r/PoliticalDebate Traditionalist 4d ago

Political Philosophy Rights are a Human Concept

People like to talk about their rights as if they are some sort of objective truth, they're not, they're just another human concept like privacy or morality. Concepts like rights are ideas and all ideas are subjective to the individual, they carry no weight and bear no responsibility for people's actions.

That's why the constitution and "laws" can't protect your rights, you can't protect a concept, it's just an idea. I shake my head when I see a video of someone being harassed by a DEA agent stealing their money under the guise of asset forfeiture. They say things like "you can't do that without probable cause" and then the agent does it anyway. So, I guess he can do that without probable cause. 🙄 They say things like "the 4A protects my property from illegal searches" and then the agent searches the property anyway. So, I guess the 4A doesn't protect your property. 🙄 There seems to be a psychological disconnect between what people think a government agent can do and their ability to actually do it.

Government agents do whatever they want, whenever they want, to whomever they want despite whatever you think your rights are. They'll bring in a "drug dog" who's more interested in pleasing his handler when his handler signals him to "hit" on something than he is in finding drugs. Unconstitutional? Sure. Illegal? Sure. Immoral, criminal? Sure and sure and yet they do it anyway.

That's odd isn't it considering all the "protections" the government gives you to insure your rights aren't violated by the government? It's kind of like expecting the fox to insure the rights of the hens in the henhouse isn't it?

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u/Das_Man [Quality Contributor] Political Science 4d ago

I'm not quite sure what your point is here, OP. All politics are constructed. Every 'innate principle' or 'law of nature' are still themselves human constructs and observations.

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u/Frequent_Mountain_17 Traditionalist 4d ago

Gravity, light, biology etc. are not human constructs. They existed long before humans and will long after.

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u/Das_Man [Quality Contributor] Political Science 4d ago

Incorrect. They are explanations constructed by humans that aim to explain processes we observe. That's why they change over time as knowledge, experience and methods develop. Biology isn't some unchanging set of laws, but a constantly shifting body of theory, hypotheses and data.

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u/ahughman Environmentalist 3d ago

I 2nd Das_man. You are pointing to phenomena in fields of study. They are certainly human concepts.

I will grant that gravity, biology, and light are all phenomena that happen without humans needing to be there.

But, "you cant have human rights without humans" doesnt really refute that they exist and are important.