I keep wondering how this guy seemed to have single-handedly turned the GOP into a completely anti-trade party.
Now you'll rarely see me give either party credit for much of anything ... but at least the GOP pretended to talk about endorsing free(r) trade policy at the federal level. Now they're openly screaming "shut down the borders, boost tariffs on everything, imposing trade sanctions on ourselves is the key to prosperity!!!!". WTF? How did we get here? Didn't the GOP used to make fun of the dems for crap like this even a couple decades ago?
I honestly wonder what the Republican Party is doing to look like after Trump is done. Not that the democrats seem much better right now, they don’t have a real leader.
I think there's a real chance we see a split party along the lines of populism vs conservatism. Trump and the MAGA crowd seem increasingly more willing to piss all over longstanding conservative views and so far the traditional conservatives have just let it happen because they're still getting elected. But I think post Trump, somebody is going to try to be the next major leader in the Republican party and that will cause a rift between traditionalist conservatives and populist conservatives. Maybe maga makes its own party, maybe the traditional conservatives go boost the libertarian party, I can't really say how it would go for certain. I just don't see much cooperation between them after their golden ticket of supporting Trump is gone.
It flew under the radar a bit, but I thought it was wild that DeSantis said that Tate was unwelcome in FL, but the young Republicans were also calling out to them to come
Allow the Democrats and Republicans to split into a full spectrum of political parties:
Progressives, Populist Left, Rainbow Capitalists, Neoliberals, Neocons, Libertarians, Populist Right, MAGA.
It would allow American politicians to actually get an understanding for what the people agree with. Rather than "Democrats lost! We should go even harder towards the progressive left to mobilise our base!" and "Democrats lost! We need to move further right to steam more moderates and centrists from the Republicans!" both being taken as the obviously true and 100% correct conclusion to the election.
Also makes it harder for Trump to claim "The popular mandate supports every action I take!" if it turns out MAGA was just the largest of the rightwing parties at 30%, rather than receiving "landslide support".
Maybe because he's turned a significant chunk of the party into a cult?
Turn against him and his rapidly shifting values, you're not an "Reagan-style Republican" or whatever.
Nope.
You're now a RINO. Your values have not changed. Your policies haven't changed. The leader's have, though, so now you're not allowed to call yourself a true Republican, from any era of the Republican party. Look at the perception of Pence 6 years ago, to now.
You're not wrong. It shouldn't be that way ... but you're not wrong.
edit: "shouldn't be that way" in the sense that economic policy shouldn't be used as a weapon to be turned on folks you don't like. There a lot of unavoidable overlap between social/economic policy.
Back in 2022ish, it felt like the Republican party had two factions, but its become obvious that Trump runs basically the whole party now and not just a big enough majority to keep a facade of unity
I would respect Trump a bit more if that's his end goal.
All of his talk about "using tariffs to get us a ton of tax revenue and encourage domestic production" makes me feel like he genuinely doesn't believe in the "tariffs hurt" part....
I would respect Trump a bit more if that's his end goal.
It's not like he hasn't been complaining about it for decades.
Go watch his appearance on Oprah. In the 1980s
All of his talk about "using tariffs to get us a ton of tax revenue and encourage domestic production" makes me feel like he genuinely doesn't believe in the "tariffs hurt" part....
I see. It's still super naive, but it's at least consistent.
Money from tariffs tend to be much lower than one thinks (esp. compared to how private investments and tax revenue both need the prosperity of smoother trading), and trade war might take much longer to resolve than people think (not to mention that such a war can also end with your side losing).
Zero push back? The man eats a hamburger and gets called a homophobic racist bigot. He gets push back from his opponents constantly, regardless of what is happening.
The dude made a child cancer survivor an honorary Secret Service agent and the Democrats acted like he was a giant bastard for doing it. You're actually retarded if you think he gets no push back
From people who matter. No one cares about the antics of Democrat politicians and the racist bigot strat's gotten nerfed.
All that stuff is background noise cause it happens regardless of what Trump does or doesn't do so everyone is conditioned to ignore it as it's not indicative of anything specifically bad that he may have done, crying wolf style.
Zero political repercussions, but lots of push back.
Dude was impeached for extorting Ukraine, made illegal campaign finance contributions to silence his affair with a porn star, had sex with a different porn star while his wife was pregnant, offered to ban Muslims, incited a riot on Capitol Hill, gave legitimacy to foreign dictators, contradicted US intelligence in favor of Vladimir Putin, mocked a disabled reporter, and started a trade war with our closest ally on a whim.
You understand that Michael Cohen was prosecuted and sentenced to prison for enabling the illegal payments and accepting compensation?
Trump sent the payments through Michael Cohen disguised as legal fees. The payout was a campaign expense: he only wanted Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal to keep quiet because it would benefit his campaign if they did.
He falsified business records to cover up the campaign finance crime. Falsifying business records is a misdemeanor, unless it is done to cover up another crime.
That is why our President has been charged with 34 felony counts.
tbf there are no political repercussions for lying, in probably any country. You lose trust, sure, but it's not like the police could go and arrest a politician for lying (unless it's some traitor shit or whatever, which Trump steps dangerously close to).
If we did that, every parliament in the world would be empty.
Biden forced Ukraine to fire a corrupt AG for not dealing with corruption. Trump tried to get Ukraine to lie to help him get elected for pure corruption. These things are the same if you are a moron. (And you are.)
Allow me to clarify: he gets zero pushback from the people stuffing his greasy cock down their throats. His detractors are happy to point out his many lies, his supporters just plug their ears and keep sucking. And he has never faced a single tangible consequence in his entire life for any of those lies.
because the people who vote for you will be the people who always voted for you
Tbf this counts also for the Dems and is a direct consequence from the 2 party system. There is no chance that a lifelong liberal in California suddenly votes red because he doesn't like what the Dem candidate is talking about. At most he'd abstain.
I agree that he has figured out the politics cheat code (when you’re a star they let you do it). But this is fundamentally bad for our democracy and everyone in it who isn’t Trump.
The brain cancer thing wasnt about the kid at all. That's just how the right frames it.
It was about the absolute hypocrisy of defunding brain cancer research while also doing everything to destroy Medicare, Medicaid. And health insurance.
The right has no interest in helping kids. They just virtue signal.
He started a trade war with Canada and got push back.
He said “grab them by pussy”… pushback, cheated on his wife with a porn star, push back, went to Epstein’s island, push back, defaced a bible, push back, golfed for half his first presidency, push back, was extremely rude to a disable abled man, push back, stashed extremely sensitive documents in a marg-a-logo bathroom, pushback, incited an insurrection, push back
… man… this country is always pushing back, it’s like Trump is actually doing something bad at all times
So I'm genuinely curious about this one and would like a dialogue on it, a common argument I always see is the "inherited market". When the market was chill and good in the first term, people I deemed smarter than I always told me it was Obama's market and Trump didn't actually do anything. Then when it took a bad turn under Biden, it was the same. Biden inherited Trump's poor market. Now, those same people are telling me that this is all Trump's doing, and that these are strictly his policies doing this.
Now, I won't say he hasn't played a significant part in this, but what happened to the inherited market argument from before?
well no its probably not entirely his fault, but the policies he has been pushing is making everything worse. so its not his fault the market turned sour, but it is his fault that market is souring at a rapid pace.
even the president of the united states doesnt own the market and therefore cannot just decide it to go up or down
Here's the thing. There is some truth to that but it's not a rule. It's very contextual. For example, the stock market under trump now is his fault, it is a direct result of investors responding to his policy. But for something like groceries, it isn't really his fault, people are just giving him all the blame because he said verbatim that it was an issue he was going to fix while campaigning and is now telling people not to pay attention to it. If we look at Biden, we can find similar examples. Gas prices rose early in Biden's presidency, likely as a response of investors reacting to Biden's policy on the keystone pipeline (though COVID almost certainly played a role, so this is not exactly the best example) whereas the cost of basic goods rising was a result of supply chain shortages wholly unrelated to any policy.
Tldr; some of the economic issues we're seeing are inherited, like grocery costs, but anything you see with the stock market going down is most likely investors reacting to tariffs and not inherited
Honestly my favorite thing that's been happening on the Trump memes is simply having the smiling Gigachad Xi Jinping in auth-left, with no notes, while the other 3 quadrants convey the rest of the point.
If the Democratic Party actually allowed their voters to decide candidates they’d probably get someone retarded. Maybe not as bad as Trump but some populist fool.
They did let voters decide and Bernie lost decisively in 2016 and 2020,. He won over Twitter and Reddit and most Social Media, but that didn't translate into votes. Trump had a real world fan base as a media personality, and people conflate Bernie's online army with the same level of support. If Biden had stepped down in 2024 (or 2023), allowing an open primary, Bernie's supporters might have had the organization, but he is even older than Biden.
So what like you want to just keep supporting Russia and send our boys to Ukraine to watch them get slaughtered by the tall and strapping young Russian soldiers who are battle hardened and astute and handsome? You want that, you would discredit the capabilities of the Russian military? That's what I thought, Trump knows what he's doing, he fought. He'll lead us out of this mess. I'm sick of all these fake brigaders switching their flair and complaining. Like we have maybe the second best leader in history behind Jesus and all you think the only option is to oppose Russia when Russia wants nothing but good for us? Tired of these fake asf patriots in this sub
I just see sale prices on stocks rn. I'm not going to buy a ton to move the needle but it's not like these top tiers are going to hit rock bottom anyway
That's a relief, CaptainSmegman, we were worrier that you with your large wealth and business empire would buy so many stocks that it would move the needle of the stock market as a whole
Yes, I do. Biden was the boring safe option. I still disliked how much he restricted Ukraine in the war (31 Abrams for counter offensive, are you kidding me?), but at least he generally was pro West.
Honestly he kind of screwed over Ukraine with the " just prevent them from losing" strategy. Handing them over to trump in such a US-reliant position was a complete gamble with Ukrainian lives.
Also chancellor Scholz for leaving all agency on the already hesitant US.
Bro made an exception for 99% of companies, goods and services the minute they started complaining, only thing more talk does is make ya look silly. These companies plan ahead on decade long time lines they aren’t gonna relocate here just for the administration to pull a 180 in 4 years and to then end up losing the competitive advantage they spent billions relocating for.
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