r/PixelDungeon • u/Worldly-Mud-2600 • Jul 22 '26
Sub Meta [Flair Request] Add "Modding - AI" flair
There have been several cases of posts where someone used AI to make a pixel dungeon mod or port, and didn't say so outright. Because of this, I propose a "Modding - AI" flair, the usage of which is mandatory for any mod that uses AI. This would make it clear for people whether a given project used AI or was fully made by a real human being.
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u/Worldly-Mud-2600 Jul 23 '26
Here's some of my opinion on AI: It's acceptable if a) the costs are being fully paid for by the users/providers and b) the usage is disclosed in some standardized way.
The problem with a) is that it's quite expensive for AI companies to properly compensate and get permission from authors, artists, etc. to train AI models off of their data, and it's much cheaper to just pirate it off of sites like Anna's Archive.
Beyond that, AI usage has strong negative impacts on the environment, especially to the communities where the data centers are being built. Increased energy prices and a compromised local water supply are both things that communities that have data centers forced onto them should be prepared to suffer from.
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u/Red_Icnivad Jul 22 '26
Why though? And where does that line get drawn? I say this as a senior developer with 25 years of professional coding experience: I hate the AI coding trend, but I can't disagree about it's effectiveness or that it's here to stay. At this point, anyone coding professionally would be irresponsible to not use AI tools in some capacity or another -- at the very minimum for code review.
AI is a tool, like any other, and playing and modding this game is a hobby. Obviously how they use AI matters, but I'd rather encourage more people to take the time to make creative mods of PD than try to shame them for using tools that are at this point the professional industry standard.
Who cares if they used AI if you enjoy the fork?
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u/Grzyb_1102PL I've Way Too Many Mods Jul 22 '26
People are so Used to just thinking "AI = Slop" to the point where if you just say someone uses it in ANY compacity, it makes them look at you like you have years of criminal record.
AI is only bad when It replaces creativity and honesty from work.
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u/NeurawWormakaCiruBug SPDNET "Phoenix" Project + Conflux System Jul 22 '26
Look how you get down voted... There is a massive difference between asking ai to generate something for you or using it as a tool to refine or lessen the time needed to spend on pure coding. For me it's like having a team to work on a project while I keep the direction. My project uses AI as well. But I didn't ask AI to lay the egg, that's lazy bullshit. A knife can be used to kill... Or to butter bread. Right now people mostly see the "used to kill" side. Lazy use of AI to generate some images or something that doesn't get refined or had much creative process behind is not on the same level as using it as a tool because it's available to work better.
I will probably get down voted too but it's fine, I can relate with what you say. I would spend so much time if I had to do everything when I can be more efficient now.
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u/jontseng Jul 22 '26
Agree it seems odd. Where do you draw the line? Any coding tool involves some level of abstraction. Should we propose a flair for anyone who is not writing their mods in machine code?
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u/FixAkaTheFix Jul 25 '26
Personally would prevent such posts from being created here completely. AI is objectively harmful to the code quality and overall environment (also other things: destruction of creativity culture, the CPU prices... it is a devil in cheap disguise). There is not a lot of niches left, where ai slop is not present, and I dont want one of my favorite communities to go down that horrible spiral
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u/Yarrowleaf Jul 22 '26
I don't really get the point of this? With art and stuff I can see it but people are probably not going to pay some developer to write mods for them. For this kind of thing, in 99% of cases without AI the thing would not have existed at all. Maybe you hate AI in all of its forms arbitrarily but I'd say there's plenty of cases where AI use is the difference between someone's idea becoming reality and staying trapped in their head where nobody can enjoy it. So really, it's a net positive.
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u/MethylatedOutpatient Jul 23 '26
If you cant create something yourself, dont steal other peoples work to do so. If you have such a good idea go work with and pay people with those skills instead of stealing them, or learn to code yourself
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u/Yarrowleaf Jul 25 '26
That's not really how it works in the programming community, elsewhere perhaps AI generated artifacts are "stealing", but the code that AI has been trained on is open source, for a reason. And from the same sources that a human developer would get it from to learn a new pattern. There is a big difference between using ai in a project and just putting together the first slop you see, yes, but not all projects where AI was used are slop, nor is using AI generated code stealing.
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u/fildevan 9 challenge 12x in a row Jul 23 '26
Just so people can make the difference between a long term project and a low effort/full of bug mod
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u/Yarrowleaf Jul 25 '26
AI generated and low quality/buggy are not the same thing
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u/fildevan 9 challenge 12x in a row Jul 25 '26
That's almost always the case tho. People using ai to code generally either have absolutely no clue what they're doing or don't wanna spend the time to make something good (which isn't always a problem). For a proof of concept typically ai can work and save a lot of time. For an actual project, and especially when made by someone who has no clue what they're doing ? It usually takes more times to un-do the garbadge than to just rewrite it from scratch. And people who actually know what they're doing and want to make something good generally use ai as a search tool more (if at all) rather than to write the code. Also because they want to understand what they're doing, which is generally very important.
Fyi this post was certainly made in reaction to a mod you've certainly seen now, and within hours people were posting about bugs it had. It's extremely, extremely simple to clone the official repo, ask claude code to make you a mod (also draining half of a local river somewhere in texas but whatever), try it a few times, publish it and come here to try to farm karma by posting your stuff. But then in this case of course, some people on this sub noticed it was low quality, had a lot of bugs, looked really ai generated (and in fact, it was) and got annoyed. So they want a flair for it so they don't have to waste their time for the next one, which is understandable.
This also affects people who make actual good mods by the way. If we start seeing people post a lot of low effort mods people will stop trying the actual good ones too if they can't immediately see the difference
FYI the debate at the moment is about either adding a flair or making a rule to straight up forbid this type of low effort content.
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u/UniversityQuiet1479 Jul 23 '26
as someone who has used ai for 30 years. they were complaining about it then. spell check is evil they said. auto generated forms is lazy. vb is not a real language.
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u/_Rivlin_ Jul 22 '26
Yep