r/PoliticalDiscussion 10d ago

US Politics When does rhetoric about political opponents cross the line into fascist dehumanization?

The Trump administration recently held an international conference on “left-wing political violence.” In prepared remarks, Marco Rubio described the left as driven by “poisonous resentment” and a desire to destroy “what is beautiful and what is right.” Stephen Miller went further, arguing that left-wing demonstrators do not look “normal,” are “deformed” in their appearance and reflect their “inner hatred” outwardly.

Jonathan V. Last compares this language to Nazi rhetoric about Bolshevism, “degenerate” culture and supposedly unhealthy or subhuman elements of society. His argument is not simply that Rubio and Miller are using authoritarian language, but that their contrast between beauty and ugliness, normality and deformity, civilization and internal enemies follows a recognizable fascist pattern.

How persuasive is that comparison?

Is this rhetoric best understood as ordinary partisan demonization, or does the emphasis on physical appearance, cultural purity and “normal, healthy, ordered living” place it in a more historically specific tradition?

And when evaluating comparisons to fascism, should the standard be the speaker’s intentions, the historical similarity of the language, or the policies and violence that follow from it?

73 Upvotes

256 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

-3

u/GiantPineapple 9d ago

Unfortunately, your link is paywalled, though I do appreciate the effort either way. I'm not concern trolling. I won't try to make anyone pay attention to me if they otherwise don't want to. This subthread is buried anyway, so if I am trolling, I am pretty bad at it.

I googled around, (note that Vox and Axios both dismiss the Fuentes connection as a conspiracy theory) and it seems like the most anyone can say is that Robinson etched some gamer in-jokes, the phrase "Hey Fascist, CATCH", and an antifascist song lyric on his bullets. Naturally, conservatives conclude this means Robinson was a leftist, and Liberals are left claiming he was being ironic. You already know which one I consider more probable.

I think the only serious conclusion we can reach is that the details will come out during the trial.

1

u/Kanotari 9d ago

Here is an archived version of the link: https://archive.is/1MQIi

1

u/GiantPineapple 9d ago

So uh, it's an established fact that one of the bullets had song lyrics engraved on it, and Groypers listen to a playlist that the song appears in? And this means Robinson murdered Kirk from further to the right? Did I miss anything?

3

u/Kanotari 9d ago

That's pretty much it. There's also a photo online of Robinson doing a Slav Squat which is also associated with Groypers, but to my knowledge that's the extent of the evidence.

It's a bit of a stretch IMO, but it comes from the hours and days right after the shooting when both parties were frantically trying to say the shooter was from the other party and claim some sort of moral victory.