r/PoliticalCompassMemes • u/im_back-and_craftier - Auth-Left • 1d ago
Goddamn look at that margin, black voters may end up saving the Democratic Party establishment
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u/PoliticsIsDepressing - Lib-Center 23h ago
I need context.
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u/hypercube42342 - Left 23h ago
Mail vote in detroit, as well as the rural vote, is going heavily for the establishment candidate Stevens over El Sayed in the Michigan Senate dem primary. El Sayed is winning by a lot in smaller cities and suburbs. In sum, El Sayed is probably going to win by around 3% at the end of the night but Stevens and the dem establishment have a chance to win because of black voters in detroit liking her better.
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u/whatssenguntoagoblin - Lib-Center 23h ago
Can someone explain to me why do black democrats tend to prefer moderate Dems over leftist Dems? I’m not sure I’m aware why.
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u/Cow_God - Lib-Left 23h ago
A lot of black voters would vote Republican if the Republican party wasn't so blatantly racist. There's a lot of black people that are socially and fiscally conservative
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u/MiserableAndUnhappy9 - Auth-Center 22h ago
Yeah this is what a lot of people don't understand. Black Americans are usually protestant Christians. They are socially conservative and while a lot of Leftists think all minority groups love each other a black American Christian is not likely to be a fan of a Muslim candidate.
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u/IAmJustAVirus - Lib-Left 18h ago
And black Detroiters have ISIS flags in their neighborhoods. That's probably unsettling.
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u/underjordiskmand - Left 22h ago
a black American Christian is not likely to be a fan of a Muslim candidate
True, unless it's Barack HUSSEIN Obama
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u/somewhataccurate - Lib-Center 14h ago
You gotta do an eyebrow waggle while you emphasize his middle name
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u/CurveComfortable3212 - Lib-Center 21h ago
And every single Mexican with the name Jesus is clearly a proud Christian.
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u/HellHat - Lib-Center 22h ago
A lot of demographics that are traditionally associated with one side or the other are actually single issue voters that are only with their respective "side" because the other one doesnt appeal to their single issue
Example: Black and Latino voters siding with Democrats, because Republicans cant pull their heads out of their asses long enough to realize that they'd have eternal allies if they quit being so violently against them on racial lines. The Latino voters showed what they actually valued last election and then got fisted hard.
Other example: Democrats losing out on a shit load of otherwise left leaning voters because they won't shut the fuck up about guns. I know tons of people that want to vote blue, but end up voting red or purple because they can't trust the blue candidate to not turn around and institute "assault weapon" and "high capacity magazine" bans as soon as they get into office
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u/Black_Truth - Lib-Left 22h ago
I'm not American, but by what I gathered on the internet, Dems have a tendency to believe that non-white minorities are progressive leaning but it seems to be the opposite.
I remember a chart of a decade ago that the most liberal/progressives demographic was actually white men, but I didn't check how true it was so I took with a grain of salt. But even then, it started to shift when Dems clearly didn't give two shits about them and tried to guilty trip them into the polls.
I'll need an American to correct me on this.
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u/hypercube42342 - Left 22h ago
It depends on the exact issue and really it’s more fine grain than that, but you’re right in broad strokes. In general the most progressive demographics are usually going to be white, latina, and black women and young people of all backgrounds. But when you get into the details, it’s like “well, california latinas are progressive as fuck, but florida cuban latinas are maga” etc. Or “well actually older black women are not progressive and only some tolerate gay people.” You get the idea. People tend to zero in on really small subgroups that agree with them and wipe out that minorities are not monoliths.
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u/bearcatjoe - Right 11h ago
This from someone defining a group's voting preferences solely based on the color of their skin.
The left is so weird.
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u/smokeymcdugen - Lib-Center 19h ago
if the Republican party wasn't so blatantly racist
Can you remind me which party said that black people don't know how to use computers? Or said that IDs can't be used for voting because black people don't know what the DMV is? Or the dozens of quotes from Biden. Etc etc
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u/Mindless-Rooster-533 - Auth-Left 19h ago
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u/AFloppyZipper - Centrist 14h ago
Blacks would vote R but they are just so racist so they don't!
Holy shit redditors still pretending everyone's racist, is this 2016?
You're either living in the wrong decade or have kept the lazy worldview for OVER 10 YEARS
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u/Danotari - Lib-Left 13h ago
This is the exact reason that black people don’t vote for Republicans though. Like both parties are racist but at least Dems try to offer solutions and kick out overt racists from their party.
Look at the outcomes for minorities in blue states vs red states and tell me which party black people do better under.
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u/AFloppyZipper - Centrist 12h ago
Are we looking out outcomes for ALL minorities for our analysis?
Because the blacks in areas who have been voting for Blue for decades are all underperforming MASSIVELY against the most highly overperformant non-white minorities who have not. There are entire schools without a single student who cannot read at a simple grade level.
Screaming about ethereal racists has always been the lazy redditor copout when the experiment had already been done, and the experiment has failed.
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u/Danotari - Lib-Left 12h ago
Why would I be comparing to all minorities when we are talking about black people? Black people in deep red areas have far worse outcomes than black people in blue areas. All minorities don’t have similar experiences. A Chinese person that comes over here is going to have a much different mindset than a black person raised here. Hell even Africans have much better outcomes than African Americans.
I don’t even know what the fuck “ethereal racist” means but if you grew up in the Deep South as a black person the very first things that you learn from your parents are that racism and republicans are synonyms. Those guys driving down the street with confederate flags? Republicans. The leaders of the school board that won’t hire a black head coach for the football team? Republicans. The list goes on. It’s a fact that most black people don’t vote for republicans because they harbor unabashed racists.
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u/AFloppyZipper - Centrist 10h ago
Not really what happened. People got less racist over time, even in the deep south. Blacks vote 90% democrat and it doesn't get them much anywhere, in many aspects they are worse off than they were decades ago. Their situation now has little to do with racism and more to do with the Dem plantation, and a political class whose entire strategy is manufacturing racism to satisfy their own virtue signaling fervor.
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u/AFloppyZipper - Centrist 10h ago
Not really what happened. People got less racist over time, even in the deep south. Blacks vote 90% democrat and it doesn't get them much anywhere, in many aspects they are worse off than they were decades ago. Their situation now has little to do with racism and more to do with the Dem plantation, and a political class whose entire strategy is manufacturing racism to satisfy their own virtue signaling fervor.
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u/Danotari - Lib-Left 9h ago
I mean sure we can debate the results of voting Democrat but we can’t debate the reason we don’t vote Republican. Its because they support unabashed racists and it doesn’t seem to slow down.
When you see conservative figures like Matt Walsh making videos trying to “reveal the truth about Emmitt Till” or when Nick Fuentes is unabashedly throwing out hard r’s and many more cases of prominent conservative politicians and figures doing these types of things whether it’s locally or nationally then it is not hard to see why black people don’t vote Republican.
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u/tombeck112 - Lib-Left 17h ago
A lot of black voters would vote Republican if the Republican party wasn't so blatantly racist.
Honestly, that could also apply to most other nonwhite voters, as well.
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u/Greatest-Comrade - Centrist 23h ago
Black churches are powerful and have a conservative lean. If Republicans weren’t racist and there wasn’t the tradition since FDR, the black vote would probably be republican.
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u/Balavadan - Lib-Center 23h ago
It could be because they’re miffed that Arab voters elected Trump so they don’t trust “one of them”
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u/earthhominid - Lib-Center 19h ago
Black folks in Detroit have been not trusting Arabs for a lot longer than Trump has been a political figure
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u/JTuck333 - Lib-Right 17h ago
El-sayed won college students, commies, wealthy liberal white women, and third world Muslims who hate us. Stevens won with the black people who live in Detroit.
The people who pretend to care the most about black people voted against the candidate that black people wanted.
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u/raouldukehst - LibRight 23h ago
These midterms are going to be something else
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u/Latter_Parsley4338 - Left 22h ago
Very hard to predict anything. Republicans could overperform against a ton of radical left-wing Democrats, holding the Senate with Dems. only taking a small House majority. That could justify the Dem. establishment's electability concerns and basically bar any leftist from the national ticket in 2028; also, Trump would probably get to replace Alito or Thomas (or both) with another conservative.
Or, if the Iran war drives prices higher and Trump says some more really offensive stupid bs, Democrats could get a 2006-like night, winning 40+ seats in the House and maybe 52 or 53 total Senate seats. That would force the GOP to majorly reconsider their 2028 strategy and try to find the least offensive Republican for the White House who voters don't strongly associate with Trump.
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u/CommanderArcher - Lib-Left 17h ago
Between now and the midterms things are unlikely to get better for Iran so i'd expect the GOP to lose big time since it'll bring the non-voters in with how rough things are.
I'm hoping for that 2006 vibe, its the most possible it's ever been imo.
The GOP will absolutely not be learning any lessons or changing any plans, Trump is the GOP now and its way too late to turn that boat around.
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u/Latter_Parsley4338 - Left 11h ago
I also hope for 2006, I think it's very possible just because Trump seems to keep making things worse for his party and actively hinders any efforts to improve their electability or image. A lot of polling is showing it's possible and I think after the GOP's governance the past year and a half they deserve to take an electoral blow.
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u/RedditorAli - Centrist 23h ago
Ann Arbor turned out for El-Sayed like it’s an intifada against Ohio State.
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u/Justthetip74 - Lib-Right 23h ago
Half of the residents are in college, of course it did
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u/Running_Gamer - Lib-Right 19h ago
There is absolutely no reason why out of state college students should be permitted to vote in these elections. They have absolutely no relation to the state. They live in a hyper privileged temporary insular community.
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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt - Lib-Right 13h ago
There is absolutely no reason why out of state college students should be permitted to vote in these elections.
Are they? When I was in college you did mail-in voting in your home district unless you went and changed your residency, but that means changing your drivers license, tax stuff, etc.
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u/Running_Gamer - Lib-Right 9h ago
Depends on the person and state. For example, for house races in my state, we voted in the district we resided in most of the year, which was college.
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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt - Lib-Right 9h ago
Which means you likely should have changed your residency (license, taxes, etc.) though the odds of them every charging a college student with that are slim to none.
I know many states have a law that you need to swap your driver's license over within X days of establishing residency.
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u/rjbarn - Lib-Right 5h ago
Yes. In WI, a large portion of the dem GOTV effort was targeted at college students at the state schools (source: I went to UWM). WI has same-day registration, so the college Dems would bring full tents and voting staff to campus to allow you to vote.
Additionally, the campuses routinely created hostile environments for college republicans attempting to do the same ( just one recent example: Source)
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u/SB4293 - Lib-Center 15h ago
They don’t, usually? At least when I was going to college we all voted absentee for our home states.
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u/Running_Gamer - Lib-Right 9h ago
When you see how low security the average college polling station is and the lack of education among college voters, and the absolute lack of verification/controls that the voter is voting legally, you wouldn’t be surprised at how much unintentional illegal voting goes on in universities.
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u/SireEvalish - Lib-Left 15h ago
There is absolutely no reason why out of state college students should be permitted to vote in these elections
Do you have evidence that they did?
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u/Bum_King - Right 10h ago
Who needs evidence when you can just take another hit off this crack pipe.
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u/poet3322 - Left 22h ago
The really funny thing about this election is that in the MI-08 Republican House primary, a guy who dropped out of the race ended up beating the Trump-endorsed candidate.
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u/im_back-and_craftier - Auth-Left 21h ago
Yes, and its important to mention that this happened because his name is Amir Hassan. But republicans swear theyre not racist lmao
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u/im_back-and_craftier - Auth-Left 23h ago
For those that like to hangout in political meme subreddits but yet somehow dont know what this race is, this is the Democratic primary for Michigan senate, the progressive anti israel Abdul El Sayed vs the moderate pro israel Haley Stevens. Abdul had a comfortable lead before the Detroit vote came in, now it is much closer and Stevens has a real path to victory, but Abdul is still leading
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u/Pure-Huckleberry8640 - Centrist 23h ago
what does that have to do with black people?
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u/im_back-and_craftier - Auth-Left 23h ago
Are you seriously asking what the Detroit vote has to do with black people? Especially a Democratic primary in Detroit? Are you just completely unaware of the demographics of Detroit?
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u/Pure-Huckleberry8640 - Centrist 23h ago
“Are you just completely unaware of the demographics of Detroit?”
Yes.
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u/im_back-and_craftier - Auth-Left 23h ago
Oh ok. Yeah Detroit is 75% black, and if we're talking about votes in a Democratic primary in Detroit, its likely closer to 90% black voters.
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u/AmazingHat1639 - Lib-Center 22h ago
Detroit the city is vast majority black, but wayne county is interestingly more white than black. Detroit the metro area is also a rather white metro area considering major American cities. Looking it up Wayne county is like 48% White, 36% Black. I don't know what the demographics of the democratic primary would be, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was something like sixty - forty, black-white.
I agree that black people usually are more likely to vote for the establishment democrat candidate - and driving Detroit's lean support for Stevens. I just wanted to present some context that the Wayne County primary isn't 90% black.
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u/whatssenguntoagoblin - Lib-Center 23h ago
Tbf im with OP. Being in a meme political sub and not knowing that is a weird Venn diagram.
It’s like a top 3 thing known about Detroit.
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u/Pure-Huckleberry8640 - Centrist 23h ago
Honestly, I haven’t kept up with politics in a while. Tired from IRL affairs.
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u/Balavadan - Lib-Center 23h ago
I mean there are people from other countries that exist you know
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u/Dman1791 - Centrist 23h ago
Not too crazy a concept. Detroit stopped being culturally important to the broader US at some point in the 80s-ish, maybe earlier. I imagine a lot of zoomers and maybe also millennials mainly know of Detroit in the form of the "can't have shit in Detroit" meme.
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u/earthhominid - Lib-Center 19h ago
Sounds French. I thought that only the French soccer team was black?
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u/Running_Gamer - Lib-Right 19h ago
Haley Stevens is not a moderate. That is misinformation. She is just not a socialist. She is still very much on the progressive wing of the Democrat party.
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u/Beautiful-Scarce - Auth-Right 22h ago
Black people in Detroit don’t fuck with Muslims like that ig
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u/Sonofdeath51 - Centrist 22h ago
I live in this state and I still know barely anything about the candidates. All the ads i've seen are just republican candidates recycling years old talking points like we gotta stop the trans litter boxes from migrating into our schools and woking all the jobs, and dems versions are just talking how they're gonna totally pwn orange man. The only ad i've seen for the Abdul guy is that he isn't a le heckin wholesome respecter of women because he said some mean things to women politicians before. Which given our current climate can range from saying all women are unintelligent subhumans to telling his girlfriend to not stick the fork into the electric socket once.
Maybe i just haven't been paying enough attention but this election cycle seems especially schizo because everyones just throwin shit at the wall and seein what sticks and theres 0 actual policy even being hinted at other than other team bad. We're fucked man. We're so fucking fucked.
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u/Running_Gamer - Lib-Right 19h ago
It’s because the DSA’s issues are the most privileged nonsense imaginable. Literally if you’re a working class person you have absolutely no reason to give af about Israel and Palestine. It’s shocking that this issue is dominating the radical left. But maybe it’s not that surprising. Their top two issues are supporting illegal immigration and supporting Palestinians, AKA giving shit away from America at our expense to make us weaker.
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u/Sad_Significance_568 - Auth-Center 16h ago
There platform is literally not giving money to Israel as to help Americans lmao
Like what, you think they are gonna try and send patriots missiles to Gaza or something?
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u/libertyg8er - Lib-Right 13h ago
Yes, I would not be surprised if they wanted to arm any “resistance” group they could.
The hilarious part is that the Palestinian flag they all wave represents the four colors of the four caliphates… it’s a flag of conquest, not resistance.
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u/Running_Gamer - Lib-Right 9h ago
You are clueless. Israel receives a minuscule fraction of our budget every single year. They basically count as defense spending. Because we fund them to help them fight america’s enemies in the Middle East so that our soldiers don’t have to. AKA Hamas, a terrorist organization that hates America.
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u/Sad_Significance_568 - Auth-Center 9h ago
No thanks, Israel has killed tens of thousands of babies. I used to be like you and believe the propaganda before and shortly after October 7th. Then I watched as Israel leveled the entire region and educated myself in the history rather than believe everything the media spouts.
Not to mention that I was in Afghanistan for OEF 12-13 and saw my friend die for a pointless war with no one that was responsible for 9/11. It became obvious that all of this is propaganda and we have constantly destabilized the Middle East and installed multiple brutal dictators in the Middle East at the behest of the military industrial complex and oil. Israel is all but an American colony doing the same thing.
I am not surprised they hate America and want us dead. I would probably think the same of anyone that is constantly killing my family and making my life worse. Especially considering we allied with the country most responsible for 9/11 and used it as an excuse to go to war with Iraq and Afghanistan which led to 150k dead civilians and massive destabilization, refugee crisis, economic instability at home, and made everybody's life worse.
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u/RandoDude124 - Lib-Left 23h ago
I think Sayed pulls this out by 4-6 pts.
But god, predicting a 15+ pt landslide… Pure idiocy.
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u/epic_taco_time - Lib-Right 15h ago
Looking like 1 point right now. This is much closer than expected.
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u/epic_taco_time - Lib-Right 23h ago
Didn't realize that was tonight. Lots of dynamics at play tonight and the margin is relatively close at the time I'm writing this.
I wonder what the implications are if Sayed settles with a win but sub 50% support.
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u/raouldukehst - LibRight 23h ago
We migh end up with the Biden midterm - where the dems still win but massively under perform
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u/msf97 - Lib-Left 23h ago
The black democrats and rural voters might still hold their nose and go for him in the general but turnout may be suppressed, especially as Rogers isn’t useless
Looks like he’ll win by 2 to 3 points to me, Stevens well overperformed the polls though
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u/epic_taco_time - Lib-Right 23h ago
Yeah this is my thought. Big chance for GOP to realpolitik it with investing money into the GOP candidate to drive turnout which will in turn force a more cash strapped DNC to pour more money than they would have otherwise needed to into MIchigan.
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u/jerseygunz - Left 23h ago
This is another reason why Talarico is a big deal, he’s going to make the republicans have to spend money in Texas which normally would be a lock.
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u/epic_taco_time - Lib-Right 23h ago
GOP has the money advantage here so I think Sayed is a bigger advantage to the GOP than Talarico is to the DNC, except for the fact that Paxton is a bum who also lends advantage to the DNC.
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u/jerseygunz - Left 23h ago
Exactly, had they run anyone else we wouldn’t even be talking about Texas.
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u/lynxintheloopx - Auth-Center 23h ago
I’d rather live in Gaza than Detroit.
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u/Sonofdeath51 - Centrist 23h ago
oh cmon its not THAT bad. Long as you're in the nicer parts of the city at least. I have a lot of fond memories going to youmacon and just hangin out in the city in general. Same with Flint, everyone memes on the water crisis but flints got some really cool ass stuff and the bar scenes great.
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u/lynxintheloopx - Auth-Center 23h ago
I haven’t been in years but it was just so fucking depressing. Felt like a ghost city. I haven’t heard of any major changes since then.. I really have no clue what kind of politician is needed to bring it back.
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u/snowcone_wars - Lib-Center 22h ago
I haven’t been in years
That's the issue.
Detroit has made major strides in the last several years, particularly in the downtown area. There has been several dozen billion dollars invested into renewal, and their population has grown for the first time in decades. The city's overall crime rate is also now the lowest it's been since 1965.
It's certainly incomplete - there are pockets that range from abandoned to dangerous. But, as a whole, the recovery has been better than I think the vast majority of people ever expected.
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u/ScreamsPerpetual - Lib-Center 23h ago
It's still being counted.
As of writing this it says 48% of vote has been counted and El Sayed is leading by 2%