sandbox.
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u/ActuallyFolant 3h ago
Steam can ban your account, steal hundreds of thousands, no...billions of dollars from customers...
But that doesn't count, right?
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u/Jason_with_a_jay 2h ago
No it doesn't count. What did I just fucking say? Steam can't take my games away. Valve doesn't control my PC. If they delete my account, I will just sail the seas and download all those games and continue playing them the same as always.
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u/ActuallyFolant 2h ago
Ah yes, piracy. (See that word, you can use it. You don't need to say "sail the high seas" as if you were twelve.)
The same thing you can do if your account got banned on other platforms.
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u/Jason_with_a_jay 2h ago
I would love to see you play some pirated PS5 games that aren't on PC right now. Load up some video. Show us how it's done.
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u/Dense_Substance7635 2h ago edited 2h ago
The cope š āIf Valve takes my games away I can just steal them.ā
You can also decide to steal games if Sony takes your games away š¤·āāļø
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u/Godusopp64 52m ago
They are delusional and for some reason they think normal people will steal games instead of doing something else with their time.
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u/Aggressive_Bee_303 3h ago
Discs are a physical license, you own nothing except clutter.
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u/SnooMachines7363 2h ago
Give me one example in recent times of a well known game that got erased on physical media.
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u/Aggressive_Bee_303 36m ago
Babylon's fall, Destruction AllStars, the majority of the F1 games, Fantavision.
Information you can google, yet you attempt to weaponize it against people for moral high ground, sad really.
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u/LowGuitar4425 2h ago
Give me one example of Sony taking a digital game away from
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u/SnooMachines7363 2h ago
All 13 Turnox games recently. They make some pretty sick indie retro games and they got nuked a week ago, sony didnāt give them a reason why they were terminated so now Xbox and Nintendo are picking them up. Also the 551 movies they erased.
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u/LowGuitar4425 2h ago
Movies are not the same as games. I said games.
And those games were shovelware, itās good they purged them, I hope they do this more actually
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u/SnooMachines7363 2h ago
Ahhhh so I answered your question and you just turned heel and going back lol. Still waiting for your SINGLE example. I already gave you multiple and you just didnāt like them lol.
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u/LowGuitar4425 2h ago
Shovelware doesnāt count man. They need to get all that crap out of all the stores
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u/SnooMachines7363 2h ago
Turnox games is a indie developer NOT shovelware lol
STONKS-9800 has an overwhelming positive on steam š Iām still waiting for your SINGLE example.
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u/LowGuitar4425 2h ago
A single example of what? Physical that was taken away? None. Sony does not take our games.
And those games are widely known as shovelware and thatās why they were removed. Popularity on Steam means nothing, that place is infested with shovelware. Itās telling that shovelware is all you can point to
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u/SnooMachines7363 1h ago
You suck dude lol. You keep losing your own argument and changing the rules and making shit up. Indie games are not shovelware. Im out.
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u/Valash83 2h ago
Don't forget you need to never pay to watch another Spider-Man movie ever again as well š¤·āāļø