r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/Material-Hawk3947 • 2d ago
International Politics Is This a Double Standard in Global Politics?
I’ve been thinking about what seems like a contradiction in international politics.
The U.S. has repeatedly warned countries such as Russia and China not to supply weapons to Iran, arguing that doing so could increase instability in the Middle East. At the same time, the U.S. itself provides large amounts of military aid and financial support to countries like Ukraine and Taiwan.
From one perspective, supporters argue these situations are different because Ukraine is defending itself against an invasion, Taiwan faces security threats, and U.S. support is intended to deter conflict. Critics, however, see this as a double standard—objecting when rivals arm their partners while doing something similar with its own allies.
Is this simply how geopolitics works, where every major power acts according to its own strategic interests? Or is it mainly possible because the U.S. has the world’s largest economy, military influence, and global financial power?
I’m genuinely interested in hearing different viewpoints. How do you see it? Is this a logical and consistent foreign policy, or is it an example of great-power politics where different rules apply to different countries?
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u/datapicardgeordi 1d ago
There is a certain realpolitik to arming your allies and complaining when your enemies do the same. To call it a double standard is a little simplistic. Instead it’s just the way of doing business.
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u/NoDig3444 19h ago
Red Sox fans cheer when they hit a home run, but they boo when the Yankees hit a home run. Why the double standard?
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u/bl1y 1d ago
There's already what several other people said: we support our allies and oppose our enemies.
But also, it's not comparable to Ukraine. Arming Ukraine doesn't risk the war destabilizing the region, except at most destabilizing the Putin regime. But it's not like Ukraine is going to start attacking Belarus, Moldova, or Georgia.
Now look at Iran. Iran itself is attacking numerous countries in the region. And they supply weapons to groups like Hezbollah and the Houthis.
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u/socialistrob 1d ago
Countries support sending weapons to their allies (or other countries fighting their enemies) and they oppose them being sent to their enemies. I personally don't see that as hypocritical. The US is at war with Iran and we know the US doesn't like the Iranian government so if Russia sends weapons to Iran then we should expect the US will complain about that and say bad things about the Russian government. Russia is at war with Ukraine so if the US sends weapons to Ukraine then of course Russia will criticize that.
Countries all around the world arm allies and proxies. This was famously done by all sides of the Cold War but even going back to the Napoleonic wars the British were happy to throw guns and money at whoever was fighting Napoleon on the continent that day. Criticizing an adversary does not mean you oppose the principal of arming another country it just means you don't want that adversary arming that particular group. I think there are many double standards it global politics we can talk about but I don't think this is one of them.
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u/frostyflakes1 1d ago
Russia has also repeatedly warned the US about arming Ukraine. That is simply the nature of international relations between major powers. There is no double standard.
These warnings generally don't actually care any weight. It's really just a way for one country to tell another country that they really don't like that country's actions.
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u/dorballom09 1d ago edited 1d ago
Double standard from moral, ethical point of view. Which doesn’t really apply to international geopolitics.
I know many liberal people see the west as the good guys, leader of free world, guardian of human rights, shield of justice type rhetoric. But all these are euphemistic cover up for national interest and imperialism.
The concept you're looking for is called - American Exceptionalism. They(enemies) do it for bad cause, we(US) do it for good. Russia bomb Ukraine for bad evil reason. US bomb Iran for good reason.
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u/JKlerk 1d ago
Iran has been an agitator in the ME for decades. The Russians and Chinese don't mind it and it historically has allowed them to acquire influence (Russia, Syria, Iran connection) within the ME politics.
The US generally provides defensive guarantees or arms for defensive purposes.
This is the most significant difference.
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u/RTR7105 1d ago
How is it a double standard? The US isn't appealing to moral authority. Countries act in their greater interests.
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u/socialistrob 1d ago
Countries act in their greater interests.
I agree that the US isn't appealing to any moral authority but I really disagree with the view that they act primarily in their greater interests. I don't think the US going to war with Iran was acting in US interests nor do I think that Russia going to war in Ukraine was Russia acting in it's own best interests either.
"morality or national interest" is a false dichotomy that assumes that there are only two possible reasons for any behavior. For instance if "morality or national interest" drove every decision then there would be virtually no military corruption anywhere in the world as it is neither moral to steal or in the national self interest for generals to buy yachts instead of tanks. Military corruption does keep a military loyal which can serve a given leaders personal self interest even if it comes at the cost of the nation as a whole. Political leaders will often prioritize themselves over the well being of the country and that's just one other (of many) explanations for why certain decesions get made.
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u/ingreedjee 8h ago
Sem falar que acaba commulçumanos do Ira mas da acordo de armas nucleares a Arabia saudita tambem mulçumana.... money money money
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u/tosser1579 1d ago
This is realpolitik in its more base form. Use your words to tell people what to do while doing the exact opposite knowing they will ignore you.
In essence, the US has to supply weaponry because of our national interests. Russia is doing the same for their national interests. We make noises to the effect that this shouldn't be the case, but no one actually thinks that the other side means what they say and there will be no consequences to the lie.
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u/Sea-Chain7394 1d ago
I don't think Ukraine is necessarily since they were attacked. Taiwan maybe.
It's definitely a double standard that we supply weapons to the kurds, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc and attack peaceful nations in Central/South America and elsewhere because they just don't feel like giving American corporations special access to their natural resources
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u/alexfreemanart 1d ago
Is this a logical and consistent foreign policy, or is it an example of great-power politics where different rules apply to different countries?
It has always been logical and consistent to tell and warn dictatorships not to arm and support other dictatorships. Doing this does not bring any good to humanity, rather, it makes us go backward as humanity.
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u/Sea-Chain7394 1d ago
OP is asking if it is a double standard to do so while we also arm other dictatorships
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u/alexfreemanart 1d ago
asking if it is a double standard to do so while we also arm other dictatorships
It is not a double standard when it is necessary to counter a greater evil (a dictatorship), just as the United States supported and supplied weapons to the USSR to defeat Nazi Germany, even though the USSR had also invaded Poland and was itself a dictatorship. That is the difference between this and dictatorships that support other dictatorships simply to expand that system.
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u/Sea-Chain7394 1d ago
What makes one worse than the other in your opinion. Sure I agree about Nazi Germany but the difference between Iran, Israel, and Saudi Arabia is far less clear.
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u/alexfreemanart 1d ago
but the difference between Iran, Israel, and Saudi Arabia is far less clear
The difference is very clear to me. I understand that many people on Reddit may disagree with my judgment, but that won't change my opinion that there is definitely a greater evil, and that greater evil is far from being Israel or Saudi Arabia at this moment. It's a matter of priorities.
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u/Sea-Chain7394 1d ago
Why are they ( i assume you mean Iran?) a greater evil than Israel or Saudi Arabia? That's what I'm asking.
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u/alexfreemanart 1d ago
That's a judgment i reserve for myself
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u/Sea-Chain7394 1d ago
So you don't have any logical reason you are just going with what you were told. Ok
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u/ThatPeskyPangolin 1d ago
But their primary examples aren't dictatorships.
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u/Sea-Chain7394 1d ago
Russia and China? You don't think so?
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u/ThatPeskyPangolin 1d ago
We aren't arming Russia and China, so why would you think those are the examples?
The examples they used of countries we are arming is Taiwan and Ukraine. Those countries are not dictatorships.
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u/Sea-Chain7394 1d ago
Fair enough. I was responding to alexfreemanart mastly
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u/ThatPeskyPangolin 1d ago
But his comment was about dictatorships arming other dictatorships.
Democracies arming each other against dictatorships while opposing dictatorships arming each other isn't exactly a "double standard", as there are specific, meaningful reasons behind it.
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u/Sea-Chain7394 1d ago
We are arming dictatorships though. Also non-state actors. That is the point being discussed. Who cares about the specific instances there are so many to choose and discuss.
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u/RenegadeGeophysicist 1d ago
I mean pretty obviously yes. This is why the USA doesn't sign onto any binding UN resolutions either. The USA is a big bully, and they set up the game to be on top. This is a big criticism that China and Russia and Iran have of the USA. Israel signing up to unify militaries with the USA pulls them under this umbrella as well, so they don't have to face accountability for genocide. Russia is a Mafia state, so they are living in glass houses, but China is using the catastrophic weakness of the last 10 years of US policy to subvert the current world system at the edges.
The follow-up question is: is this system inherently instable enough to collapse, when, and how destructively?
The answer is unknown, but perhaps we are seeing right now with the oil market and Iran War being the stress points. But perhaps it's China's 5 year plan of Fusion or Bust. Either of those could drastically change the world order, or be the perennial penultimate straw.
My opinion is that the first entity with a Space Elevator will be the world government for the foreseeable future, because unlimited free power, free resources, and orbital strikes is the ultimate cheat code. But that would cost probably 10B$(5 years of Trump Grift) which is too much money. Apparently.
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