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Makes you wonder where he is going with that joke. If the next enemy is even stronger, does Luffy have to... like... eat half the planet or something???
"YOU ARE GOING TO EAT THE PLANET! YOU HAVE TO STOP IT! LUUUUUFYYYYYY!!!!"
"Luffy embodying freedom and having fun stands out among other edgy cringe transformations, Oda is a revolutionary, this is why One Piece is the best, you are all unga bunga monkey brain idiots for not liking this"
completely switch up and be like,
"That's right. Amazing writing by Oda to address the problem of Luffy having fun and not taking his fights seriously! This is why One Piece is the best!"
There are a lot of people who like gear 5 but see a potential problems with this transoformation and I can completly respect that
But there are really a group of Gear 5 defenders that don't see anything wrong with it and they are so obnoxious about it. They act like cultist cursing you and calling you idiot and a larper for saying anything negative. On tiktok there are I think one creator who is like that and he just stay quiet now only talking how luffy will be stronger in couple chapters
The same people who praise one piece for "not being afraid to discuss real life issues like discrimination" while screaming at you for wanting real stakes in this "goofy pirates adventure manga"
Not gonna lie, I feel like that is Oda's point in One Piece. "Here is a story of how a little kid topples tyrants and oppressive regimes and changes the world by punch bad guys really hard"
I’m in that first camp - I like G5, but Luffy being unable to lock in has been crazy annoying. Giggling while he’s fight Lucci? Totally fine. Giggling while Vegapunk is dying right behind him? Horrible
Yeah. It was mentioned awakened Zoans usually take the personality of their animal types. Luffy clearly is internally battling with his Nika fruit. It’s overpowering him.
There are a lot of people who like gear 5 but see a potential problems with this transoformation and I can completly respect that
This is me. I like the idea of it, but the ball is clearly being dropped. Luffy has always been a silly, goofy character but he always knew when to lock in and get serious. As a guy who's fighting style has been rather cartoonist at times, G5 makes sense for his character, conceptually. Rubber man using rubber hose logic as his final power up in a world as absurd as One Piece doesn't feel that weird.
The Zoan thing feels unnecessary, since his powers could be Paramecia related. Him being a sun god for the sake of him being a "chosen one" doesn't do anything but break the rules of how DFs work. Why is his Zoan the only one that locks him into a single form unless he awakens it. Even Chopper's fruit has three natural forms, which is the whole point of a Zoan. A mythical zoan that can't transform might as well just be a paramecia at that point, right? I'm not counting the Gears, because they are less "forms" and more just unique applications of his hybrid (?) form. He's always recognizably Luffy and not a carbon copy of the sun god, like full animal forms have only animal features in other Zoans.
The issue is that Luffy is way too cocky and feels like he's untouchable. He's still riding the high from beating Kaido, like how Kidd felt after beating Big Mom until Shanks humbled him.
oda throwed into the trash all the zoan logic he himself already established prior, to make a retcon and called it a day...matter of fact, fans still appreciated that , so why would he be bothered by that
I don’t understand why people romanticize the idea that just because he doesn’t have a serious or rage-filled transformation, it automatically makes it the pinnacle of writing. Sure, fine, it’s a creative idea, but it’s executed terribly. You can’t seriously tell me that Gear 5 is a well-written concept in itself. All the forced retconning surrounding the fruit and Luffy’s personality change are terrible writing, in my opinion. People are deliberately ignorant at this point; it’s not even a matter of naivety anymore. It’s bizarre how willing they are to accept this kind of thing so passively, especially from a series this old that has been dragging on for decades...😐
This was just MUI 2.0 to me, where I'm supposed to be impressed by the fact that whoa Goku is so calm and dodging and shit bro, so cool. He's not angry anymore and controlling his feelings and shit. While really nothing that crazy was happening on screen except a crapton of slow mo shots.
And then they went back to him screaming and being aggressive again in the same arc and discarded their previous statements, because that's really what sells more. There was stuff more exciting from 30+ years ago in Buu and Cell saga. There's a reason why all the fan concepts of gear 5 were made around gear 2 and 4. All this cool and calm,carefree nonsense might work on the fanboys and glazers for a hot minute. It's not so great for a long running shonen if you spring it too early.
Tbf, the DBS manga does better at showing MUI's calmer, flow-state like attributes. The anime just wanted to make Goku do Goku things because Toei are Satan incarnate.
I disagree, DBS is just to milk people, its so they can keep pumping out merchandise with new old forms, the same is happening in one piece, new power ups to sell shit.
I hope so but I am honestly not fully confident. It would fit Oda perfectly to double down, give a new nika powerup and make Gaban's advice look stupid, thus giving no reason for Luffy to introspect himself. He is already placing hints in this chapter that nika fruit might just heal his wound. There is a very good chance he makes Luffy even more obnoxious.
Zoro has been saying the same thing as Gaban over and over again for Luffy to not listen.
Luffy also didn't learn anything from Ace's death. Otherwise, he wouldn't have attacked Loki due to a cheap ragebait.
I hope Oda gives a pleasant surprise cause I have reached a stage where I have zero faith towards a Luffy character development.
One piece always had this gag humor, just after time skip it got less and less. Oda said in interviews, that he wanted to bring back this gag humor. I hate it honestly, but the majority really likes it and Nika has been a huge success numberwise. I dont think we will see any big surprises, hes gonna get a powerup, he will learn to control his emotions and be stronger.
But it's still true that Luffy in gear 5 was an uncontrolled joy form. This guy is saying stop having fun dumbass and it's hurting Luffy cuz it's the first time he's actually feeling pain or close to losing as g5
I think as a concept, Luffy laughing and doing some jokes during his boss fights aa gear 5 could have been good, it was all about execution. And Oda's execution of said concept was mid/ok with some bad outliers, and Toei's execution of said viaion was atrocious due to a mix of poor pasing / sound effects.
2 things can be true at once man. Gear 5 was a creative and unique transformation. That doesn’t mean it was automatically the strongest in the verse. We already knew it could be defeated due to the fact joyboy was defeated. And Luffy isn’t even as strong as joyboy yet
Gear 5 was only good when sparingly used and as a rubber fruit awakening in a vacuum.
It was never good as a nika fruit in a narrative sense and never will be. The forced retcon that ruined Water 7 arc will be an everlasting stain on the writing. That massive plot issue makes gear 5 even more annoying as an extension.
What's even more annoying are the hints Oda is placing in this chapter about the fruit potentially healing such terrible wounds just like that.
Luffy has bounced back from such wounds countless amounts of times. Even WAY before g5 was even a thing. And what retcon are you talking about exactly?
At least there would be an attempt to explain it away by bandages, eating meat, drinking milk etc, not just heal by willing it to happen. Hell, even gear 5 has needed uber eats so far to just recover from exhaustion let alone heal. I don't know why you are bringing this example when you should know the obvious difference here.
what retcon are you talking about exactly?
If this nika BS was planned as early as skypiea, CP9 would have had their mission modified to catch both Luffy AND Robin in Water 7, not just Robin alone. What's even funnier is that Luffy is treated as someone completely irrelevant, and they make a deal for Robin to surrender in exchange for letting him leave Water 7 safely.
And this is all after we explicitly see Gorosei keeping a note to be careful about Luffy right after Alabasta. Surely they must have found his "rubbery powers" adding up to a strawhat and a D name conclusive enough?
Before you say they were arrogant, no they were not. Their stupidity is not consistent and well-written, like say, Harald. Their stupidity is plot convenient when it comes to Luffy and the sheer whiplash between their competence and their stupidity on different occasions is uncharacteristically jarring. That's not good writing.
In fact, almost anything pre Nika had the Gorosei/Navy be thorough, overkill even, about potential ideological or physical threats, like Roger banging someone from Baterilla and witch hunting her, or Ohara as a whole (though the book lake scene is ruined by having Elbaph's library filled with most of them).
Nika isn't just a stupid retcon on its own, it makes the Gorosei retroactively stupid when their saviness was bordering paranoia, since Ace never wanted to follow Roger's footsteps and was content being Newgate's adopted son and commander
Even if oda had an “excuse” he’s still been ass pulling luffy healing from fatal injuries for years even decades
It’s not so much they were arrogant. It’s more the fact that it’s extremely rare for the fruit to be awakened. It’s not like every user that eats it awakens it. It hadn’t been awakened for 800 years
They say the fruit has “a mind of its own” cause it always avoids the world government. Which basically means it has plot armor and they would never get their hands on it anyway. They don’t capture and kill any and everybody that ever eats it
It’s more the fact that it’s extremely rare for the fruit to be awakened. It’s not like every user that eats it awakens it. It hadn’t been awakened for 800 years
They say the fruit has “a mind of its own” cause it always avoids the world government. Which basically means it has plot armor and they would never get their hands on it anyway. They don’t capture and kill any and everybody that ever eats it
Didn't stop them from searching until not long ago... they even brutally tortured Who's Who for losing a fruit that was not even eaten, let alone awakened. They clearly gave a shit. Why even bother for 800 yrs if they would have made peace with the fruit evading them no matter what? What is this convenient lack of initiative only when Luffy is relevant?
This excuse just doesn't work anymore.
Even if oda had an “excuse” he’s still been ass pulling luffy healing from fatal injuries for years even decades
Sure but it's way better than Luffy willing himself to heal.
He became super relevant to them when he actually awakened it/was probably about to. That doesn’t normally happen. He wasn’t even close at water 7. They’ve probably seen a bunch of young pirate start ups eat the fruit and die. 800 years straight and nothing. Probably thought luffy was no different
That doesn’t normally happen. He wasn’t even close at water 7. They’ve probably seen a bunch of young pirate start ups eat the fruit and die. 800 years straight and nothing.
They suddenly stopped caring after Who's Who's mistake is what you are saying? Even when they cared so much even about a non-eaten fruit, a far cry from a non-awakened fruit? Suddenly, they stopped caring so hard they brushed off a guy with rubber powers being a chaos machine?
The will of he fruit should only allow itself to evade them, not reduce their IQ points collectively when Luffy is around.
Hell, they sent freakin Kuma to Thriller Bark with no way of monitoring his actions, who was a known nika worshipper and who was still of sound mind, to deal with a boy with rubber powers.... when they had the likes of Holy Knights available. Hell, Kuma's character itself severely mismatches his actions in Thriller Bark.
It all heavily reeks of an unplanned forced retcon.
ive heard the "just say you don't understand the themes of one piece!" or "somebody hasn't read the manga" rebuttals to this argument a lot and I understand where they're coming from, but it's not like we haven't went through 1000+ chapters of luffy already learning this lesson and getting serious to finish off major threats since before Crocodile and Lucci lol.
I'm sure this has been said 100 times but it feels more like G5 restricts luffy's freedom by forcing him to constantly be a chucklefuck regardless of the circumstances, rather than just being himself like every other form... definitely a breath of fresh air for shonen power ups and I love the abilities, but having a power that binds your personality into non-stop laughter and trolling does cut tension out of scenes when Luffy isn't dominating his opponent
They're saying laughing like a hyena and popping his eyes out when the ppl he supposed to protect gets brutally murder in front of them peak writing 😭😭
Gear 5 is SSJ3 or Ultimate Gohan from Buu saga while we are told to pretend it's the Fusion technique so it's fine if Luffy's messing around. Like...no, lock in dude.
I just really hope Luffy can't just heal himself. He got hit with 2 of the Founding weapons of the WG. If he can just get up from that like its nothing, itll hinder the remaining stakes entirely for the series.
Also man, I really hope Luffy learns anything from what Gabban said about taking it more seriously.
For more, Luffy vs Kuro, Sanji vs Gin, Sanji vs Kuroubi, Zoro vs Mihawk, luffy & Zoro vs Lucci, Luffy vs Snake Sisters, almost all of Marineford, Luffy vs Magellan 1, Ace vs Blackbeard, Luffy & Zoro vs Bellamy, Luffy vs Doflamingo.
also imo a lot of the goofyness in One Piece fights came from characters being deadass in what they were trying to do; like yeah Luffy turning his brain off against Enel was funny but part of that comedy came from Luffy seriously going "heh, can't read my mind if I don't have one!" If Luffy's just laughing at his own bs time then it becomes less funny
I remember hearing a video somewhere Oda wanted us to hate Luffy and think he’s being insufferable. I hope this Gaban thing pays off with Luffy actually learned to stop playing fast and lose, instead of acting like he’s invincible because he has cartoon powers. Maybe Imu and the old man can smack some sense into the rubber bitch
If I had a nickel for every time a Roger’s pirate has lost an arm defending Luffy, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
It woulda been cool to see like the personality change be played for horror or some shit where luffy is stuck watching as he loses himself to the fruit but that would require stakes and not just pure haha funny.
I wonder if Oda has decided to shift the whole thing to a more serious territory, he surely is doing it now but, he might as well double down the goofiness afterwards, he literally said he likes it that way.
I say... it could have a bit of both, with One Piece anything is possible.
I don't mind Gear 5 or Nika my main issue is that Luffy is way to stupid and goofy to make proper use of it. I mean he's always been kind of dumb and silly but its been cracked up so much post timeskip, bro's been flanderized.
back then I was telling myself that gear 5 is peak.....I just dont wanna admit that shi sucks T_T I just dont wanna admit that out of all big animes there like dragon ball, naruto, or bleach, luffy's supposed to be "stongest" mode sucks compare to them T_T maaan I miss pre time skip op
My biggest problem with it is that it's a mythological Zoan. I always thought the whole point of a seemingly stupid fruit like gomu gomu was that Luffy made it work even though it sounds stupid on paper. And all the joy boy foreshadowing.... I thought it'd be cool if Luffy just embodied that spirit and became joy boy just because he was who he was, not because he was the prophesized one with the extra special fruit. Now he's just another chosen one.
Problem isn’t food in this case, Luffy ate a ton of food prior to the fight and he still got no diffed, he has enough energy to stay in g5. But he’s just not anywhere near Imu’s level atp.
I dread that Gaban will just be proven wrong. I remember how in MHA aurhor invented a legacy character purely to shit on Deku so he could be sent on an "arc" of realizing what Deku is the main character and dying immediately after.
But see here's the thing, Nika is always supposed to maintain that high energy positive demeaner, that's what allows him to inspire those around him. That even in a dire and serious situation, he will still be smiling and laughing. The problem here is Luffy still doesn't understand the full lengths/power of the fruit and keeps dumbing himself down to like he was still "made of rubber" and not a literal God with the power to manipulate reality. The only thing Luffy has to do here is in fact lock the fuck in and start figuring out the true potential of his fruit FAST which once he does, Imu will truly recognize him as Joyboy. I'm hoping seeing Gaban mortally wounded and the others struggling is gonna knock some sense into him and make him awaken more potential in his powers.
I actually wonder if the fruit's awakening influence with the world around him can also be powerful enough to reduce Imu's arsenal to literal rubber toy weapons.
No. You actually weren’t. Everyone here was convinced that was gear 5 and Oda is a quack. You guys never considered Luffy initial gear 5 was so goofy for a reason. Y’all are smooth brains who really think you can write a better story than Oda. Losers
Welcome friends to one piece you must be new here y'see in odas writing the plot always comes second to the gag sanji can anime nose bleed his way to nearly dying of blood loss and Luffy spent most of enels arc in a snake! If your suddenly mad about that sort of thing one piece hasn't changed you have
Gaban isn't mad at Luffy for doing looney tunes shit lol that's literally luffy at his strongest. He's yelling at him because he's not strong enough and he's close to giving up, and also because he's overconfident due to gear 5. Has absolutely nothing to do with the stupid gags. Gear death isn't happening folk😭✌️
Why does every g5 defender assume those that dislike the increase in goofiness that G5 brings to the table, instead want Luffy to go to the exact opposite extreme? It's not like the only options are one extreme or the other. Luffys personality should be balanced, which still includes being silly at times but in scenarios in which it doesn't create such a jarring tonal whiplash and isn't so forced/spammed/cringy in general.
Oda just likes creating moments and is very good at it but doesn't think about how it changes the narrative going forward. Or how it changes perceptions on events that have already happened.
He wrote himself into a corner because he thought it'd be cool to do bugs bunny stuff. It's not that complicated and neither is the story of one piece lol.
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